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Title: Question about output impedence in OTL headphone amp
Post by: Craftyjam on June 08, 2022, 07:15:11 pm
I'm a little confused on impedence matching in an OTL design.

Lets just say we have a set of parallel cathode followers, 12AT7's. (Just for example, this could very well be a terrible idea.)

They have a gm of 5500 Micromhos, and the output impedence of a cathode follower is aproximately 1/gm.

1/.0055 = about 182 ohms

Two tubes in parallel, this number becomes about 90 ohms.

If I wanted to drive a pair of headphones with an impedence of 30 ohms, how would I calculate the total power needed to do so?
I guess I've never had to deal with a mismatch in impedences since I've always used OTP's, so I don't really know how to proceed.

Any help or learning aids would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Question about output impedence in OTL headphone amp
Post by: PRR on June 08, 2022, 11:20:32 pm
> If I wanted to drive a pair of headphones with an impedence of 30 ohms, how would I calculate the total power needed to do so?

You need data about the HEADPHONE. Not the tube you would like to use.

Title: Re: Question about output impedence in OTL headphone amp
Post by: Craftyjam on June 08, 2022, 11:46:22 pm
> If I wanted to drive a pair of headphones with an impedence of 30 ohms, how would I calculate the total power needed to do so?

You need data about the HEADPHONE. Not the tube you would like to use.

Oh ok. I didn't realize that headphones came with their own datasheet that showed characteristic curves. If I don't have a particular pair of headphones in mind, but I know that they would present a load of 30ohms, is there a way to proceed? I could just copy another design, but I'm curious about the process of designing a driver based on the requirements I have.
Title: Re: Question about output impedence in OTL headphone amp
Post by: PRR on June 09, 2022, 11:47:20 am
You want to set a Power goal. This is tough because people listen at various levels and headphones have a VERY wide range of efficiencies. My survey above shows to get 120dB SPL, different 32 ohm phones may need 35ma to 200mA. 120dB is insane, 110dB would be 10mA to 70mA. Or 14mA to 100mA peak.

A couple sections of 12AT7 is good for 10mA-30mA at most. If you pick sensitive phones you may be happy.

> output impedence of a cathode follower is aproximately 1/gm.

That is small-signal impedance. It is artificially lowered by negative feedback. The large-signal, Power impedance is always Rp. In this case, around 10k. So the efficiency is no better than 32/10,000 or 0.32%. (Compare with 20%-40% for a happy transformer-coupled design.) At headphone powers, this may be acceptable. But it also suggests a strained amplifier with high THD.

No, there is no magic "impedance matching" other than a transformer. Use the fattest tube in the house, run at high current.

And before all else: PLAGIARIZE!! Study all the designs you can find. The interweb makes this very much easier than it used to be. What did other do? Why did designers do this or that? How did it work out? (It may be tough to find honest criticism.) Google "12at7 headphone amp" turns up lots of examples. "12AT7+6080 tube headphone amplifier" may be not-so-sad.