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Title: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 11, 2020, 02:12:34 pm

As you know in Italy, because of the covid-19, we are all locked up at home the more time as we can, so, please, I apologize if sometimes I'll maybe do some too much intervention in the threads or maybe I'll open someone just to ask a few questions not too much. ... smart


You know how it is, after a while you want to communicate with the outside world and you tend to take advantage, perhaps a little too much, of the availability of others


Sorry and thank you all


Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 11, 2020, 02:40:55 pm
Franco, you have along way to go to beat me on  :think1: comments  :laugh:

Grab your Italian flag, walk down the street waving it proudly, when the mask men with guns ask, tell them "I'm cleaning the air " :icon_biggrin:
old folk can do that and get away with it!!
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 11, 2020, 02:44:28 pm
Ciao Shooter :smiley:


Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: Ritchie200 on March 11, 2020, 08:03:53 pm

Franco,


Are you kidding?!?!  Your experience and comments are always welcome and much appreciated.  I always enjoy your input. 


What you do is pretty much opposite of......what I do!  :icon_biggrin:


Please do what you can to take care of yourself and family.


essere al sicuro e prendersi cura!


Jim
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 12, 2020, 07:34:52 am
Ciao Ritchie :smiley:

Franco

Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: EL34 on March 12, 2020, 09:48:37 am

As you know in Italy, because of the covid-19, we are all locked up at home the more time as we can, so, please, I apologize if sometimes I'll maybe do some too much intervention in the threads or maybe I'll open someone just to ask a few questions not too much. ... smart
You know how it is, after a while you want to communicate with the outside world and you tend to take advantage, perhaps a little too much, of the availability of others
Sorry and thank you all
Franco

Keep us posted of how things are going there in Italy
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 12, 2020, 12:47:27 pm
Ciao Doug :smiley:

At the moment we are all invited to stay the house as much as possible, starting from yesterday the non-essential activities have closed, such as hairdressers, beauticians, clothing stores, restaurants, pastry shops etc.

Grocery stores, pharmacies, hardware stores, electronics stores and other stores remain open

My city, Treviso, is one of those that report a fairly high number of victims

In a few days was expected a peak in the increase in cases of infection and for this reason they chose to close (for now for a couple of weeks) the non-essential activities, in order to avoid contact with the infected

Unfortunately, not everyone understands that this is a provision for the public good and that, after all, our grandparents and fathers were asked to go into the trenches to fight, to us was asked only to stay at home on the sofa .....

At my house, luckily, at least until now, we are fine

Franco


Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: DummyLoad on March 12, 2020, 01:20:05 pm
Franco, good to read that you and your family are ok. So sad to read about the sheer number casualties in your country, and that those are older persons and those with immune deficiencies.


Love reading your posts. More please!   :icon_biggrin:


Regards,


--Pete
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 12, 2020, 01:24:54 pm
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pastry shops
for the past 10yrs I go to a book-store that serves coffee n pastries.  The Baristas ALL know me, and how I like my coffee, 2 Espresso shots in a proper ceramic Espresso cup that has been heated up.  From headquarters, they quarantined MY CUP :cussing: :BangHead: :think1:  Not cash.  So I still go every morning to make sure my cup is safe, say hello to the regulars and go home to make my own.  Saved ~$50 US so far :l2:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 12, 2020, 02:40:04 pm
Ciao Pete :smiley:

Unfortunately not only old persons with other pathologies, 20-22% was sane people

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shooter  :thumbsup: Also I like ceramic cup for espresso coffe

to be precise a long espresso (this estract a more caffeine from seeds) in a large cup (the cup that here we use predominantly for cappuccino)

Espresso Cup
(https://i.imgur.com/vhnBsPs.jpg)

Cappuccino Cup
(https://i.imgur.com/VOIxQuh.jpg)

Franco




Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 12, 2020, 03:32:29 pm
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Also I like ceramic cup for espresso coffe
:laugh:
My 1st experience was in Your country, Napoli, small 10 seat cafe'.  I was hooked, American coffee is  :cussing:
 :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 12, 2020, 04:27:31 pm
I was born and live in the north but I spent a few months in the military in naples

at the time, at the bar, if you asked for a coffee they brought it already sweetened

then you asked for it bitter and you found the same 1 cm of sugar on the bottom

if you told to the waiter you asked for it bitter

he replied that he hadn't turned it around (meaning he hadn't mixed it with a spoon)

everywere was so

Naples is a nice place but with its habits  :l2: :l2:


Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 12, 2020, 05:02:45 pm
 :laugh:
my waitress was the daughter, about 13ish, I ordered "double' espresso, no sucrose, no leache(sp - milk)" (I was piecing words together from my translation book  :w2: )
her eye's got real big n she's yelling to her mom.  I didn't understand much but I think the jest was "the man's crazy mom, he doesn't want sugar!" 
I got it hot, and bitter  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 12, 2020, 05:48:53 pm
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: Ritchie200 on March 12, 2020, 09:03:05 pm
My fun experience in Italy was a business trip in the north. We stayed at a family owned hotel. The food was made by “mom” and was out of this world good!!!  The guy I was traveling with and the owner of the hotel insisted that we have grappa after our meal “to settle your stomach”. The bottle got left on the table. I don’t remember anything else that night....


Jim
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: Ritchie200 on March 12, 2020, 10:51:26 pm

Franco, I remember now, the hotel was in Cisano Bergamasco.  We were visiting a company in Carvico. 


To add on to the story... 
The hotel owner had a daughter who was mid to late 20's and she worked in the restaurant.  She looked like a 25 year old Sophia Loren - just absolutely stunning.  The guy I was traveling with said that if she showed the least bit of interest in him he was not going home and to tell his wife she could have everything - and this was BEFORE the grappa.  I told him the same goes for me.  She ignored us both.... 


Jim
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 13, 2020, 05:00:55 am
Ciao Jim  :smiley:   :thumbsup:

--

Today's update

unfortunately, on my town, this last 24 hours there were 9 death more

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I had a very little walk with the dog, only few people around

near my house there is a detergent shop which in theory (according to the prescriptions) should be open but is actually closed

in front of the pharmacy a couple of people waiting to enter (they let them in one at a time)

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 13, 2020, 04:26:08 pm
here in my world, there are 2 worlds, the country folk are going about it with humor, the beerbait n gas is having a run on Corona beer   :laugh:
the city is in full meltdown.
I ventured to the grocery to get a flower n cake for my wife, she turned 65 and is pulling her 3rd 12 at the hospital, where gallows humor rains supreme (you gotta work there to understand:)
the grocery ppl were 20 deep, everybody had toilet paper, nobody had bullets  :think1: (yes, you can by bullets AND guns at the grocery  :icon_biggrin: )
I was giddy from the beerbaitngas so I started laughing at the toilet paper thing so hard I coughed, EVERYBODY within 50 feet scattered  :think1:
back home kids were playing in the march Sun, folks out working on yards n trucks.  Neighbors sighting in the guns for Turkey hunting, geese calls could be heard, normal life in the country  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 13, 2020, 05:31:12 pm
Hi Shooter

I knew you were a painter but not a poet, you always pleasantly surprise me

Quote
...... back home kids were playing in the march Sun, folks out working on yards n trucks.  Neighbors sighting in the guns for Turkey hunting, geese calls could be heard, normal life in the countr

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 13, 2020, 05:35:39 pm
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not a poet
thanks friend
I really never understood poetry, my English is poor for a native  :laugh:
I do like words though and the "pictures" they paint, my problem, I only have 3 colors and 10 words :icon_biggrin:

enjoy life with all the curves it throws
dave
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on March 13, 2020, 07:51:17 pm
I guess I need more ammo. Tuesday we came back from shopping, and had to stop for turkeys in the road. First about 9. One by one. Then another chain of about 6. We crept ahead, but saw another dozen birds in the yard that the first 15 came out of.
(https://www.maine.gov/dacf/php/gotpests/othercritters/images/turkey/turkeys-big.jpg)

We killed ALL the wild turkey by 1900, for better farming. Then farming went bad, someone thought hunting could be good business, and a small imported flock was let loose. Even with pretty liberal limits on hunting, they are really getting to be a nuisance. I'm allowed to take 2 starting May; 3 more (bearded) in Fall. It doesn't seem sporting to pot birds crossing the road, and the gun and permit cost is more than a few pre-plucked birds in the store.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2f/3f/7b/2f3f7b3511da0bfaf84d5dbdeeddfb6c.jpg)

Tuesday we had NO -19 in Maine. Thursday the first confirmed case (came from outside Maine, self-quarantined). The numbers in NYC and Boston assure we will get cases. It may be slow to come up from Portland; Maine gets very thin where I-95 shrinks from 13 full lanes to 2 empty lanes. However the gas and beer trucks come north every day.

Today, the universities and colleges are ending most on-campus activities, students must leave the dorms, teaching on-line. All organized sports games are or will be cancelled. I expect supermarkets and pharmacies to be open. We will see what restaurants do. On Tuesday one boasted they had sanitizer on every table. I expect some will close for a while. Pharmacies have long had a mark to keep the queue back from the counter (for customer privacy), I suspect now they will ask the queue to stay spaced-out, maybe take-a-number and wait to be called.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: DummyLoad on March 13, 2020, 09:58:38 pm
today we were sent home. the president of the university had to self quarantine since a family member tested positive for COVID-19. most of us are now all on 2-weeks leave, however, we are expected to work from home if our workload can be performed remote. today i helped dial in the last of a new DWDM fiber transport system in another city. now i will be bored to tears for two weeks unless i start tormenting folks electronically.

 :m9


regards and may you and yours skirt around this nightmare.


--pete
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 14, 2020, 09:23:07 am
Ciao PRR & Peter :smiley:

As I read restrictions to contain the infection are becoming similar to what we have here

however better at home on the sofa than in a hospital bed, right ?

--

On my town we have a bad record, on other places there is a 3.4% of death, here we have a 7.5%

that is because the infection starten on the local hospital at the geriatric ward

where many elderly people with serious pathologies where hospitalized

--

on 2019, due to subsequent health problems, I have been in bed or at home for about 4 months

maybe this had been a training to get used to being indoors  :icon_biggrin:

Franco

Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: tubenit on March 14, 2020, 09:45:07 am
Franco,

It is always great to have you on the forum!  And you bring excellent contributions to the amp building discussions, so please continue.

THANKS for sharing that you and your family are well AND the current situation there in Italy. We benefit from hearing that information & it allows us to express our respect and best wishes to you and your family.

Best regards and prayers,  Jeff
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 14, 2020, 09:57:04 am
Ciao Jeff :smiley:


Thanks for prayers, we will reciprocate


Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 14, 2020, 10:43:51 am
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I expect supermarkets and pharmacies to be open.
Here I was at both and it was a melt-down at both.
I've spent 32 years inside Hospitals so I take a different view from the masses, I went to my LEAGEL weed store for the 1st time!, have an amp build and yard sticks, a garage roof repair, NO tv, NO social %&^(&)*_)+)+*^*#, and the radio is set for old country  :laugh:

ah, the Turkey population has exploded here in the last 10 years, the young kids are only taking it up about 10% from the 'ol folks.  I quit in my teens, no problems with hunting if I need to, just don't need to, yet  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: jjasilli on March 14, 2020, 01:49:21 pm
Franco,


We expect you to publish a complete inventory on your stash of tubes trannies! Maybe some unique build ideas.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 14, 2020, 02:31:30 pm
Ciao Shooter & Jjasilli :smiley:

My father is now 96 years old, I told him about your Turkey "problem" you have

his eyes lit up, he was a real hunting passionate  :icon_biggrin:

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Yes, it will be a good idea to make order on my laboratory, on 2018/2019 it was full of things used to restore my appartment and it is still cluttered

when it is agibile if I'm there the hours go by without my noticing

it may be that if I rearrange the space and eliminate what is not needed

I can move more easily in there and I'll be able to make the list of the tubes that I have  :smiley:

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: jjasilli on March 14, 2020, 02:58:19 pm
Am looking forward to turkey season in NY & PA.  Somehow, it's not as easy to spot birds once the hunting season begins!
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: chocopower on March 14, 2020, 03:46:33 pm
Hi there.


We are going into home quarentine too, here in Spain.
The whole country.


Finally i gonna have time to finish a lot of tube amp projects.....

Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 14, 2020, 03:58:06 pm
Jjasilli I belive you  :icon_biggrin:

Ciao Chocopower  :smiley:

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Finally i gonna have time to finish a lot of tube amp projects.....

