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Amp Stuff => Misc Schematics and Layouts => Topic started by: purpletele on December 12, 2018, 07:53:40 pm

Title: Friedman Smallbox 50 Layout
Post by: purpletele on December 12, 2018, 07:53:40 pm
I came across a layout diagram for a Friedman Smallbox 50.  I have been gassing for one of these amps and started looking for schematic and layout info just for fun.

Maybe someone can design a turret board.  Still searching for a schematic.
Title: Re: Friedman Smallbox 50 Layout
Post by: shooter on December 12, 2018, 08:03:08 pm
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Maybe someone can

I got this far  :icon_biggrin:

http://el34world.com/Forum/index.php?topic=23937.0

Title: Re: Friedman Smallbox 50 Layout
Post by: purpletele on December 13, 2018, 01:42:13 pm
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Maybe someone can

I got this far  :icon_biggrin:

http://el34world.com/Forum/index.php?topic=23937.0

I couldn't get into the Tube-Town Forum, still trying

Small box 50 Schematic

http://www.tube-town.de/ttforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21032.0;attach=49804;image (http://www.tube-town.de/ttforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21032.0;attach=49804;image)
Title: Re: Friedman Smallbox 50 Layout
Post by: Ledzepp007 on January 17, 2019, 09:05:50 am
For most of us, we’d have to tap the B+ to get the ~10-15VAC needed for the DC heaters.
Title: Re: Friedman Smallbox 50 Layout
Post by: sluckey on January 17, 2019, 09:12:05 am
For most of us, we’d have to tap the B+ to get the ~10-15VAC needed for the DC heaters.
How would you do that?
Title: Re: Friedman Smallbox 50 Layout
Post by: Ledzepp007 on January 17, 2019, 10:54:00 am
For most of us, we’d have to tap the B+ to get the ~10-15VAC needed for the DC heaters.
How would you do that?

Great question. I suppose in theory one would treat it like a second bias supply: use a sufficient dropping resistor to get the VAC to an acceptable range, rectify it, smooth it, and then regulate it to 12VDC. The max VDC for that regulator is 35, so the rectified, smoothed voltage would need to probably be between 15 and 25 VDC.

I suppose one could use the 6.3VAC tap and a voltage doubler, but I’m not sure you’d be able to handle the current of three 12AX7 filaments.
Title: Re: Friedman Smallbox 50 Layout
Post by: sluckey on January 17, 2019, 11:07:00 am
Each 12AX7 will want 150mA to light up properly. I doubt you'll be able to get that kind of current from a typical high voltage winding after going through a resistor sufficient to drop the voltage to 12V.
Title: Re: Friedman Smallbox 50 Layout
Post by: Ledzepp007 on January 17, 2019, 11:47:48 am
So one would either need to do a custom transformer, have a separate filament transformer, or use the voltage doubling technique (with a transformer that has a sufficiently high current rating for the heaters)?
Title: Re: Friedman Smallbox 50 Layout
Post by: sluckey on January 17, 2019, 12:06:26 pm
All those methods are viable options. Just rectifying/filtering a 6.3VAC source is fine too. Just use a single low resistance/high wattage resistor to drop the voltage to 6VDC for the tubes. No need for a regulator since the load current is constant.