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Amp Stuff => Tube Amp Building - Tweaks - Repairs => Topic started by: Sonny ReVerb on October 18, 2020, 12:03:51 pm

Title: 60 hz Blues (buzz)
Post by: Sonny ReVerb on October 18, 2020, 12:03:51 pm
So I built a tweed Super variant. It sounds really good, but it has some 60 hz buzz I haven't tracked down yet. The buzz is present mostly at low volume (say 0-3) and louder at high volume (9-12). It seems to be minimal at mid volume levels. I chopsticked it twice and checked the circuit matches the schematic. Still no luck.

My variant has a different power section, similar to later Leo models with a small choke and screen resistors. It also has a ground bus.

One thing I did out of left field - I used a multi-tap OT connecting the 8 ohm tap to a pair of 16 ohm speakers in parallel. The original used a 4 ohm tap and two 8 ohm speakers in parallel. To keep the NFB level consistent with the original, I connected my unused 4 ohm tap to the NFB. I've seen head cabs with multiple speaker outs use a potentially unconnected tap for NFB, so I didn't think this would be a problem.

The other question is do I need the separate ground from the input jack or does this create a ground loop? The original had a single ground wire from one input jack to ground. I put the brass grounding plate in, but it's only a contact ground - no solder connections.
Any suggestions?
Title: Re: 60 hz Blues (buzz)
Post by: Sonny ReVerb on October 18, 2020, 12:04:44 pm
More pics...
Title: Re: 60 hz Blues (buzz)
Post by: Sonny ReVerb on October 18, 2020, 12:10:00 pm
It also has elevated heaters using a pair of bleed resistors to form a voltage divider. Produces around 50VDC.
Title: Re: 60 hz Blues (buzz)
Post by: Sonny ReVerb on October 18, 2020, 12:32:49 pm
This should be accurate except for the NFB connection (4 ohm tap).
Title: Re: 60 hz Blues (buzz)
Post by: shooter on October 18, 2020, 12:43:56 pm
try disconnecting your elevated CT and just ground the CT.  noise better or worse?







Title: Re: 60 hz Blues (buzz)
Post by: Sonny ReVerb on October 19, 2020, 08:21:29 pm
shooter! Good call. It's definitely better with the heater CT grounded. Now it's quiet at low volume with increasing background noise (I'd say tube rush with some hum) toward max volume.

I still think it could be quieter with properly elevated heaters, though. I scoped the bleed resistor voltage divider and there's some saw tooth in there. Would a smoothing cap help across the bottom resistor? This is my first attempt at elevated heaters in a fixed bias amp. Any better methods to get a stable DC voltage for this purpose?

I found a thread covering the topic which does show a smoothing cap. They also connected the voltage divider further down the filter chain.

https://el34world.com/Forum/index.php?topic=15932.0
Title: Re: 60 hz Blues (buzz)
Post by: acheld on October 19, 2020, 09:36:36 pm
http://valvewizard.co.uk/heater.html
Title: Re: 60 hz Blues (buzz)
Post by: sluckey on October 19, 2020, 09:39:42 pm
It also has elevated heaters using a pair of bleed resistors to form a voltage divider. Produces around 50VDC.
You also need a filter cap across the bottom vd resistor. And you used the dirtiest B+ in the whole amp. Move your voltage divider (and cap) to node C or D and all your buzz will be gone.
Title: Re: 60 hz Blues (buzz)
Post by: Sonny ReVerb on October 19, 2020, 09:41:24 pm
Followup: That was the ticket. I put a 33uF/100V cap across the 33k resistor. The scope showed a nice flat voltage, so I reconnected the CT and it's beautifully quiet. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, guys.