That is a good idea

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 14, 2020, 04:16:55 pm
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Somehow, it's not as easy
:laugh:
I like tracking n stalking.  Turkey IS a dumb animal, til it competes with a human, then the roles are reversed  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 14, 2020, 04:45:55 pm


 :l2: :l2: :l2:

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: DummyLoad on March 15, 2020, 01:18:07 am
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Somehow, it's not as easy
:laugh:
I like tracking n stalking.  Turkey IS a dumb animal, til it competes with a human, then the roles are reversed  :icon_biggrin:


reference to an old adage "you are what you eat".

seems like a lot folks here like turkey...  :icon_biggrin:   

--pete
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: jjasilli on March 15, 2020, 08:13:08 am
That's why I like to eat jerky!
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 15, 2020, 08:27:49 am
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That's why I like to eat jerky!
:laugh:
to many years playing with leather bound books?  :laugh:

The BBG buys from a local jerky maker, we put the strips in and old gallon pickle jar.

 nearly every day some 20yr old would recount the 1st time gramps bought a chew for 'em.  Hell I paid about $20 a month n gave it to the young'ins that didn't have cool old folk in there life! one 5ish kid would ONLY take it if it still had the hole from hanging it to cure  :think1:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 15, 2020, 10:21:10 am
Today's update

Yesterday, in my city, for the Covid-19, three other people were missing (two of which without health problems) which makes a total of 32 (only in Treviso)

To date, the number of infections in the city amounts to 392 (54 more only on the last day)

In the province there are 94 people hospitalized, of these 70 in Treviso, of these 70, 14 are in intensive care (five more than the day before)

Good news, the use of the drug Tocilizumab (an antirheumatic that does NOT cure Covid-19 but helps to reverse the problems that the virus causes to the lungs and therefore to avoid intensive care) seems to give good results in just 24 hours on 50 % of patients on whom it is used

The company that produces it will provide it free of charge for the eventual therapy of people with severe symptoms

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on March 15, 2020, 01:51:12 pm
In other news from Italy--- people go on their balcony to sing and play.

"As Italy entered its fourth day of a nationwide lockdown, Italy residents took to their balconies on Friday evening to sing the national anthem in a 'flash mob' to raise morale amid the coronavirus outbreak.
"The national anthem 'Fratelli d'Italia' was blared out of speakers from Turin to Naples and families sang along cheering from their balconies, clanging together saucepans, for a moment of respite from a tough week under strict COVID-19 measures.
"
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: Williamblake on March 15, 2020, 03:15:09 pm
Stay healthy don't run out of solder!
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 15, 2020, 03:37:31 pm
Ciao PRR :smiley:

That is true

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Ciao Williamblake :smiley:

--

Franco


Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: tubenit on March 16, 2020, 11:41:34 am
Franco,

Thanks for the continued updates and information!  It is appreciated. 

Glad you remain well.

With respect and prayers, Jeff
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: TIMBO on March 16, 2020, 01:57:17 pm
Hey Franco, Keep safe mate :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 16, 2020, 03:28:23 pm
Ciao Jeff & Tim  :smiley:

I hope also you are fine

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on March 17, 2020, 03:03:21 pm
{quote}Two budding cellists serenade an elderly neighbor — and a locked-down world
Meagan Flynn
MSN link (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/two-budding-cellists-9-and-6-serenade-an-elderly-neighbor-%E2%80%94-and-a-locked-down-world/ar-BB11jsuN?li=AAggFp4)
(https://el34world.com/Forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=25677.0;attach=82101;image)

The operatic voices and accordions played from the balconies of quarantined Italians into the otherwise silent neighborhoods reverberated this week in Columbus, Ohio, where Rebecca Tien and her two young children were among the millions listening.

In a family of musicians, both kids were cello players. They didn’t have a balcony but they and their neighbors had a porch. And Tien, inspired by the Italian serenades, had an idea.

She called her next-door neighbor, Helena Schlam. The 78-year-old lived alone. She was self-quarantining amid the coronavirus pandemic and had not left her home in five days. “I said, ‘Would you like the kids to come play [a concert] on your porch?’ ” Tien recalled in an interview with The Washington Post. “ ‘You can listen through your living-room window.’ ”

Schlam came out on the porch instead.

On Monday afternoon, Tien’s children, 9-year-old Taran and 6-year-old Calliope, became the latest musicians to bring a little joy to those who might be needing some in this troubled time.

They set up their music stands on the far end of the porch, playing songs from Suzuki Book One for cello in unison. The pair bowed after each song, Taran in a suit and Calliope in a pink party dress, as Schlam applauded from the other end of the porch, at least a safe six feet away. She looped in her grandchildren in Israel, who were self-quarantining, too, and told Taran and Calliope they just gave “their first international concert," Schlam said.

Later, Tien said, Schlam told her: “Music is how we’re going to get through this.”

That much has proved true for everyone from professional musicians to casual listeners — even as the coronavirus pandemic is changing the way we consume music.

In Italy over the weekend, tenor Maurizio Marchini roared Giacomo Puccini’s “Nessun dorma” from his balcony to his quarantined town. Countless others have taken to their rooftops and windows to belt out the Italian national anthem at 6 p.m. every evening.

Elsewhere, dozens of performers and thousands of fans have turned to the live stream — the pandemic’s living-room-friendly alternative to packed, sweaty venues.

Orchestras such as the Berlin Philharmonic and those at the Royal Opera of Versailles and Metropolitan Opera have delivered masterful performances to eerily empty concert halls, as audiences watched online. Artists including Neil Young, John Legend, Coldplay and Yo-Yo Ma have turned to the live stream or social media videos to offer consolation and entertainment.

Cellist Yo-Yo Ma — whose die-hard fans include Taran and Calliope — called his social media performances the “#SongsOfComfort” series.

“In these days of anxiety, I wanted to find a way to continue to share some of the music that gives me comfort,” he wrote Friday on Twitter, posting his first performance of Dvořák’s “Going Home." He dedicated his second performance to “the healthcare workers on the frontlines.”

Michelle Heckert, who is quarantined, said “Music is one of those things we turn to in times of crisis and times of uncertainty, and so it’s been really cool to see that manifest across the globe.”
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 19, 2020, 08:19:01 am
Ciao PRR :smiley:

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Yesterday 475 deaths in one day in Italy

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(https://i.imgur.com/1ZdZjKP.jpg)

A Veneto entrepreneur (the first person on the right, the second is Luca Zaia, our governor) who normally prints books has converted his production into masks (that are build using a special fabric), these are not masks of high protective degree but level one, in any case effective to limit the spread of the droplets from breathing and therefore can limit the spread of the infection

Two million have been donated to the Veneto region and the next will be put on sale at low cost

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 19, 2020, 10:03:51 am
last ballparks here;
~17,000 from the non-toilet paper flu
~ 6,000 from cars
~1,100 from gun-shots
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 19, 2020, 02:07:29 pm
This are the data they give us (half an hour ago)

Infected
(https://i.imgur.com/l90fhjy.png)

Deceased
(https://i.imgur.com/DmSTVQ8.png)

Healed
(https://i.imgur.com/g5OAy6D.png)

Franco



Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: Cree on March 19, 2020, 04:48:42 pm
Ciao PRR & Peter :smiley:

As I read restrictions to contain the infection are becoming similar to what we have here

however better at home on the sofa than in a hospital bed, right ?

--

On my town we have a bad record, on other places there is a 3.4% of death, here we have a 7.5%

that is because the infection starten on the local hospital at the geriatric ward

where many elderly people with serious pathologies where hospitalized

--

on 2019, due to subsequent health problems, I have been in bed or at home for about 4 months

maybe this had been a training to get used to being indoors  :icon_biggrin:

Franco
My heart and prayers go out to you, also to any friends and loved ones of yours effected. It is a real eye opener to read from a first hand account of things going on, that I am yet to see. Prayers for you, Franco. Stay safe. 
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 19, 2020, 05:43:24 pm
Ciao Cree :smiley:

Many Thanks, I'll do the same for you

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on March 19, 2020, 08:13:42 pm
Drive-through virus testing is starting-up. (Actually drive-IN: you call ahead, get interviewed on the phone, if appropriate you get a time to come to a parking lot to be swabbed.)

Medical rules have been relaxed so most "tele-medicine" is legal (and can be billed). Normally a doctor must see you in person to write a prescription, that rule is relaxed. "Previously, there was a blanket prohibition on telehealth prescribing."
https://bangordailynews.com/2020/03/19/news/state/3-new-ways-mainers-can-access-health-care-remotely/

"Summer residents are flocking to Maine from out of state months earlier than expected, hoping to distance themselves physically and psychologically from national and global coronavirus concerns, but some Mainers are worried what sort of impact they might have."
https://bangordailynews.com/2020/03/19/news/hancock/viral-outbreak-brings-summer-residents-to-maine-months-earlier-than-usual/

Corona is in my *county* (population 55k) today.

Image: "Chris Bryant with his children and wife Emily take time to get out for a stroll through the City Forest with their dogs Otto and Lola on Thursday afternoon. After writing letters to their grandparents and doing school work in the morning, Emily said they needed to get out for a bit."
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: Willabe on March 19, 2020, 09:20:37 pm
Praying for you and your country K.  :sad:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 20, 2020, 04:54:25 am
Ciao PRR :smiley:

Also here, about church, the situation is similar, not exatly the same but similar

Virus test, here a lot of test were performed but no all people can acces to it at the moment, only some comprovate situations

Don't know exactly what happen here about tele-medicine, but seems that the activity is possible, also if not so diffused

People that has leaved theyr house to go on theyr's second house is something that here happened and is officially considered a problem, the govern didn't approve this activity

In your county you are 55K, in my town we are 84K, I whish you that being in a larger territory with less people, you have less probabilities to encounter someone that is infected

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Ciao Willabe  :smiley:

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Thanks Friends

Franco

Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on March 21, 2020, 06:25:59 pm
Ciao Franco.
I just decided to check the "other" threads. Glad I did. My thoughts and prayers go out to you and your county. My church is open - its the forest. I need to get back to Italy. I have tramped through the Dolomites staying at the alpine huts; spent a week in Verona (miss the Al Scalin family restaurant so bad); biked through Tuscany and Cinque Terra. I deal with Italy withdrawal by driving a 1966 Alfa Romeo GT Junior and riding a Moto Guzzi!
And Shooter - in Maine we have a store that sells groceries, clothes, guns, ammo, bait, and wedding dresses; take that. I bet PRR knows what store I'm talking about.
Please stay safe and be well.
Mac
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 21, 2020, 06:37:31 pm
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And Shooter - in Maine
:laugh:
pretty sure If you ask one of the Female clerks at the beerbaitngas, you'll have your dress by the next day, might be lightly used, the price will be good  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: tubenit on March 21, 2020, 06:49:02 pm
Franco,

PLEASE keep us updated on how you and your family are doing every few days (or less). 

Jeff
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 21, 2020, 07:17:59 pm
Ciao Jeff :smiley:

Till now we are well, the situation is worsening, but we resist

prospective are not good about an early conclusion

I espect that quarantine must go on also on April and May (and that may not suffice)

however we still hope 

in a few days I will update you again on the numbers of the infection

today no

sorry but I don't really want to give numbers on new infected cases and deceased people

(forgive me friends)

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: tubenit on March 21, 2020, 08:54:54 pm
Glad you & your family are well!  I am sad for your quarantine to continue so long, but if it saves lives then it's not such a terrible choice. 

I can only imagine what a challenge this has been.  I am grateful to know that you continue to embrace hope!

Thoughts and prayers, Jeff
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on March 22, 2020, 12:57:21 am
Ciao Jeff :smiley: ...
sorry but I don't really want to give numbers on new infected cases and deceased people

Numbers for all countries are readily available on the major new sites. Al Jazeera (https://www.aljazeera.com/)'s coverage is very even-handed globally, with good maps, though of course more Arab-world coverage than I find on America/Europe sources.

Today's numbers for Italy are not good; I sure hope this is a blip and not a trend. I know your area has been hit hard already.

Yes, some countries have "low" numbers and we know they are just slow in finding and reporting cases.

One of our congressmen is seriously ill. Several others are in testing. We need to get these old folks to vote from home. There's major legal and historical objection.

(BTW: I said Corona was in _my_ county. Now we are back to "zero"-- the confirmed case lives in another county and the "score" has been handed-off to that county's scoreboard. But as I said somewhere, everybody has several jobs in several towns and nobody notices county lines that were drawn-up two centuries ago, before trains and motor-cars changed the landscape. So it WILL be "here", just not yet, not officially.)

With few exceptions we can not have more than 10 people together and they should stay 3 or 6 feet apart. Today was a clarification that barbers and nail-polish shops are not "essential" and must close down. (I almost got a trim last week, I will be pretty shaggy before I get a chance again.) I got a load of heating fuel today and I stayed well back until he computed the bill, stepped just close enough to hand him the check, stepped away and wished him the best of health.

My elderly parents are usually social with music lessons and drama club, all canceled. After a week in their apartment they were going stir-crazy. One day they drove around the Great Bay. Another day they looked at the crowd at the drugstore, then saw that nobody was at the hardware store. They went in and shopped, found sanitizer and other supplies.

In my town, the Boy Scouts have offered to deliver food to your porch. There's also a for-fee delivery service. The director of my parents' senior center will shop for members Monday and Thursday. (The director would otherwise be out of work.)

Masks for medical workers are in very short supply. There is a call for anybody with a sewing machine to download instructions and start sewing. Our newspaper also runs a "100 years ago today" column and in WWI, 1917, the locals were sewing dressings (bandages) for the boys at war. Stonington Women's Club, 430 dressings. (There was also a major shortage of bread flour.)

Shredded T-shirts are backing-up California sewers.

I can get craft-beer delivered to my porch by the brewer 2 towns over.

