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Title: 12v heater curcuit with heater elevation and 5v relays?
Post by: Captain chunkulus on January 06, 2020, 09:29:04 pm
So I have a 24v center tapped secondary and I wanted to try to knock it down to 12v then 5v and also elevate the heaters. Here's what I was thinking.
Title: Re: 12v heater curcuit with heater elevation and 5v relays?
Post by: Captain chunkulus on January 06, 2020, 09:54:13 pm
Here's a jpeg.
Title: Re: 12v heater curcuit with heater elevation and 5v relays?
Post by: sluckey on January 06, 2020, 10:01:17 pm
I'm thinking sparks! You have the +12 and +5 grounds connected to the elevated circuit ground. Maybe even smoke!
Title: Re: 12v heater curcuit with heater elevation and 5v relays?
Post by: Captain chunkulus on January 06, 2020, 10:18:44 pm
I'm thinking sparks! You have the +12 and +5 grounds connected to the elevated circuit ground. Maybe even smoke!


Right, lol.  That's why I'm here. I had thought to maybe float the grounds so that they make ground just though the elevation ground like this?
Title: Re: 12v heater curcuit with heater elevation and 5v relays?
Post by: PRR on January 07, 2020, 12:35:55 pm
You will want a capacitor after the LV rectifier.

If you are running DC on the heaters there is no hum-advantage from Elevation.

If you need elevation for some high-cathode stages, then the relay circuit will be elevated which may be awkward.

K.I.S.S.
Title: Re: 12v heater curcuit with heater elevation and 5v relays?
Post by: Captain chunkulus on January 07, 2020, 01:59:51 pm
You will want a capacitor after the LV rectifier.

If you are running DC on the heaters there is no hum-advantage from Elevation.

If you need elevation for some high-cathode stages, then the relay circuit will be elevated which may be awkward.

K.I.S.S.


Sorry, I was In a hurry last night to get it posted. There is a 10,000 uf cap after the diodes. Thus is a 5 stage preamp with 3 stages and then a cathode  follower hence the elevation. So, do you think the way I have it wired will work okay?
Title: Re: 12v heater curcuit with heater elevation and 5v relays?
Post by: shooter on January 07, 2020, 02:13:32 pm
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If you are running DC on the heaters there is no hum-advantage from Elevation.

I would NOT elevate until you "prove" it's required.
since you're at 12vdc for filaments, test, add 10000uf, retest 

At best you have multiple floating points for future techs to light up on, at worst you have smoldering pieces.
Title: Re: 12v heater curcuit with heater elevation and 5v relays?
Post by: Captain chunkulus on January 07, 2020, 02:31:04 pm
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If you are running DC on the heaters there is no hum-advantage from Elevation.

I would NOT elevate until you "prove" it's required.
since you're at 12vdc for filaments, test, add 10000uf, retest 

At best you have multiple floating points for future techs to light up on, at worst you have smoldering pieces.

Sorry then, maybe just ground the center tap and don't use the two 100 ohm resisters at all and don't use elevation until  I see what my voltages look like for the cathode follower.
Title: Re: 12v heater curcuit with heater elevation and 5v relays?
Post by: PRR on January 07, 2020, 10:55:39 pm
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Title: Re: 12v heater curcuit with heater elevation and 5v relays?
Post by: Captain chunkulus on January 07, 2020, 11:08:31 pm
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So no need for the 100ohm Center tap?
Title: Re: 12v heater curcuit with heater elevation and 5v relays?
Post by: Willabe on January 09, 2020, 08:28:25 am
....... and then a cathode  follower hence the elevation.

Merlin has a fix for the CF problem.

http://www.valvewizard.co.uk/dccf.html (http://www.valvewizard.co.uk/dccf.html)

I like using dc stand off voltage (heater elevation) of 70 to 80dcv with a humdinger pot. Worked great on my builds. I posted this dcv in another thread way back and Ed C. did a test with the dc stand off and it didn't knock out the hum until he got it to 70 to 80dcv.   :icon_biggrin:

I take the dcv from the very last/1st preamp tube, because the dcv is the best filtered there and less dcv to drop and waste PT heater current. And 2 less heater wires to deal with.