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Title: Vintage Fender BF Princeton Reverb vibrato speed issue
Post by: bohema79 on January 29, 2014, 06:29:24 pm
Hi guys,
I have a 1966 Fender Princeton Reverb and seem to have an issue with the vibrato speed range.
Nothing seems to happen until around 4 on the knob.
From 1-4 the speed is that standard slow one.
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Title: Re: Vintage Fender BF Princeton Reverb vibrato speed issue
Post by: eleventeen on January 29, 2014, 06:51:16 pm
Quite possibly leaky/borderline caps in the phase-shift oscillator. That would be my guess. A phase shift oscillator does not start robustly. If you have the vibrato pedal, you can sort of test this by turning the vibrato off and on and just see how quickly it starts, even at the knob rotation that does work. Or you can do this with a shorting RCA plug in the footswitch jack. I suppose it could also be a very weak tube. You could also test this by swapping a different 12AX7 in the trem tube (V1) oscillator socket and see if acts differently.

Title: Re: Vintage Fender BF Princeton Reverb vibrato speed issue
Post by: sluckey on January 29, 2014, 07:04:25 pm
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Nothing seems to happen until around 4 on the knob.
From 1-4 the speed is that standard slow one.
What does that mean??? Are you saying you have no tremolo with the speed set below 4? Or you have tremolo at some slow speed but it doesn't change speed until about 4 on the dial? Please clarify.
Title: Re: Vintage Fender BF Princeton Reverb vibrato speed issue
Post by: Toxophilite on January 29, 2014, 10:03:52 pm
As he's talking about the speed control I believe he means the latter
He has the slowest tremelo speed up till 4 on his speed pot and then it starts increasing
Or so I understand it
It could be a dirty or worn pot too
Have you tried some cleaner in the pot?
My Father says always start with the simple things first...strangely I was his last child :l2:
Title: Re: Vintage Fender BF Princeton Reverb vibrato speed issue
Post by: bohema79 on January 30, 2014, 01:31:45 am
Hi Guys,
Thanks for the reply.
Yes, I mean that up until 4 on the dial I have the slowest speed of the vibrato, after 4 i it seems to be working fine.

The tube is fine (Ive tested a few) and the pot is cleaned.

Title: Re: Vintage Fender BF Princeton Reverb vibrato speed issue
Post by: stratele52 on January 30, 2014, 03:36:24 am
You may need to replace 3 capacitors or tremolo circuit . Two 0.01 mfd and one 0.02 mfd . These are cheap and don't waist time to find wich one is defect , replace them all.
Title: Re: Vintage Fender BF Princeton Reverb vibrato speed issue
Post by: sluckey on January 30, 2014, 07:49:00 am
Change the pot.
Title: Re: Vintage Fender BF Princeton Reverb vibrato speed issue
Post by: bohema79 on January 30, 2014, 12:25:58 pm
Hi.
Thank you I will replace them.
Can someone tell me what for are responsible the large "blob" .1 and the other ceramic .02 capacitors?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Vintage Fender BF Princeton Reverb vibrato speed issue
Post by: Phil_Tre on January 30, 2014, 03:25:19 pm
I sounds like you have an audio log pot instead of a linear one...

Philippe
Title: Re: Vintage Fender BF Princeton Reverb vibrato speed issue
Post by: bohema79 on January 30, 2014, 03:45:09 pm
Do you realy think thay might have made the mistake at the factory back in 1966?
The pot is stock vintage. Did they put any markings on pots to confirm that?
Title: Re: Vintage Fender BF Princeton Reverb vibrato speed issue
Post by: sluckey on January 30, 2014, 04:08:28 pm
The speed pot should have a reverse audio taper. It's not a linear pot.
Title: Re: Vintage Fender BF Princeton Reverb vibrato speed issue
Post by: Phil_Tre on January 30, 2014, 04:21:18 pm
The speed pot should have a reverse audio taper. It's not a linear pot.

my bad, I was thinking intensity pot...
Title: Re: Vintage Fender BF Princeton Reverb vibrato speed issue
Post by: Toxophilite on January 31, 2014, 01:16:07 am
Pots are relatively cheap and easy to change
I'd 2nd Sluckey and suggest you swap it out
You can always put back the stock one if it doesn't make a difference if you're at all keen on stock parts
The caps sound like a relatively easy thing to try too.

Is it an abrupt change to a faster speed at 4? (missing speeds 1-4)
Or does it start speeding up in the normal gradual fashion past 4 ?
Title: Re: Vintage Fender BF Princeton Reverb vibrato speed issue
Post by: bohema79 on January 31, 2014, 06:57:22 pm
I will try a new pot.
Im missing speed from 1-4, from then it speeds up normaly.
Thanks