Studio 338 in London, one of the UK's largest nightclubs, is turning into a giant warehouse as a base to store food and other essential items which will be delivered by a team of volunteers. The club has called on "young clubbers" to give up their time to help those most in need.

This is in the UK but it is universal:
(https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2020/3/20/276bfec2b7894766b35a6ba53b1f3da8_18.jpg)
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 22, 2020, 07:23:46 am
Ciao PRR :smiley:

Thanks for all the info

>>> One of our congressmen is seriously ill

Also here some member of the politic are infected

>>> With few exceptions we can not have more than 10 people together ...

In which places there are this limits? Here depends on where you go, at the Pharmacy near my house they allow a max 3 people to be inside the shop (as an example)

>>> A man who died following a coronavirus diagnosis was give last rites by his pastor over the phone ...

Here the church is discussing about that and some of them say it will be possible, some other are thinking to different solutions

>>> This is in the UK but it is universal

Yes, it is

>>> Shredded T-shirts are backing-up California sewers

You can do your own at home, simply using low cost dog pee mats

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VfAQh6nFUqBAOT3NRSPH9nt8x647JwOT (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VfAQh6nFUqBAOT3NRSPH9nt8x647JwOT)

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on March 23, 2020, 07:10:31 am
Franco - continued best wishes to you and all of Italy. Thank you for sharing with us.
PRR - a thanks to you too, and hoping that things stay in some form of control here.
Sharing some challenging and some good news:
Our President keeps spreading falsehoods in his daily press conferences. His Covid-19 task force tries to pick up the pieces - its not good.

My sister is a ski instructor in Colorado. Colorado has hundreds of cases and the ski industry is shut down. But idiotic spring breakers (they do not all go to Florida) stated partying on the decks/porches of the closed base lodges. Management with the help of authorities is kicking them out.

Harbor Freight is donating their entire stock of protective gear to hospitals - yay!

Tech giant Jack Ma is donating 4 million face masks and 600,000 test kits - also partnering with a famous ex boxer (Manny Pacquiao?) to donate additional masks and test kits across Latin America.

Consumer technology giant Xiaomi shipped crates of masks to the Italian Civil Protection Department, and they stapled to the side of the crates an ancient line of poetry from the Roman philosopher Seneca:
We are waves from the same sea, leaves from the same tree, and flowers from the same garden.
Siamo onde dello stesso mare, foglie dello stesso albero, fiori dello stesso giardino
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on March 23, 2020, 07:24:49 am
And then there is Goat Cam:
http://www.sunflowerfarm.info/sunflowerfarmlivefeed?mc_cid=8777aaeb1d&mc_eid=6c876355e0 (http://www.sunflowerfarm.info/sunflowerfarmlivefeed?mc_cid=8777aaeb1d&mc_eid=6c876355e0)
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 23, 2020, 01:19:41 pm
Ciao bmccowan & PRR  :smiley:

Also today we are at home but we are well

we are still waiting for a decrease in negative numbers progression

today my son, as per the new dispositions, didn't go to work, he and his wife attended to some job that they can do via internet

Oh, I forgot, today started the distribution of masks in my town

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: chocopower on March 23, 2020, 04:18:04 pm
Here in Spain we know the hard days are coming. Next 2 weeks are gona be really complicated, but people is doing well.


http://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10219697943470865&id=1585909812&scmts=scwspsdd&extid=qV9AleT4eVqYvZdw (http://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10219697943470865&id=1585909812&scmts=scwspsdd&extid=qV9AleT4eVqYvZdw)
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 23, 2020, 05:41:17 pm
Ciao bmccowan & chocopower :smiley:

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: sluckey on March 24, 2020, 04:16:38 pm
Please take all political comments and responses to political comments elsewhere.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: Ritchie200 on March 24, 2020, 04:45:14 pm

Franco,


I just read where Lucia Bose just passed.  It said she died of pneumonia, I hope she was not another victim of the virus.


Jim
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: EL34 on March 25, 2020, 06:39:35 am
Keep this thread about Franco
No politics or religion again
Thanks
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on March 25, 2020, 10:04:19 am
Politics, toxic, and off-point postings removed. This is a tough situation for everybody.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 25, 2020, 03:00:52 pm
Today we have been informed that Spain is in grave danger, they have more deaths than China (only Italy has more)

We are sorry

chocopower we are all with you, stay well friend

--

Our governor (Veneto region) has just said that the mathematical projections are not favorable

and that the situation in our region is expected to get worse

--

Today I was out of home for 15 minutes, with my dog, the previous 3 days I was closed at home

If you can, friends, stay at home

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on March 25, 2020, 06:57:09 pm
Franco, you are are fine person. With all of Italy's worries, you still have time for Spain. May you, Italy, Choco, and Spain soon thrive. My wife and I have two dogs - such a comfort in these times.
Please take care and be safe. I have 90 employees (nothing to do with amps) and its like worrying about a large family.
To all - I think I started the political fire that others then tossed gasoline on. I am sorry, I was only trying to share policy issues with Franco. I promise not to mention Hussey General Store or wedding gowns again!
Be safe all.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on March 25, 2020, 10:25:44 pm
Where ever the world is going, North Italy is leading the way.

The US has been lagging badly but let's leave that for history to judge. Where my parents are the state "set up auxiliary hospitals to house the non-COVID-19 patients. They are using sports venues that are closed for lack of fans. The first was the University of Southern New Hampshire's huge basketball and ice hockey arena in Manchester. The beds are ones the Guard had in storage for emergencies like this. There are already TV pictures on WMUR showing plenty of room despite 175 pleasant looking green bed/recliner combinations.  It will be used by both Manchester's Elliot Hospital and its Catholic Medical Center. Next site will probably be New Hampshire University's sports arena in Durham. Presumably, it will be used by Exeter Hospital in Exeter and Wentworth-Douglas in Durham.
"Also, our governor got to a company in Exeter NH that has been making hospital ventilators (today's replacement for the iron lung) for years. He got them to increase production by six times. We get the first but the governor is finding additional customer's for them.
"We have stopped taking music lessons for safety's sake but intend to resume. I have been practicing almost every day on six or seven songs in five different keys. I can see my sight reading improving faster than it ever has because of the lack of pressure from weekly assignments.
"
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 26, 2020, 05:18:37 am
Ciao bmccowan & PRR  :smiley:

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My wife and I have two dogs - such a comfort in these times.

Oh, not only in these times, I love dogs (and also PRR)  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Many thanks for the info PRR I wish that US will not be engaged as we are,  all you are a great country that has great mens

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on March 26, 2020, 07:52:40 am
So true on dogs. We've had 8 others before these two, and I miss each of them dearly.
Franco - I so hope things turn better there soon.
PRR - thanks for that info. A niece lives in Hampton NH and went to UNH. Good to hear that people are pulling together.
Best wishes.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 26, 2020, 08:47:01 am
 :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:


When I was young my father had a hunting dog pointer, black with a white star on the chest, very similar to the colors I see in your photo


Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on March 26, 2020, 09:20:07 am
Both our dogs have great noses, are good hunters, but are totally untrained so I rarely get a shot at a bird. They may be somewhat spoiled - as shown by their taking over our leather sofa. The young one (with the white star) constantly steals socks, towels, bathmats, etc. and walks around with them in her mouth trying to get us to chase her. Its quite funny.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 26, 2020, 12:05:34 pm
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The young one (with the white star) constantly steals socks, towels, bathmats, etc. and walks around with them in her mouth trying to get us to chase her. Its quite funny.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I can understand  :icon_biggrin:

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on March 26, 2020, 12:31:59 pm
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Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: jojokeo on March 26, 2020, 02:20:12 pm

Fanco,
Is that you above the garage???  :l2:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 26, 2020, 03:59:45 pm
Not yet, but it will be in a few weeks, if I don't stop to eat the way I'm doing

 :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: DummyLoad on March 27, 2020, 02:55:04 am
franco, at least you are healthy! - i've piled on about 4-5Lb (2Kg) in the last 2 weeks. my dr. is not going to be happy on my next checkup!   :help:


--pete
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on March 27, 2020, 07:29:45 am
Franco - some news outlets here in the US are reporting that the rate of new cases in Italy is slowing. I hope they are right. At my company we just cleaned out our stockroom of all protective gear N95s, gloves, face shields, etc. and donated them to two local hospitals. Drop in the bucket I know, but maybe it helps a critical need.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 27, 2020, 10:07:29 am
Ciao Pete & bmccowan :smiley:

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.... my dr. is not going to be happy on my next checkup!

My doctor wasn't happy on my previous checkup !  :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:

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... at least you are healthy!

well, fortunately, till now, it is so :worthy1: :worthy1: :worthy1:

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.... I hope they are right.

Unfortunately they aren't, there was a small recession, but number are newly increasing

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 27, 2020, 10:29:39 am
I was only 1/2 paying attention, but seems in US the new #'s were 98.4% survival rate for total population.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 27, 2020, 10:40:21 am
I wish ALL of you the best

--

Here they say we have a 10% of deceased, in Germany 0.5%

I think there is something odd

many say that Germany did not count correctly the numbers

the numbers seems to give reason to who say that

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 27, 2020, 11:11:38 am
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I think there is something odd

 :laugh:
I took a probability and statistics class in High School and College, I could make any number fit :think1:

here, nobody cares about the # that got it, weathered it out and never seen a Doc.  If you want a proper sample rate, those folk are kinda important
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on March 27, 2020, 02:23:26 pm
seems in US the new #'s were 98.4% survival rate for total population.

Yes, "now". While we have ventilators for the 'small' percent who go into acute distress. But cases are still doubling every 2 to 4 days. In maybe a month we will have more seriously sick people than beds and ventilators. We may have 10 gaspers for every machine. By May the docs will be forced to pick who has the best chance, and stack the rest to die. The NYT today has an essay about how that is working in Italy; it is too sad to post here. Your "1.6% dead" rate will rise over 5% when the healthcare system is overwhelmed. This is already happening in parts of the US.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 27, 2020, 02:44:12 pm
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Your "1.6%"
it's not mine, I just repeated it  :laugh:
n I agree, among group X, it's 80%, group Y......
Pam's home from work (hospital), the normal sick are being told sorry.... So she's on call for the CV's only, pretty sure since we're old, with underlies, we're  F :cussing: :think1:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on March 27, 2020, 03:25:19 pm
Shooter - I hope you and your's stay safe, and Bravo Zulu to Pam (spouse?) for her efforts. We have several relatives who are Drs. and Nurses in hospitals and they are all taking high risks to help us all. My wife and I are also geezers with underlying conditions, but we refuse to go down without a fight. And we refuse to stop helping others. In our locale, the fight is being made more challenging by a few who are having a laugh about flaunting their disregard for social distancing protocols. I guess its just a form of denial - or coping. 
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 27, 2020, 04:37:35 pm
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we refuse to stop helping others.
ya, that's home here  :laugh:
She even called n ask If I could look at a GE CT that was down n no service guy for a day, I laughed.  the stuff is so 'puter FOB locked that I wouldn't even be able to get to log files, let alone diags!  I told her to come home n play with cats.

here's what she did today, said we could both climb under that way the kids wouldn't have to hunt all over the property for us  :icon_biggrin:  front-line humor  :think1:;
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on March 27, 2020, 06:11:14 pm
Maine, today: one person died, 168 confirmed cases in 11 of Maine's 16 counties.

The state is not under lock-down orders, but some cities are; but police won't stop you just for being on the road.

How ‘stay-at-home’ orders and gathering bans due to coronavirus are being enforced in Maine
'We don’t want to make this a situation where it’s a police state' Police are relying on voluntary compliance to enforce orders, for now.
MAINE, USA — While other states—including Maine’s neighbors Connecticut, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts—have issued statewide shelter-in-place or stay-at-home orders, Gov. Janet Mills has not issued one. Mill has, however, issued a statewide ban on gatherings of 10 or more people, and ordered all public-facing non-essential businesses to close to the public.
In addition to the statewide mandate, the City of Portland and the City of South Portland have issued ‘stay-at-home’ orders for all non-essential businesses and services due to the increasing threat of the coronavirus outbreak in Maine. Additionally, the Town of Brunswick enacted a ‘shelter-in-place’ order this week.
____________________________

Some "safe" activities have become unsafe. The Appalachian Trail is very crowded with people escaping cities, to the point that hikers risk virus in crowded camps and outhouses. Apparently there's always been norovirus (my aunt was felled 2 years ago), now corona too.

