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Amp Stuff => Tube Amp Building - Tweaks - Repairs => Topic started by: Heavenamps on June 16, 2018, 08:28:59 pm

Title: Preamp not drawing current
Post by: Heavenamps on June 16, 2018, 08:28:59 pm
I built a little single ended 5F1 circuit and noticed that the plate voltage on the second stage of the preamp was 325V. After probing around a bit I noticed there was only about a 5v drop across the 100k plate resistor. I couldn't spot any short anywhere which leads me to believe that the second stage of the preamp tube isn't drawing the current it needs. I've tried multiple tubes with the same result. I've checked my connections and everything looks ok. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Preamp not drawing current
Post by: shooter on June 16, 2018, 08:43:32 pm
with power off and V1 out;
ohm pin 3 and 8 (tube side) to chassis
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ohm 2 and 7 to chassis (tube side), (Volume fully CW)
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Title: Re: Preamp not drawing current
Post by: Heavenamps on June 16, 2018, 08:57:38 pm
3 and 8 both show 1.5k each, and pin 2 shows 1Meg and pin 7shows an open circuit no matter where the volume and tone knobs are. I should've mentioned that I added a tone knob.
Title: Re: Preamp not drawing current
Post by: shooter on June 16, 2018, 09:14:45 pm
this is the schematic I'm looking at;

try this, power OFF, caps discharged AND gator  clipped + to Ground;
measure pin 1 and 6 to ground (tubeside)

DON'T forget to un-ground the caps before power-up !!!!!!
Title: Re: Preamp not drawing current
Post by: Heavenamps on June 16, 2018, 10:34:10 pm
Yes that is a more accurate schematic. Pin 1 measures ~134k and pin 6 measures ~138k
Title: Re: Preamp not drawing current
Post by: sluckey on June 16, 2018, 10:43:04 pm
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pin 2 shows 1Meg and pin 7shows an open
Pin 2 should measure about 33K with nothing plugged into the input jacks ***IF*** the jacks are wired like the schematic. Pin 7 should measure zero ohms with volume on zero or 1meg with volume at max. Check the ground on the volume pot.
Title: Re: Preamp not drawing current
Post by: Heavenamps on June 16, 2018, 10:55:33 pm
So I plugged everything in again and measured it, and for whatever reason it measured normal. I plugged in a guitar to try it out and it made kind of a loud crackly chirp and the output got quieter. I measured the plate voltage again and it's back up to 325V
Title: Re: Preamp not drawing current
Post by: sluckey on June 16, 2018, 11:44:19 pm
The second preamp triode cannot work properly as long as pin 7 remains open. Fix that and the plate voltage will probably become normal.
Title: Re: Preamp not drawing current
Post by: Heavenamps on June 17, 2018, 12:20:19 am
Thanks both of you for your wisdom! Turns out I mixed up my tone and volume pots and wired them backwards. I straitened that out, and the voltage does now indeed appear to be normal. Thank you again!