----------------------------
Maine family diagnosed with coronavirus says last two weeks have been ‘miserable’
The Swett family says it feels like they have the flu and a cold at the same time and their symptoms aren't getting any better.
MAINE, — Melissa Swett has a message for anyone not taking the coronavirus and precautions surrounding it seriously – ‘this isn’t a joke’.
The family said the symptoms started to build on top of each other. What started as a small cough turned into a sore throat, fever and soon after that, digestive issues.
Swett said even simple tasks like walking from one room to another are exhausting. They described it as having the flu mixed with a cold but much worse.
Last Wednesday, the family called their doctor and were told to go to Maine Medical Center for testing.
“It’s the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen, they call you and tell you to come in the building, then they come to the door in complete hazmat outfits,” Swett said. “They wash the building down the minute you come in, hand you a mask… and they take you into a room that’s completely sanitized, and they do the nose test.”
She said they are sleeping more than ever and can really only find relief by lying down.
“You know when you have the flu and you wake up maybe 24 hours later and you’re like ‘yeah I don’t feel great’ but you can tell that it’s going away? There’s no relief with this, the coughing is non-stop,” Swett said.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on March 27, 2020, 06:54:40 pm
re: masks and gowns: our top-doc says "we have an umbrella in a hurricane".
------------------

(This is not about religion but technical cleverness for social purpose.)
"Every pastor’s worst fear is preaching to an empty sanctuary." So he filled the house for his on-line service:
http://www.newscentermaine.com/video/news/health/coronavirus/minister-in-saco-has-found-a-way-to-safely-fill-pews-in-church/97-a07042a9-8c5b-452f-9855-6761a7b064d6?jwsource=cl
More than 120 printed photos fill the pews at the First Parish Church in Saco during streaming services.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: EL34 on March 28, 2020, 08:01:54 am
I wish ALL of you the best

--

Here they say we have a 10% of deceased, in Germany 0.5%

I think there is something odd

many say that Germany did not count correctly the numbers

the numbers seems to give reason to who say that

Franco


How about smokers in Italy
Is it a large part of the population that smoke?



Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on March 28, 2020, 04:58:04 pm
According to what I've read - the % of smokers in Italy and Germany is about the same.
NY Times had a good article on this: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/opinion/germany-coronavirus.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/opinion/germany-coronavirus.html) It seems most likely that they took early and aggressive action - but there are other issues explored in the article too.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 28, 2020, 06:36:03 pm
Ciao Doug & bmccowan  :smiley:

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How about smokers in Italy

I really didn't know, but I'll search info about

I was a smoker for some years

No filter cigarets like Gauloises, Sax then small cigar, the dimension of a cigarette

then smoking pipe and at end regoular cigars, but I stopped a lot of years ago around 1980

--

There was a news yesterday, there is a study that say that a lot of infected people show a very low level on D vitamin

Standard value will be around 70 of level - I did some examinations some years ago and I was 4 of level, so I regoularly take D vitamin (and must go on because I'm always at a low level)


--


To assume D vitamin is a good thing for those who are low in level, but is dangerous for other people, so, if you want to know, have a test and ask to your doctor


Also 1 gr vitamin C (each day) is a good thing to assume, this is not dangerous if you respect the quantity, the excess is spread away

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: pdf64 on March 28, 2020, 07:07:27 pm
I heard a clinical researcher explaining that it was thought that the high death rate in Italy may be due to a combination of factors, principally the old age profile, high rates of smoking and antibiotic resistant infections.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 29, 2020, 04:37:20 am
Ciao pdf64  :smiley:

---

Here I'm Doug

About smokers I did a search, the study (which are still ongoing) say that smokers has a 50% more probabilities to go on grave simptoms if covis-19 infected, also tey say that the reason because female people over 65 old seems to be more resistant than male is because at that age the percent of female smokers is lower than the male smokers

here a bar grafic, on the left the % of smokers, on bottom the age range

(Maschi = Male -- Femmine = Female)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZrruxB1.jpg)

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 29, 2020, 07:06:42 am
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About smokers
that doesn't explain NYC, a pack of smokes is ~$10 so nobody smokes there  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: sluckey on March 29, 2020, 10:19:30 am
The number of people per square foot is a huge factor for NYC.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on March 29, 2020, 10:50:50 am
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number of people per square foot
yup,
you can go back 1,000's of years and see how that worked out  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: Willabe on March 30, 2020, 12:05:30 pm
Here's a very interesting ongoing report from a Dr. in Switzerland. I don't know how true all the info is, but it does raise very good questions.

Like, we do not know how many people who have died that tested positive for the virus died FROM the virus or died WITH the virus. "It is not yet known to what extent normal overall mortality has increased, or to what extent it has simply turned test-positive." (Normal yearly mortality are given in the report and given below.) 

Titled;      A Swiss Doctor on Covid-19 - Global ResearchGlobal Research ...


https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrJ7FcYJ4JeLPoA5wZXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTExMWc3cHQ4BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDREZENl8xBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1585616793/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.globalresearch.ca%2fswiss-doctor-covid-19%2f5707642/RK=2/RS=hQwPaUhZpOrjBZ.fi3it1DgELy8- (https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrJ7FcYJ4JeLPoA5wZXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTExMWc3cHQ4BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDREZENl8xBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1585616793/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.globalresearch.ca%2fswiss-doctor-covid-19%2f5707642/RK=2/RS=hQwPaUhZpOrjBZ.fi3it1DgELy8-)


A few quotes;

"Northern Italy has one of the oldest populations and the worst air quality (https://twitter.com/esa/status/1238480433047916545) in Europe, which had already led to an increased number (https://www.thelocal.it/20170131/our-lungs-are-breaking-smog-levels-way-above-safe-limits-in-northern-italy) of respiratory diseases and deaths in the past and is likely an additional risk factor in the current epidemic."

"According to the latest data (https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/sars-cov-2-decessi-italia) of the Italian National Health Institute ISS, the average age of the positively-tested deceased in Italy is currently about 81 years. 10% of the deceased are over 90 years old. 90% of the deceased are over 70 years old.

80% of the deceased had suffered from two or more chronic diseases. 50% of the deceased had suffered from three or more chronic diseases. The chronic diseases include in particular cardiovascular problems, diabetes, respiratory problems and cancer.
Less than 1% of the deceased were healthy persons, i.e. persons without pre-existing chronic diseases. Only about 30% of the deceased are women.

The Italian Institute of Health moreover distinguishes (https://youtu.be/0M4kbPDHGR0?t=210) between those who died from the coronavirus and those who died with the coronavirus. In many cases it is not yet clear whether the persons died from the virus or from their pre-existing chronic diseases or from a combination of both.

The two Italians deceased under 40 years of age (both 39 years old) were a cancer patient and a diabetes patient with additional complications. In these cases, too, the exact cause of death was not yet clear (i.e. if from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases).

The partial overloading of the hospitals is due to the general rush of patients and the increased number of patients requiring special or intensive care. In particular, the aim is to stabilize respiratory function and, in severe cases, to provide anti-viral therapies.
(Update: The Italian National Institute of Health published a statistical report (https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_17_marzo-v2.pdf) on test-positive patients and deceased, confirming the above data.)"

"On March 20, Italy reported 627 nationwide test-positive deaths in one day. By comparison, normal overall mortality in Italy is about 1800 deaths per day. Since February 21, Italy has reported about 4000 test-positive deaths. Normal overall mortality during this time frame is up to 50,000 deaths. It is not yet known to what extent normal overall mortality has increased, or to what extent it has simply turned test-positive. Moreover, Italy and Europe have had a very mild flu season in 2019/2020 that has spared many otherwise vulnerable people."

"Important reference values include the number of annual flu deaths, which is up to 8,000 in Italy and up to 60,000 in the US; normal overall mortality, which in Italy is up to 2,000 deaths per day; and the average number of pneumonia cases per year, which in Italy is over 120,000.

Current all-cause mortality in Europe and in Italy is still normal or even below-average. Any excess mortality due to Covid-19 should become visible in the European monitoring charts."


"Winter smog satellite color picture  (NO2) in Northern Italy in February 2020 (ESA)"

https://swprs.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/italy-smog.png?w=550&h=309 (https://swprs.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/italy-smog.png?w=550&h=309)

And in Wuhan they were protesting air pollution last year. As the air quality is very poor there.

And any major city, like NY city, would have very poor air quality. If this is a contributor, then large cities will have this against them too, making things worse over all.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: dude on March 30, 2020, 02:33:01 pm
Franco, stay safe, wishing you the best. This situation is terrible at this point it's not a blame game but a solution game. I feel like this is a horror movie and we're all staring in it, surreal. I feel so bad for the young people in the world right now, especially Seniors in High School, no Prom, no senior parties, the best year of their 12 years of school being taken away, just terrible.
I hope and pray the spread slows down, I'm just outside of the Philadelphia and cases are doubling every two or three days, they say it will get worse before it gets better.
Stay safe everyone, keep inside, here's a clip of a doctor suggesting how to disinfect your groceries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps&feature=youtu.be)
 
God Bless us all
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on March 31, 2020, 04:00:14 pm
Hi Guys :smiley:

Many Thanks Dude

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... wishing you the best

the same to you and your loved

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on March 31, 2020, 09:32:00 pm
Went out for milk and doughnuts ($230 worth). Store was not busy; apparently if it were, they would stop us going in until someone came out. Blue tape on floor marking 6 feet back from counters. Plexiglass panel at the check-out. Stock was good except the TP aisle was near bare. We had to take a funny brand of mozzarella.

We are now officially locked-down.
Maine residents will now have to remain at home under Gov. Janet Mills’ “Stay Healthy at Home” mandate. The executive order goes into effect at 12:01 am on April 2 and will last until at least April 30.
“We are in the midst of one of the greatest public health crises this world has seen in more than a century,” Mills said in a statement. “This virus will continue to sicken people across our state; our cases will only grow, and more people will die.”
The order also introduced new restrictions, including prohibiting the use of public transportation unless for an essential reason and extending the termination of in-person classroom instruction until at least May 1. Essential businesses that are allowed to remain open must limit the number of customers in their buildings and have people maintain a distance of six feet apart from each other.
Residents will still be allowed to leave their homes to obtain essential food and medicine as well as for exercise and other reasons.
Maine has 303 cases of the coronavirus, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/31/maine-institutes-stay-healthy-at-home-order-during-coronavirus-outbreak.html


In north Italy, there is some hope that the rate of rise is slowing, maybe transitioning to plateau. Maybe. We hope so.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 01, 2020, 05:58:57 am
Ciao PRR :smiley:

We are waiting and hopin for the decrease (here in the north), but I think we must wait other 15 days (I estimate)

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We had to take a funny brand of mozzarella.

I hope it is original italian, not a fake imitation from other countries  :wink:

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Last week I was out 15 minutes with my dog, my wife must go out for the job and so she goes to the supermarket I don't, I've no idea about the supermarket situation, when I was out I've seen 7 - 8 people waiting out of the pharmacy (there they accept 3 people at a time, no more) and few people inside the detergent shop (all with the mask)

Franco


Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on April 01, 2020, 07:57:07 am
It does seem that the curve may be starting to flatten in Italy. I hope so. More stores here have started curbside pickup. I hope this trend grows as it protects the public and the workers. Store employees are putting themselves in harms way to keep goods available. Some states are trying get out ahead of it - that's smart.
Be careful, stay safe, stay strong.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: DummyLoad on April 01, 2020, 10:20:04 am
franco, hope you and your family are still well. praying for all of us.

we have a really good chain here in our state that had foreseen what was coming and planned for it. most of the other chains are still trying to get onboard with sanitizing and protecting staff and clients properly. i get deliveries and until recently did curbside pickups. my MD put me on strict quarantine - e.g., cannot leave this house unless it's a medical emergency, not even to take a walk. 

all this because of one filthy open meat market...

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/z3b7x5/heb-texas-grocery-store-coronavirus-covid-19-response?utm_campaign=sharebutton&fbclid=IwAR22bHU0KiGaXH7cc7AGeEdoCWm6macyZlliaJagueCJ2sj8lLSkGBt78Lo (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/z3b7x5/heb-texas-grocery-store-coronavirus-covid-19-response?utm_campaign=sharebutton&fbclid=IwAR22bHU0KiGaXH7cc7AGeEdoCWm6macyZlliaJagueCJ2sj8lLSkGBt78Lo)

--pete
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on April 01, 2020, 01:08:03 pm
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all this because of one filthy open meat market
If things keep going, it'll be in the USA soon.

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my MD put me on strict quarantine
Mine won't test me for antibodies since I'm >90% had it, came out it and should be immune for 1-3yrs, "it's not in my protocol to test for antibodies"  :think1:
the "guess" by and infectious disease Doc thinks world wide there's a "labor pool" of immune folk between 1 an 10million and for each one positive, 10-1000 will contract/recover/ready to go, (assuming typical avoidance stuff).  I have no problem making toilet paper to help  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on April 01, 2020, 01:44:05 pm
>>   a funny brand of mozzarella.
> I hope it is original italian, not a fake imitation from other countries  :wink:


Wisconsin (USA). There's not much to do there, but they make a lot of cheese product.

We usually get a brand that comes in a large "brick", clearly an American factory product. Image (https://domesticatingkate.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/dsc_3786_small.jpg) It isn't quite American Cheese: it has "grain" and can be hard to cut. That was out of stock.

We got a small pack of "sliced mozzarella" from "BelGioioso" : Image (https://d2lnr5mha7bycj.cloudfront.net/product-image/file/large_507f91fc-2dc1-49ee-bca6-d1c1e20cec53.jpg)
https://www.belgioioso.com/Products/Fresh-Mozzarella
Here is where the skilled cheese artisans work:  Image (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/BelGioioso_Cheese_Inc_4200_Main_St%2C_Green_Bay%2C_WI_54311_%28920%29_863-2123.jpg/800px-BelGioioso_Cheese_Inc_4200_Main_St%2C_Green_Bay%2C_WI_54311_%28920%29_863-2123.jpg)
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: Willabe on April 01, 2020, 02:47:44 pm
BelGioioso is a very popular brand in the Chicago area. I used to buy when I needed mots when we lived there. It's very good tasting. They make a very good 'fresh' mots too, in your pic, the soft kind.

Sorrento's very good too. I would use either without question.
 
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 01, 2020, 03:31:57 pm
Hi Friends

Till now my family is still well

I wish the same to ALL you

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Pete, are you saying you can't go out of house also to go to the supermarket and / or the drugstore?

Have you some healt problems that absolutely discourage the exit in this period?

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Mozzarella ...... the aspect on the link PRR posted is good, but I must test it to confirm at wich level it is  :icon_biggrin:

Here we have big and famous brands that produces mozzarella, but my favorite isn't of a famous / expensive brand, I find that a small supermarket on my town (IN's supermarket, part of PAM Group) has a very good tasting brand, Valtenera and is produced with Alto Adige milk (not south Italy milk) in Varna (BZ) by Centro Latte Bressanone Cooperative Agricultural Society

Note that for us mozzarella in big pieces is mozzarella to be used on pizza, for individual use we have small round mozzarella, around 125gr each portion

When you cut a mozzarella destined for pizza, no liquid comes out, when you cut a standard mozzarella a wite liquid comes out (similar to milk) when you cut a Buffalo Mozzarella a lot of liquid comes out, but Buffalo Mozzarella is a different affair , more tasty, expensive and, at end, less used


Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on April 01, 2020, 04:12:31 pm
BACK on topic: Italy is showing a leveling of New Cases Per Day. Good. But every day is more cases. As said, it may be weeks before the number of cases starts to fall.

My nephew from the Bronx bummed around the world and has been in VietNam for a year. (Ironic considering what VietNam represented when his dad and I were his age.) He had an early look at what was happening in China and predicted "the possibility of a world wide economic collapse and the chaos, shortages..." "real and disturbing developments that are worthy of calm concern, and of preparedness for large scale disruption.." End of January, Mongolia closed-down for two months. And that seems to be the minimum to knock the virus down, IF people really stay apart. In the US, Mar 13 was a turning-point when most State Governors began lockdowns. Way out in Maine it was encouraged but not mandatory until tomorrow. That means I'll be at-home through May.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on April 01, 2020, 04:23:37 pm
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He had an early look at what was happening
I like to day-trade (a great month is +300$ :)  been at it 20+ years, in Dec the minutia I look at was all wonking, bad enough I called my wife and advised her to call her guy and move into cash til Nov '20 (she didn't listen, nor did the other 5 ppl I told) I had NO clue "what it was" I just knew it was gonna be significant

As to cheese, I like a nice wedge of Assiago,(so?) a good bagel and I got a meal in my coat pocket  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 01, 2020, 05:43:27 pm
Asiago ... yes, a good taste (there are also many variety of it), here we have dozens of good tasting cheese types

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Numbers about infected (here) are increasing, but must consider that they increased control swabs

As I told, here we must wait minimum 15 days and then give a look to the numbers

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: DummyLoad on April 02, 2020, 01:34:09 am
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Pete, are you saying you can't go out of house also to go to the supermarket and / or the drugstore?

Have you some healt problems that absolutely discourage the exit in this period?


franco, yes, i was advised to strict quarantine and, yes health issues: i have COPD and a history of CHF.

i get supplies by delivery only as of last week.

--pete
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 02, 2020, 04:22:57 am
Oh, Pete, I'm very sad about that

I'll pray for you and your family

I wish you all the best

your overseas friend

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: st on April 02, 2020, 12:35:16 pm
Kagliastro, as a fellow European but from the north (Belgium), let me say I feel ashamed the rest of Europe hasn't had the reflex tot support Italy and Spain more than is currently the case. Best of luck to you, your family, our American friends, and anyone else on this forum!
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 02, 2020, 02:50:34 pm
Many Thanks st

I hope your country will have a better way on this thing

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on April 04, 2020, 07:43:57 am
Franco,
There seems to be some encouraging news coming from your country - the rate of new cases leveling off and some very important research beginning. Let's hope this all goes in the most positive direction possible. Below is the link to an article I just read, and a quote.
Stay safe
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-antibodies.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-antibodies.html)
Next week, Veneto plans to begin collecting 100,000 blood samples from people across the region — first from thousands of health care workers and then public employees — to study in labs the antibodies of people who have the virus and those who have healed from it.
Nowhere in Italy is the pursuit of the antibody strategy more intense than in Veneto. With its wealth of resources, high-profile consultants and biotech presence, it may now be uniquely positioned to influence the global conversation and provide insights for the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: chocopower on April 04, 2020, 08:49:03 am
Here in Spain, right  now, president is announcing  2 more weeks of lockdown. That makes a 6 weeks total.
I work in the fishing market at the harbor,  so we keep working,  but with a lot of limitations.
We used to buy fish in auctions were the sellers "sing" the price of the product but in down auction. Is a very crowded system,  so now we are using  WhatsApp and making bids using our phones sitting in our office rooms.....  and we are having a LOT of work.... fish consuming is rising every day and we barely can serve the market demand. I mean cheap fish.  Expensive ones,  which are used in restaurants,  are going down like a stone....


Here in northwest Spain we are still in a "moderate" situation.  Madrid is being beaten hard, and we know we go next....


People, take this seriously,  please.



Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on April 04, 2020, 09:31:43 am
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I work in the fishing market at the harbor
When I was in the Navy, that was one of my "highlights" when in port, walking the markets, watching the interactions, the people, way better than the "typical tourist" areas  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: chocopower on April 04, 2020, 10:10:16 am
We make guided visits (not now,  obviously) and we have elderly and children groups every day.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 04, 2020, 10:40:45 am
Hi bmccowan - chocopower - shooter  :smiley:

bmccowan

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There seems to be some encouraging news coming from your country .....

You say correctly, seems , however on the air, here, there is a new order to stay at home for other 15 days (at least)

Our Governor Zaia is really doing a good job and many smart thing are done and planned, the planned blood samples has the intent to draw a map and to give a sort of "license" to those people passed the infection as to avoid (if possible ) problems when it will be possible to go back to work

Chocopower

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Here in Spain, right now, president is announcing 2 more weeks of lockdown

As just I told, I'm expecting the same thing here, this thing will go on a long time and if people don't understand they must stay at home now, it will go on further and further  :sad:

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I know fish auction downwards (I've seen it in a small town, Donada province of Rovigo, where I was born), I have not seen it many times, but I remember it very well, the action was not based on Lire, it was based on an ancient coin called shield, very fun to see  :thumbsup:

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People, take this seriously, please.

I can only confirm and whish all you the best

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shooter

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When I was in the Navy, that was one of my "highlights" when in port, walking the markets, watching the interactions, the people, way better than the "typical tourist" areas

Many years ago I with a friend organized a 20 person pulman tour of 15 days on Barcelona, I and my friend did exactly the same, the other members of our group go for Typical Tourist areas, we ..... "slums" of the port  :icon_biggrin:

We didn't look for particular things, we just wanted to see people's real life

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 06, 2020, 02:44:26 am
Here there is a very small tendency to have less death


Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on April 06, 2020, 05:17:03 am
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We didn't look for particular things, we just wanted to see people's real life

Was my Favorite thing to do IN port, I gave up drinking so "real life" was an amazing thing  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on April 06, 2020, 01:48:15 pm
Franco, I am glad for you, only I wish the rate would fall-off faster.

South of me, NYC and Boston are predicting a very bad week. I can sometimes pick-up Boston news-radio here and their state is urging masks even on construction sites. The bus/train routes are being adjusted because some have almost no riders, but a few near hospitals are adding service for medical workers.

I went to my doctor for a scheduled treatment today. Doc works next to the hospital. Instead of just walking in the nearest door I was told to come to the Emergency Room entrance. They asked my business, put a thermometer in my mouth, and let me in. The doctor's clerk usually asks for the small co-payment ($10 nominal, but $9 if I bring cash) but this time no mention of money. The treatment involves urine so they are always careful about germs, but this time the med-tech also wore a mask.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 06, 2020, 05:27:29 pm
Ciao Shooter Ciao PRR :smiley:

Here only very urgent tings are accepted at the hospital, the most of the doctors and paramedic are engaged with the infection

There is a new ordinance in my town, € 500 fine to those who leave the house without a mask or, in any case, something that covers the nose and mouth, even a handkerchief is accepted

Our governor is starting to talk about planning about restarting the activities, but he has warned us that he intends to plan now to be ready for when it will be possible to reopen, but on when this can happen, he reserve the decision to the health authority (which for the moment is still busy dealing with the emergency)

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on April 07, 2020, 12:20:53 am
> Here only very urgent tings are accepted at the hospital, the most of the doctors and paramedic are engaged with the infection

This is the largest hospital in my county. We have (this morning) only two cases of COVID in this county. So they are not YET busy with COVID treatment. I am sure they will be.

This date was in the doctor's "office" (really a clinic) away from the surgery and critical-care building. And he is not trained much on virus or respiratory trouble. So he may as well take care of me (and keep money flowing in). But when the "crunch" hits I am sure he and his staff will be doing everything they possibly can to support the "flu" doctors.

I had another appointment which required mild anesthesia; that was cancelled.

They set up tents in the back of the parking lot. I suspect drive-through testing.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on April 07, 2020, 04:42:52 am
The rate of new cases seems to be leveling off in Italy and in other locations, including some U.S. States. Some fascinating statistical charts are on this page:
http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/covid19/ (http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/covid19/)
Not in those charts, but Vietnam is an interesting case - they took aggressive lock down measures very early and have fewer than 250 cases. I hope that areas, such as rural Maine, that so far have few cases can maintain vigilance and avoid a steep rise. Normally I revel in the fierce independence of my fellow rural New Englanders, but this is one case where I am toeing the line.
Stay safe, all. 
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 08, 2020, 02:51:35 am
Ciao PRR - bmccowan   :smiley:

Here they are talking about which will be the first industry that will open and the way to do it, but not tomorrow, of course, the date will be (hypothetically) 15 of april first tranche and 4 of may for other ativities and, maybe, people

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Abbiamo (stamattina) solo due casi di COVID in questa contea.

I hope the increase in your county will be small and go very slowly so hospital can afford the emergency the better way

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They set up tents in the back of the parking lot. I suspect drive-through testing.

Near for sure that is the reason, they did the same here with that purpose

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The rate of new cases seems to be leveling off in Italy and in other locations, including some U.S. States.

That is a not simple affair, all depends on the way they take acount of the numbers and the number of controls they do, as told, not a simple affair, let's see how it will evolve

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I hope that areas, such as rural Maine, that so far have few cases can maintain vigilance and avoid a steep rise

all I can do is join in and hope for the same thing

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Stay safe, all


Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on April 08, 2020, 07:11:10 am
Thanks Franco, keep on keepin' on.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on April 08, 2020, 02:17:46 pm
Yes, Maine north of Portland may miss the whip-crack of more densely populated areas.

This story (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/04/06/i-dont-have-coronavirus-it-might-kill-me-anyway-163101) touches me. The author has a medical crisis very much like mine. The treatment drug will burn skin so the nurse must mask-up. Where he lives, they do not have enough masks. The alternative is surgery to take out a lot of his pee-plumbing. But then they needed a COVID test before he could schedule surgery, and he can't get one. So it seems likely that next winter(?) when they can handle "normal" work again, his tumor will be too far along even for surgery.

So I am grateful my hospital still had the mask for my nurse, this time. I'm scheduled for two more infusions but obviously "plans may change".
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on April 08, 2020, 02:33:36 pm
PRR - Best of luck with your treatments. I am sending the link to that story to a sister-in-law who is a nurse in a different North Carolina hospital. They were hoping to get more masks and more tests this week. She would help if she can. I recognize the problem as they operated on a man last week who could not be tested. Later when they got more testing supplies, he tested positive as did most who worked on his case. That sidelined more than a dozen medical staff.
As always stay safe.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on April 08, 2020, 03:36:26 pm
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So it seems likely that next winter
when we start all over since it's "assumed" to be an annualized microscopic thing
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: DummyLoad on April 08, 2020, 04:01:04 pm
Yes, Maine north of Portland may miss the whip-crack of more densely populated areas.

This story (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/04/06/i-dont-have-coronavirus-it-might-kill-me-anyway-163101) touches me. The author has a medical crisis very much like mine. The treatment drug will burn skin so the nurse must mask-up. Where he lives, they do not have enough masks. The alternative is surgery to take out a lot of his pee-plumbing. But then they needed a COVID test before he could schedule surgery, and he can't get one. So it seems likely that next winter(?) when they can handle "normal" work again, his tumor will be too far along even for surgery.

So I am grateful my hospital still had the mask for my nurse, this time. I'm scheduled for two more infusions but obviously "plans may change".


wishing you and yours all the best.

--pete
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 09, 2020, 08:36:27 am
Hi Friends

I'm sad reading you

I'll pray for all you

Wishing you and yours all the best

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on April 09, 2020, 05:00:20 pm
PRR, I did forward that article to my nurse sister-in-law and her surgeon husband in North Carolina. He got back to me and said that the typical protocol there is to perform urgent surgery which is defined as surgery that is necessary to avoid a permanent medical problem that would occur if surgery is not done within 4 weeks. It seems there would be an argument for that. But of course, the best outcome is the treatment that avoids surgery.
The article, and you, make a very valid point about the medical crises affecting far more people than those testing positive. I have a heart condition and got a round of testing in just before the poop hit the fan. Fortunately the testing turned up nothing urgent - not sure where I'd be if it had.
Not much can be done about my personality disorder though.
And Franco, I pray when I walk in the woods (most days) and you are there with me too.
Stay safe and smile,
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on April 09, 2020, 06:03:11 pm
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about the medical crises
Pam got the ok for bum hand, pulled a 12, bored (very unusual here), CT has been prioritized for Pos cases to evaluate lungs; liver,....., problems wait  :think1:

we need grown ups to start driving the bus
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 11, 2020, 04:51:36 pm
Today we had the news

USA is being the highest death number covid-19 country

Stay safe friends, be at home the more you can

I wish health to all you

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on April 11, 2020, 07:16:00 pm
Yay!! We beat Italy!!  :sad2:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on April 11, 2020, 07:46:06 pm
Per Capita ?

I'm too lazy to check  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on April 11, 2020, 08:54:16 pm
No. The US is bigger than Italy. But the US is still rising fast and apparently endlessly, while Italy at this point had hope of leveling out (as it did).

In Maine, there have been very few proven cases north of Portland; but now we hear it is probably all through the state, everywhere.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 12, 2020, 07:34:53 am
There is a study that say that the virus rides railways and highways (here)

but if it is confirmed, I think the same thing is happening everywhere

Stay safe all

Franco

Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on April 12, 2020, 08:03:17 am
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apparently endlessly
I would agree there, no way to analyze dinosaur spit, but I'd wager on those odds.
grief in all forms is a tough hand, regardless it's assigned name.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on April 12, 2020, 08:50:13 am
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In Maine, there have been very few proven cases north of Portland; but now we hear it is probably all through the state, everywhere.
It seems so - even "The County" (Aroostook) now has a couple of cases. A friend's daughter in Kennebec county has it. The ER sent her home with the instruction to monitor her blood oxygen level. They did not have a finger monitor to lend, so she has ordered one from that really big river place. She is in her 30s and healthy but even still she says it feels like an elephant is sitting on her chest.
One of the problems in rural areas is that people know of only a few local cases and let down their guard.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on April 12, 2020, 01:31:07 pm
Location -Confirmed-Cases per 1M people-Recovered-Deaths
Worldwide    1,807,939   232.51   415,218   112,241
USA            535,703   1,625.53   32,276   21,411
Spain    166,019   3,524.79   62,391   16,972
Italy    156,363   2,595.52   34,211   19,899
Germany    126,472   1,521.02   52,881   2,908
France    95,403   1,422.31   27,186   14,393
UK            84,279   1,268.58   ———   10,612
China    82,052   58.52   77,575   3,339
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on April 12, 2020, 01:37:35 pm
Sorted cases/1Million, the teeny countries take the prize. I wonder if the population is too close together, or if the health authorities can account for EVERY person so their numbers are more realistic. (Population of San Marino must be 34k, like the small city inland from me.) (Ah! San Marino is a 4-mile wide town right IN the Milan-Venice-Florence hot-spot. Even if they built a wall across highway SS72 into town they could not seal that place.)

San Marino 10,603
Andorra 7,750
Luxembourg 5,326
Iceland 4,636
Gibraltar 3,827
Faroe Islands 3,530
Spain 3,524
Guernsey 3,328
Switzerland 2,938
Isle of Man 2,712
Italy 2,595
Belgium 2,572
Monaco 2,402
Liechtenstein 2,038
Jersey 1,853
Ireland 1,814
United States 1,625
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on April 12, 2020, 03:12:08 pm
..... even "The County" (Aroostook) now has a couple of cases....

That's been true for a couple days. Makes perfect sense; the County is connected to the US and well-connected to Canada.

The only county without a confirmed case is Piscataquis. I thought since the lumber industry faded Piscataquis was only hikers, bear, and moose. It turns out it has people... but half as many as San Marino in 160 times as much space.

This is on the island in Hancock county:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on April 12, 2020, 03:43:40 pm
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turns out it has people
and they blew the annual budget on signage  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 16, 2020, 09:19:07 am
Ciao Amici :smiley:

Today the newspaper say (around my town)

100 new infected (yes, not a big number, also if unwanted)

and ......

3 people that healed and became negative, at a check they made themselves positive again

and this isn't a good news  :sad:

--

My best wishes to all you

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: tubenit on April 16, 2020, 11:03:39 am
Franco,

Thanks for your continued updates!  I am truly sad the issue is so severe where you are.  Praying you and your family will remain well and healthy and in reasonably good spirits.

Best regards,  Jeff
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on April 16, 2020, 11:29:15 am
> 3 people that healed and became negative, at a check they made themselves positive again

I do not like that. I think we do not know anything without a LOT more testing. However we can't test everybody. And now it looks like either the test is flawed, or the virus comes back (does not give immunity).

We have a phenomena here. "Old Folks Homes" usually manage illness inside the facility, not calling the hospital for every cough, not making a big deal when a resident dies (most are expected to die soon). But in the last week a couple nursing homes have "collapsed". When tested the majority of residents and staff are ill, some seriously, and the state case-counter had no clue. So a sudden one-day jump in cases.

It could be a 'false positive'. When I was young, tuberculosis was a concern. One of the old-time TB treatments has other effects and is used for several things, I am getting big doses. Apparently now if there is another TB scare I have to tell medics that I will test false-positive for TB. Of course there is Chicken Pox, lying dormant in the body for 40 years and then coming back as Shingles. (varicella, herpes zoster)

Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on April 16, 2020, 11:52:40 am
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does not give immunity

I'm now on my 5th round of identical symptoms that began 12/8, last 10-12 days, good as new for 3 weeks, then....... round 5 is kickin my ass!  since there's no cure for the cold virus, guessing this one finds a home in 'that class'.  Our dictator deluxe banned "outside the box ideas",  get phone time on Monday with the Doc in a box, via flip-phone  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 16, 2020, 01:43:55 pm
Thanks Jeff

Ciao PRR & Shooter

Really, at the moment, is very difficult to establish what happen

Was a false negative before ? Is a false positive now ? Is that is possible to be reinfected ?

don't know

However this days I was reading that there are for some time now there have been many variants of the virus, China has its own, Europe others and they should be also different in America

this thing of the variants (which are known to be a common thing for example in the flu) naturally makes it difficult to get a vaccine and / or immunity for having already contracted the disease and having previously overcome it ....

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on April 16, 2020, 02:26:45 pm
Yup, learned in some class long ago when you have no control, become like a sparrow  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 16, 2020, 06:05:46 pm
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... become like a sparrow ...

............... Jack ?

(https://i.imgur.com/XzgrRtH.jpg)

 :icon_biggrin:

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on April 17, 2020, 12:31:25 am
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Five Hancock County coronavirus cases reported; emergency order extended into May
"There are many predictive models out there, some that actually say that the surge will hit us as early as next week and some that put it as far out as June and July," said Dr. James Jarvis.... "We tend to follow the one that the state is using and that would put us somewhere around the 14th to the 21st of April."
Shah said on Tuesday that the peak of cases is generally evident only "in retrospect."
Shah has repeatedly stressed that the number of confirmed cases is "only the tip of the iceberg," and that without large-scale testing, residents must assume the virus is everywhere.
"The numbers that Dr. Shah presents every day — when we say it’s new cases, it’s really new test results as opposed to new cases," she said later.
https://www.ellsworthamerican.com/maine-news/health-news/five-hancock-county-coronavirus-cases-reported-emergency-order-extended-into-may/

So..... we may peak in the next few days, and we may not be sure for a long time after. Also 90% of the folks in Maine live way down south of "here", are getting it from Boston and NYC(!), and it may take a while to seep this far up in the woods. Our hospitals are very busy but not yet in crisis (we have more than enough machines and almost enough workers and masks).

Still NO known cases in Piscataquis county.

In other news: "Maine's annual moose (shooting) permit lottery, which was to have been staged live in front of a large crowd in Jackman in June, has been switched to a 'virtual' format instead due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic."

AND- My uncle had some kind of crisis, took to hospital, tests tests tests, he gets bypass surgery Friday (a few hours from now), stays in hospital at least a week after. In best of times this is troubling; and this is not a good time to hang-out in the hospital for any reason.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: DummyLoad on April 17, 2020, 12:46:20 am
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It could be a 'false positive'. When I was young, tuberculosis was a concern. One of the old-time TB treatments has other effects and is used for several things, I am getting big doses. Apparently now if there is another TB scare I have to tell medics that I will test false-positive for TB. Of course there is Chicken Pox, lying dormant in the body for 40 years and then coming back as Shingles. (varicella, herpes zoster)


Hoping you and yours are well Franco! 

i too test false-positive for TB - lived in africa when was young, although we were vaccinated, we were exposed. like you, i have to declare that. WHO issued a directive in 2011 to NOT rely solely on antibody/antigen blood test as validation for ACTIVE TB. article link below.

https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2011/tb_20110720/en/ (https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2011/tb_20110720/en/)

--pete
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on April 17, 2020, 10:03:55 am
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test false-positive
Mines malaria, the Navy still used live ones to "prevent" getting it, that was a 3 day delirium no drug I've ever sampled in my youth could touch  :huh:
Since then I was banned for life donating blood  :cussing:
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on April 17, 2020, 10:50:30 am
> reinfected ?   ...  variants of the virus

COVID-19 FAQs (https://nextstrain.org/help/coronavirus/FAQ#is-one-strain-of-the-covid-19-virus-more-severe) from Nextstrain (https://nextstrain.org/)
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: tubenit on April 24, 2020, 07:32:57 am
Franco,

How are you and your family doing now?  Any updates on your situation and city?

Best regards, Jeff
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 25, 2020, 07:34:44 am
Ciao Jeff

Un saluto a tutti gli amici

My family and I, fortunately, are still all in health

I hope for all you the same

This days I had a bit of ... scomfort because of the quarantine long periode, but I feel a bit better

I didn't posted updates this days because I'm waiting the decision of our govern

In this days they decide the regime we will have (which activities will be open, where we can go and with wich prescriptions)

Also there is an important thing to see, the decision about people over 60-65 years, the president Von der Leyen  (President of the European Commission) didn't want we go out of house before the end of the year, but may be (I hope) our government will apply different rules, I'll let you know the decision

Not that I want to go out without a mask and gloves and without applying caution, but I sincerely hope to be able to move at least a little

With a little advance with the date 4 may our governor gived the free way to some activities

--

In my region (Veneto) yesterday

Less hospitalized, 6,306 healed, 18 death (only one death in my Town)

In my Town, Treviso

of the previous positive 930 now negative, now 1,254 infected currently positive

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: tubenit on April 25, 2020, 12:11:12 pm
Franco,

THANKS for the update!  Stay safe and healthy, my friend! I'm rooting for you to get thru this and continue to enjoy the blessings of life.

So much is undefined here in the U.S. also regarding openings.

Best regards,  Jeff
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on April 25, 2020, 03:26:37 pm
> people over 60-65 years, the president ...didn't want we go out of house before the end of the year

In my state, nobody stops me from going out of the house. In fact we are encouraged to go shoot a turkey. The rules for tagging/reporting our kills are greatly relaxed. We can phone-in our count instead of having to go to a Game Station (the back door of the beer+bait shop) to show our birds. (Which is less data for the state to set bag-limits next year, but we have LOTs of turkeys this year and it isn't important.)

We "had" to mail a package (sold something online) so we just drove out to the post office. We were not required to mask-up but I put a scarf over nose/mouth. The first post office, and the beer/snacks shop next to it, were locked. We went into town, got in a PO, then ran into the small supermarket for snacks. Aisles are 1-way so shoppers are not head-on to each other. Got a big cheesecake. Touched a box of cookies, realized it was not the right flavor, but did not put it back, bought it anyway. There's marks at the checkout to keep us apart. There's a clear shield so I do not cough on the cashier. I pay by card, and do not even touch the keypad.

OH!! This week there was toilet paper on the shelf! I did not count how many or what the per-person limit is (we are OK for now).

Drive-through food places are doing their usual business. I think there are people who only eat take-out food. Many of the "decent" food places take phone orders and curb pick-up. Road traffic is maybe 1/3rd of usual for this time of year. Even less on my road. Most of the normal traffic on my road is really people going around traffic on the highway, but the highway is not crowded now.

I did not see any police while I was out. Normally I might or might not see a cop-car on that trip. Certainly nobody getting stopped and asked for a Reason.

(There is one guy in the state charged with unessential travel. He was starting a fight while violating parole with a gun and drugs, and they added Violating Quarantine to the charges. Funny thing is they will not want to send him back to prison, even for a day, because after old-folk homes the prisons are the best breeding-places for Corona. A lot of minor offenders are being sent home to get more space in the prison.)

I say I am living week to week. But nothing really changes in a week. The Diagnosed and Death counts for the state go up slowly. Testing is getting better. Hospital intensive-care units are actually emptier than usual because "elective" work has been cancelled. Including a procedure I need, not now, but this year? (We can't know the urgency until we look.)

> ... the end of the year

Past week-to-week, I think that is where we are headed. People in Georgia are going out for hair and nail trims and other "unessential" shopping, and I think next month a LOT of them will be sick, and a large number will be gasping for life in over-worked hospitals. If it is bad enough then a lot of areas will enact stricter stay-home lock-down and actually enforce it.  We *may* have 10% infected in the last month; at that rate it will take a year for the bug to run out of new hosts.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on April 25, 2020, 04:33:29 pm
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In my state
:laugh:
I finally got to buy a lawn mower!!!  be here Tuesday, AND my brother can use a motor on his boat, still can't go to your cottage (mines on wheels:) life's good  :icon_biggrin:

prior to world 3, the daily passing in USA was ~ 8,000/day, looks like this will get a category and bring that average to ~8100 - 8200/day, least for 2020. 
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on April 25, 2020, 05:38:26 pm
Went for a motorcycle ride today. More bikes on the road than cars. A restaurant near us decided to become a curbside grocery store. Seems like a great way to go. Very little contact. Pay on line, pickup on the front porch. Limited selection, but good stuff. Beef pork lamb salmon haddock and good variety of veges - staying away from the supermarket.
Doing some maintenance on an old Valco National Sportsman I repaired years ago. Very cool amp - 6Sc7>6SL7>2x6V6.
Franco, PRR, Shooter, Tubenit, and others - be well, and don't drink the Lysol.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: tubenit on April 26, 2020, 08:13:56 am
Well, I'm doing my own work replacing windows on the house, refinishing furniture, fishing when weather allows, bike rides about 5x/wk, tons of yardwork including in the woods behind me, cleaning gutters, waxing the cars, repainting my boat and the outboard motor, tweaking two amps, recording mediocre jazz, practicing my pretend gourmet cooking, ………. and either this week or next week, I'll power wash my driveway again. 

 :icon_biggrin: :icon_biggrin:       Life is good and I'm staying busy!  Still doing social distancing. 

Jeff

For those of you/us that like to cook ……………. check out the British Home Cooking Show.  It's a hoot and quite endearing!  Totally different then the full tilt brutal "Iron Chef" stuff you see. 
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on April 26, 2020, 05:47:07 pm
Lordy Tubenit! That's a whole bunch of progress. Some friends of mine love that British show - I need to check it out.
More cases and more deaths in elderly care facilities around here - so sad.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: DummyLoad on April 26, 2020, 07:23:17 pm
Franco, you doing OK?


--Pete
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on April 27, 2020, 03:23:24 am
Ciao Amici

We are still all well at home but in healt

I (and all us here) we were hoping that the claimed Phase 2 will give us a bit of more liberty

Unfortunately Phase 2 looks like a fake news, only some activities are re open and only small permissions to the movement of people

---

Numbers are slowly decreasing

--

My best wishes to all of you

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on May 03, 2020, 01:39:50 pm
Tomorrow we enter in Phase 2

We will see what will happen

Also Hospital will be open for planned exams and terapies (if they have a certain urgency), not only covid-19 patients

The number of infected in my province, at the moment, is around 1,000, death 7

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on May 03, 2020, 07:46:09 pm
Note that Maine is at least a month behind Italy. You were in crisis before we had our first case. We are up to 50+ total dead. A third of that in old-folk homes. Even if you lock the residents in their rooms, the staff and dishes carry germs around, and it turns out that many of the staff work multiple homes so pretty much ALL our old-folk homes got Corona the same week.

Maine may be leveling out. Can not be sure because there are not so many people in the state, so not many sick, so the data is small and erratic.

We now have hair-cuts, ONLY if everybody has mask and gown changed for every customer. Also dog-grooming but the groomer has a shop-leash so the owner-leash does not enter the shop. Remote billing/payment.

The tattoo shops are crying. For the last 10+ years they have been HIGHLY germ-control, because blood, because AIDS and other germs, and they say they also know respiratory germs. I can't see tattoos as "essential" but I agree they may as well do some work with precautions they already observe.

I now must wear a mask for food shop or at doctor. I will go tomorrow for a small pre-planned treatment. I go through an entry-check, they ask where I have been and check my temperature, and I get a hall-pass.

We in the US have not been seeing pictures from inside hospitals, or overwhelmed undertakers, because of privacy laws and general reluctance to publish sick people. A few shocking images have leaked. We also see images from other places, though it is not always clear the same things are happening here.

A lot of people here have "cabin fever". In Maine we don't go out much all winter. Which drags into April. And now we are supposed to stay home, and there's nowhere to go. And a lot of people are hurting for lack of income.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on May 03, 2020, 08:32:55 pm
Ciao PRR

There was and there is a similar situation here

Lot of death in the retirement homes for the elderly, much more that one can belive

Hair Cuts are not yet allowed here, only dog grooming is permitted (till 17 may, then we will see)

In my region (Veneto) we can go out of house only with mask and gloves (or you must have with you disinfectant), now you can run (being apart from other people) without mask, but when you stop to run and you walk you must immediately put on

Unfortunately we have seen a lot of photo and small movies of the situation inside hospitals and intensive care units and also one with many black bags ...... These things are for people who are not clear what is going on and must see to believe and respect quarantine, not for you or me

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... And a lot of people are hurting for lack of income.

I'm distressed for my son's job, because he got (with a mortgage to pay) a new house (he and his wife are living in a very small one at the moment) and his old car is definitively out of service, so he ordered a new one, all this happened just days before of this big problem with the virus
My son job was for years sound technician and he has been hired as coordinator of that business since a couple of years
The bad thing is that here all the spectacle activities are stopped and will still be so for many, many months, so no salary, to make matters worse is that his wife works in the same place

I wish you all to stay healthy and get to the end of this thing without problems

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on May 03, 2020, 08:58:00 pm
> you can run (being apart from other people) without mask, but when you stop to run and you walk you must immediately put on

Different places.

Here most of the Parks (mostly large wooded areas) are closed because everybody in a 1,000 square mile park is on a few 2 foot wide trails and breathing hard.

Aislinn, a reporter for the newspaper here goes on a hike EVERY week. (She writes it up and videotapes it on the newspaper blog and column.) This week her hike was "My Back Yard". (She does have a large back yard.)

Like Aislinn we have several acres, and a larger neighbor's land which is mostly empty. I don't run, but I could, and stop, and have nobody for a half-mile around.

Different problem: in this time of "stay in", we have a stay-in living under the house. We have seen a rabbit in the yard, but it smells like skunk. We hear it scratching. The big dog hears it through the floor. I hope it is not having kittens.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on May 03, 2020, 09:16:24 pm
Yes, total collapse of 'live performances'. From bar bands to tax seminars, and the bars and conference rooms, and the light and sound persons. Weddings cancelled; and Maine Coast is a beautiful place for a wedding.

(But one couple got married in the bank drive-through. The bank official pronounced the wedding through the window and speaker. The family stood apart in the parking lot and cheered.)

My only minor advice: cancel the car. I *predict* a collapse of car prices. I bought a car in 8/2001. 2 weeks later was 9/11, airplanes into skyscrapers. I drove my new car to work where I could distantly see the WTC, and the smoke. Everybody stopped buying cars. 2 months later I could have got that car for 15% less. Although it is now legal to buy a car in Maine, I bet nobody is buying in this uncertainty.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on May 11, 2020, 06:57:27 am
Franco,
We are getting reports of mixed results from Italy's modest relaxing of regulations. Is it going OK from your perspective? - I hope so. We are beginning the same here in the US, with individual states making their decisions on timing and such. A lot hangs in the balance.
Friends of mine had a ZOOM wedding conducted from the front porch of a cottage in Boothbay Harbor Maine, complete with a dancing reception. They actually thought it a blast and avoided a lot of work!
Here's hoping all on this thread are doing well.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on May 14, 2020, 02:30:30 pm
Hello friends

Here and in good health I am (thankfully)

Here new rules were diffused but ..... there is confusion because some are too restrictive and others impractical to be applied

The governors of the regions are trying to have permission to modify (according with situation and exsigency of every region) the rules

but all is now under discussion, so I can't say which will be the new applied rules, must wait a few (I hope only a few) other days

--

About marriage celebrations also here they are suspended, may be next week it will be possible to have some with some restrictions about numbers and distances

Of course marriages in great style I think will not be allowed, so no work for my son, he works for great events like large concerts, but also "big" mariages (like when he was as sound tecnichan at the George Clooney marriage in Venice)

For such things I think we have to wait way more time

At the moment the virus is in recession in our region (veneto 4.9 million of peoples) yesterday "only" 35 new infected and 11 death

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on May 14, 2020, 04:03:42 pm
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so no work for my son

big problem here also
where I live it's become politics so most folk are just going about life like it was 2019 sideways  :laugh:

an example;
our lumber store (Lowe's) is trying to help the people AND play by the "rules"
so, go in the fall left side, come out the far right side
I was there yesterday and 90% of the customers just said "thanks" as they went in whatever door worked best, myself included 
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on May 18, 2020, 05:12:02 pm
Today there was a lot of people around

many people respected rules and use the mask, some didn't (there are always and anywere stupids)

Finally I go out and had the possibility to do some thing that ware waiting to be done

--

Now the phase of recriminations has begun, people and entrepreneurs are on a war footing for the decisions taken by the government, some are against the reopening, others consider that the reopening is subject to too many restrictions

In the end a great confusion and I think it will be like this for a long time

Fortunately in my province only 5 new infected, 41 people are hospitalized and only 1 is in intensive care

The bad thing is that it has emerged (throughout the state) that many people who have all the symptoms, even serious, are negative for the coronavirus swab, but by carrying out a thorough examination of the fluid in the pulmonary interstices, the presence of the virus is revealed

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on May 18, 2020, 05:25:07 pm
about the same on this side the pond
Pam commented after buying groceries how much meat prices jumped
a lot of folk in my area don't have much faith in politics or those that get jobs in the field.  Most everyone I know gets out everyday, try's to live life instead of just existing.  Michigan has made Marijuana legal, it's been setting records for government taxes  :think1:

the mask thing is a quandary, we've had them since 1918, but just decided they were a must in 2020  :dontknow:  Glad they help people with fear, I find fear to be worse for some than what initiated the fear in the first place.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on May 19, 2020, 08:26:05 pm
> many people who have all the symptoms, even serious, are negative for the coronavirus swab, but by carrying out a thorough examination of the fluid in the pulmonary interstices, the presence of the virus is revealed

{sigh} I had not heard that, but I believe you are right.

> Michigan has made Marijuana legal, it's been setting records for government taxes

Hard liquor is "essential", even here in Maine which was a pioneer in the Prohibition movement a century ago. Yes, the state needs the taxes. Maine has been making pot less-illegal for 30 years. But "open sale" has been hung-up in the legislature since 2016, and it is not going to happen this year.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on May 22, 2020, 05:30:22 pm
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> many people who have all the symptoms, even serious, are negative for the coronavirus swab, but by carrying out a thorough examination of the fluid in the pulmonary interstices, the presence of the virus is revealed
Yikes - that is scary.
I just took a drive through rural New Hampshire. A popular ice cream stand was packed. People right on top of each other; no masks. I agree with people (me too) getting outside and not huddling in fear, but that seems like rolling the dice in a high stakes game.
Wishing good health for all.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on May 22, 2020, 08:37:04 pm
the mask thing is a quandary, we've had them since 1918, but just decided they were a must in 2020  :dontknow: 

In the US, wearing a mask is anti-social. Has even been illegal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_law

In large parts of Asia, the last 20 years, a mask has been routine street-wear for many people in cold and hay-fever seasons, or for air pollution.

6 years ago: https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/why-do-japanese-people-wear-surgical-masks-its-not-always-for-health-reasons

(https://c7.alamy.com/comp/R1TE3F/street-scene-with-people-wearing-face-masks-on-motorbikes-and-scooters-to-protect-against-air-pollution-on-a-busy-urban-road-hanoi-vietnam-asia-R1TE3F.jpg)
Street scene with people wearing face masks on motorbikes and scooters to protect against air pollution on a busy urban road. Hanoi, Vietnam, Asia
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on May 23, 2020, 09:35:43 am
Masks -
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Glad they help people with fear.
I imagine that they do help some people calm their fears. But the fear they actually affect is the fear of spreading it to someone else. I am not a person who lives in fear. I'm well past 60, have been riding motorcycles since I was 14, ski raced for a decade, etc. But I can tell you that I am being damn careful. There is a difference. On my bike I watch all drivers closely to see if they are seeing me, or playing with their phone. I now shop delivery or curbside, because I'm being careful not because I'm afraid. This morning I read 3 articles claiming that this whole situation is not so bad, and we are letting it cripple us. But, I also read the obituary of a friend of my wife. Early 50s, no risk factors, got the virus was recovering when it came back and took her life. And I also got an email from my sister - a friend and co-worker of hers got the virus, turned septic, and in an attempt to save her life, both feet were amputated. So this situation is "so bad." Most of the things I hear it compared to, heart disease, cancer, vehicle accidents are not contagious. Nor do we have much of a role in controlling societal rates of those things. For Covid-19 we don't need to live in fear, but its our duty to be very careful, especially of others, and smart. It appears to me that there are a lot of people who are doing neither.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on May 23, 2020, 05:17:26 pm
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It appears to me that there are a lot of people who are doing neither.

Pam & I spent the day at the big lake, it was like 2019  :laugh:
everyone was enjoying life, even some brave souls swimming in the 50degree water!
we did walk in it for a 1/2 mile before deciding it's cold!
The only masked folk were law enforcement and govmnt workers, everyone else was in summer attire  :thumbsup:

You can go septic from most any wound that gets infected, not just the wuFlu, and hospitals have been the #1 place for at least the 30yrs I was working in 'em
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on May 23, 2020, 07:42:57 pm
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You can go septic from most any wound that gets infected, and hospitals have been the #1 place for at least the 30yrs I was working in 'em
all true, and I have other friends with missing limbs to prove it. But she lost her feet due to this virus, and my wife's friend lost her life due to this virus. If you die from a motorcycle accident (like I could) the fact that you could also die from heart failure does not change the cause of death. People should enjoy life, including during this situation. Today I went for a long bicycle ride, put that bike away and hopped on the Moto Guzzi for a longer ride. Since the mask and social distancing are there to protect others, not yourself, I find the disregard for others safety to be alarming. I don't agree with lock-downs but I do agree with being respectful and responsible - its the way I was raised.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on May 24, 2020, 07:46:37 am
I just saw this quote on the Adafruit Industries site:
“ Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood. Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less.”
Marie Curie
Perfect!
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on May 24, 2020, 07:48:40 am
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protect others, not yourself,

I find this part the hardest, as humans protect yourself from danger,  don't force others to protect you.  If you have adequate protection, then "I" cannot harm you.

It's been that way since, well, caveman?
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: sluckey on May 24, 2020, 08:04:31 am
If you live with someone that has COPD it's very easy to protect others.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on May 24, 2020, 08:23:23 am
Well stated Sluckey. And that's about respect and responsibility, not force.
Shooter I understand and agree with the objection to "force." But when out on a motorcycle or bicycle, or just walking on the side of the road, one cannot protect oneself against the texting or drunk driver. And we cannot rely much on the force of law in those circumstance. One must hope for and even ask for responsible actions by others. I already feel like too much a hermit right now without having to constantly protect myself from others' thoughtless actions. It's been that way since we left the caves.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on May 24, 2020, 10:19:34 am
it's really a circular argument.
I have stage 3 COPD, I do NOT feel it's anyone's responsibility to "protect me".
My Dad passed about a month ago, had 3 cancers he chose to ignore for 15 years and did quite well,  Hospice Doc agreed he probably had a viral infection that sped up his end, most of us that helped him counted it a Blessing that he suffered less.
 
I don't wear a mask because my O2 drops by 4 #'s and I like those 4 #'s  :laugh:
and how is it that my Son, pre, was working, paying his way, now he is a "ward of the state" since he's not essential.  He's no longer able to take care of himself, so he's no longer able to help others, kinda bassakward in my world.

last year when 30k folk died from viral complications, why didn't we care, I keep looping on that.
You do what you can, when you can, but we cannot be held liable for "act's of God"
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on May 25, 2020, 06:55:05 am
Franco - in the news today it seems that progress continues to be made in Italy. Although the North still struggles more than other regions it seems. I see blood testing for anti-bodies is beginning there - hoping for the best possible outcome on that.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on May 30, 2020, 04:35:26 am
Dear Friends

I'm sad reading what happened and is happening in your country

Here seems that the virus is going down, but less on north Italy than in south Italy, someone is thinking to a sort of genetic difference between people that lives on nort and south

Next mounth we will be permitted to go on street witout mask if there are few people, we must go on with it if there are assembraments and at the shop and markets

Here young people seems to be too laid-back, they say the virus is not so dangerous for them, but here we are expecting in two or tree weeks a new peak between their parents (that aren't so young and will be infected from sons and daughters)

Our governor planned a plasma bank collected from healed people to be used on october when, near for surely, the infection will rise

What to say, stay well my friends, stay in healt, try to do what you can as to avoid contamination and to contamine others, life isn' a so bad thing

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on May 30, 2020, 06:20:56 am
Franco,
Thanks for your thoughts. I and others appreciate hearing from you on the virus. For me partly because I love your country and partly because since Italy peaked before the U.S. there are lessons to be learned. I hope good progress is made in both countries. Here there is also a division, or maybe several, as to the seriousness of the situation and best courses of action. I will not go into the politics of that as it tends to stir up controversy beyond the intentions of this forum. Tensions are now very high in this country as you are likely seeing in the news. The virus and racial tensions at the same time is a tragic mix.
Plasma bank seems promising as a helpful step prior to a vaccine being developed.
I join you in wishing health for all and hope all are able to contribute to not further spreading the virus.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: DummyLoad on June 19, 2020, 12:28:46 am
franco, how are you doing? hope all is well. texas is opening back up slowly. a mistake IMO, but folks do need to earn a living.

--pete
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on June 24, 2020, 11:15:49 am
Ciao Pete

Sorry I replied only now

My son and his wife got an old house with a 40m2 sheet metal warehouse and I'm helping him to renovate it and to make it usable for working on it even in winter

So I'm lost on that activity

About the infection, at the moment, here (in Veneto, my region) apparently things are going better and people goes around, many activities are open and you can go there with mask and gloves disinfecting gloves at the entrance (in other places you have to disinfect your hands to enter and no gloves is required)

They say that there are currently less than 20,000 infected people throughout Italy

But some experts say to be on guard and expect a recurrence of the infection, some say that an additional quarantine period of at least 60 days should be done and be done soon if you want to avoid large numbers of infected in October - November

So it is difficult to understand what the real and actual situation is

Stay well my friend / my friends

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: bmccowan on June 26, 2020, 08:05:15 pm
Franco,
Good to hear from you man. Recent and current experience here is showing that if you open up carefully, it can work. But if it's "Yahoo! lets party" there is trouble to be had. People are confused as to what to do, and some of the consequences are tragically sad. If ever the phrase, "lets get our act together" fit; it is now. So lets all get our acts together.
Stay safe and happy all.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on July 03, 2020, 10:52:34 pm
No good news

Monday our Governor (region Veneto) will give us new comportment indications

The infection level changed from 0,43 to 1,63

and that isn't a good thing

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on July 04, 2020, 02:02:33 pm
"The governor of the Veneto region, Luca Zaia, who had ceased the daily covid-19 press conferences on 30 June after 130 days, once again summoned journalists on 3 July and was furious.
""We have gone from low risk to high risk. We have a RT of 1.63%. I don't know whom to congratulate. If we keep going around without using masks, and we keep thinking that the conspiracies are right and the virus is an invention, it is inevitable".
"The contagion figures, based on the famous "R with t", went from 0.43 to 1.63.
"“I tell you I saw a young man with two lungs transplanted because Covid destroyed them. We have encephalitis, heart problems, kidney problems, people who have lost mobility. This is a virus that hurts. Don't ask yourselves whether the virus will be back or not, because we already have it here,” continued the governor.
"Zaia is enraged. He stated, "Thanks to someone's irresponsible behaviour we have new cases. We have 5 positive cases ... that have determined isolation for almost 80 people. A gentleman returned on June 25th from a business trip to Serbia, and symptoms appeared immediately. The next day he was in contact with many people, including at a private party, business meetings and a funeral. Just three days later, on the 28th, he went to the hospital and was offered hospitalization. This gentleman refused. He refused? The hospitalization must be forced. He is now in intensive care. He gave us a list of contacts from the 23rd to the 30th of June, which means that even with the positive swab he was in close contact with others".
"A new, more strict ordinance for the Veneto Region is expected to be enforced on Monday."

https://www.wantedinrome.com/news/coronavirus-in-italy-fears-return-to-the-veneto-zaia-now-we-are-at-high-risk.html
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on July 04, 2020, 03:28:00 pm
I fear this is how it is going to be. Every time we let the kids out of the cellar to go to the bar and neck, one mildly ill kid's covid will spread to everybody's elders.

Lockdown ordered for 200,000 in northeastern Spain due to Covid-19 outbreaks
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/04/europe/lockdown-lleida-province-spain-coronavirus-outbreaks-intl/index.html

Florida ...Miami-Dade and Broward County reach record high level of cases
...residents are "not listening" as numbers soared to 2,418 new cases in his city.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-14-percent-coronavirus-positivity-rate

Miami-Dade County ...halted the reopenings of ...casinos and strip clubs.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/seven-us-states-post-record-covid-19-cases-curfew-ordered-in-miami-2256886
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: sluckey on July 04, 2020, 05:25:16 pm
Shit! University of Alabama students are having covid parties. A person that has tested positive attends the parties. All party goers put some money in a pot. The first one to get covid wins the pot! How brazenly stupid is that? These are the people that will be running this country if anything survives. I hope they all win!
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on July 04, 2020, 05:35:06 pm
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if anything survives

should be a few, MI numbers for dying are dropping like a rock as the positive testers survive.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on July 04, 2020, 05:46:17 pm
 :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:

Seems we are really near to be Lost

 :huh: :huh: :huh:

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on July 11, 2020, 06:20:58 pm
...students are having covid parties.

30-year-old dies after Texas 'COVID party'
https://abc7ny.com/health/30-year-old-dies-after-covid-party-doctor-says/6312899/
"One of the things that was heart-wrenching that he said to his nurse was, 'I think I made a mistake,'"
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: sluckey on July 11, 2020, 10:07:10 pm
I wonder what Red Foreman would have said?
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: jjasilli on July 14, 2020, 12:33:59 am
Seems the longer the pandemic goes on, the less we know about it!  Not pretty.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on July 14, 2020, 10:15:08 am
once the emotional aspects fade, science & logic might get a foot-hold  :dontknow:
one number I have still never seen, sample size.  get the positive # all day everyday, but never "out of........"??

my county is at the .00x% death rate, has been since the start.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on July 14, 2020, 12:18:13 pm
> never "out of........"??

Data is often computed per 100,000 persons. Here is one source (many pages).
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/states-comparison

Maine is 9 deaths per 100k (114 dead in the state).
In my county, 2 deaths in 55k people so 3.6/100k.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on July 14, 2020, 07:58:24 pm
And sometimes there are heart-warming stories:

Mel Mann, MBA, M.Ed
108 YEAR-OLD ESTELA SURVIVED CORONAVIRUS
Estela turned 108 years old on April 22, 2020, while quarantined in her nursing home in Huntington Beach, California. Not only did Estela live through the Spanish flu pandemic in 1918, but she is possibly the oldest person to have recovered from the coronavirus in the state of California.

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/04/25/bittersweet-family-reunion-quarantined-nursing-home-resident-marks-her-108th-birthday/
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on July 17, 2020, 11:00:37 am
Numbers are newly rising (and we were very very low)

The reason ?

We have a lot of unregistered immigrates that are not under healt controls ad didn' t want to submit to quarantine and rules

I know, It isn't a nice thing to be told, but It Is so and really what Is happening

Stay well my Friends

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: shooter on July 17, 2020, 06:01:43 pm
In USA that would be < 1%
a problem that is >1%, we have too many cooks n books, all pretending to be head Chef'  :icon_biggrin:
being a political year don't help

one sad outcome I fear, we will now be criminalized for  sub-Micronics distribution
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on August 08, 2020, 03:10:10 pm
Hi Friends

this last days there aren't very good news

numbers are again raising in my region, at the moment the numbers aren't so high, but tendency is that

Franco
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: DummyLoad on August 08, 2020, 05:35:40 pm
Hi Friends

this last days there aren't very good news

numbers are again raising in my region, at the moment the numbers aren't so high, but tendency is that

Franco


They were here as well too, Our governor. finally started listening to the right folks and issued a mask wear mandate with a 1st violation warning, and 250 USD fine for second offense.

Hope you are well & please take care!

--Pete

https://cns.utexas.edu/news/covid-19-vaccine-with-ut-ties-arrived-quickly-after-years-in-the-making

Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: PRR on August 08, 2020, 09:50:16 pm
Eastern Maine, we live far apart so we are in better shape than most of the USA.

But we keep finding "clumps". This week a lot of blueberry pickers tested positive.

And because Maine is "safe", we have Boston and NYC folks trying to hide-out here. The last two week-ends have been mad with non-Maine cars.

I have medical issues, they don't want to stay in the room with me for an hour-long procedure unless I get tested 2 days ahead. I did one in May and another next week. Makes me one of the more-tested people in Maine, even the USA. And that means nothing because I can pick it up so quick.
Title: Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
Post by: kagliostro on August 11, 2020, 11:57:47 am
@ Pete & PRR

Stay well my friends I wish you alla the best


Franco