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Amp Stuff => Tube Amp Building - Tweaks - Repairs => Topic started by: Tirol29 on March 08, 2023, 07:54:36 am

Title: output transfo kaputt
Post by: Tirol29 on March 08, 2023, 07:54:36 am
Hello,

while playing at max volume on my diy amp (cf:  https://el34world.com/Forum/index.php?topic=25354)
suddenly there was a big noise . i stop everything when i retry no sound at all.
After look out on the bench,  it occurs that the output transformer, a classictone 40-18031, was sparkling, i dismounted it and found burn wires

do you know what could be the cause ?
i am ont the way to buy a hammond 1750B i think that's correct.
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: shooter on March 08, 2023, 08:04:20 am
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do you know what could be the cause
EXCESS current at the other end of those wires most likely the cause
so the PA tubes bias, the tubes themselves, and surrounding parts in the PA
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: Tirol29 on March 08, 2023, 08:13:29 am
tks shooter,
i have another 6v6GT (old mazda Belvu) i will put in place when i will have wired the new transfo, in case it was the cause (which is the most likely)
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: sluckey on March 08, 2023, 09:03:48 am
while playing at max volume on my diy amp
This is most likely the cause.
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: Tirol29 on March 08, 2023, 11:27:00 am
while playing at max volume on my diy amp
This is most likely the cause.
and maybe another related cause : friday evening and big muff  :angel
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: dude on March 08, 2023, 12:16:32 pm
and maybe another related cause : friday evening and big muff  :angel
What's Big Muff.. :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: bmccowan on March 08, 2023, 04:17:05 pm
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What's Big Muff?
BYOC has a diy version named Large Beaver.
https://buildyourownclone.myshopify.com/products/large-beaver-rams-kit (https://buildyourownclone.myshopify.com/products/large-beaver-rams-kit)
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: shooter on March 08, 2023, 04:22:57 pm
since you said "I have another 6V6GT..."  is this a PP or SE amp?  Got a schematic?  might help so you don't repeat.
my builds like the Big Muff and everyone on 10, but I take that in consideration when I by Iron, how I bias the amp, and what size ah-sheet fuse to use
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: scstill on March 08, 2023, 05:28:12 pm
What's interesting is that in reply #10 of your earlier post on this amp (btw this link shows SE with schematics), the 8k red lead looks to be connected to the terminal strip without a corresponding connection, yet that is the wire that seems most fried. Seems that somehow high current flowed through red. When I have unused transformer leads I will just heat shrink  the ends and tuck away in the chassis.

https://el34world.com/Forum/index.php?topic=25354
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: PRR on March 08, 2023, 10:52:20 pm
The power tube shorted. Happened on a VT-40. Smoked the irreplaceable OT and stunk-up the room.

So replace your power tube before you burn your new OT.
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: Tirol29 on March 09, 2023, 02:38:53 am
What's interesting is that in reply #10 of your earlier post on this amp (btw this link shows SE with schematics), the 8k red lead looks to be connected to the terminal strip without a corresponding connection, yet that is the wire that seems most fried. Seems that somehow high current flowed through red. When I have unused transformer leads I will just heat shrink  the ends and tuck away in the chassis.

https://el34world.com/Forum/index.php?topic=25354
at that time of picture it was not yet 100% completed. Since then unused wires have been soldered to free terminal tags before first power on  :smiley:
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: Tirol29 on March 09, 2023, 02:46:29 am
The power tube shorted. Happened on a VT-40. Smoked the irreplaceable OT and stunk-up the room.

So replace your power tube before you burn your new OT.
thanks PRR,
that's what i said in answer #2. For the actual and suspicious tube i'll contact on OM who has several tube testers. At first sight i don't see any trace of overheating but that  means poor i guess.
Do you agree with Hammond 1750B choice ?
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: mresistor on March 09, 2023, 08:11:21 am
Uncle Doug used a 15w classic tone OT   the1750B is 10w.  A Hammond 125ESE is 15w with lots of hookup options.


If you are only using a 6V6 then the 1750B would work and it's half the price of a 125ESE.
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: 66Strat on March 09, 2023, 09:46:24 am
Hello,

while playing at max volume on my diy amp (cf:  https://el34world.com/Forum/index.php?topic=25354)
suddenly there was a big noise .
i stop everything when i retry no sound at all.
After look out on the bench,  it occurs that the output transformer, a classictone 40-18031, was sparkling, i dismounted it and found burn wires

do you know what could be the cause ?
i am ont the way to buy a hammond 1750B i think that's correct.

My bet would be square wave induced fly-back voltage spikes. You may want to consider implementing fly-back voltage protection diodes.
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: PRR on March 09, 2023, 01:30:25 pm
that's what i said in answer #2.

Sorry.

....i don't see any trace of overheating but that  means poor i guess.

Last year the muffler fell off my car. I think the same thing sometimes happens in vacuum tubes: parts come loose. Except the other electrodes and the glass bottle keep them from falling out on the road.
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: Tirol29 on March 09, 2023, 05:16:45 pm
that's what i said in answer #2.
Sorry.
no no you don't have to ! i didn't express any frustation or what so ever.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: PRR on March 09, 2023, 08:40:06 pm
_I_ get frustrated when people do not read the thread.

I am sorry to be guilty of this myself. I will give myself 12 lashes with a stale cheesecake. (Long story........)
Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: mresistor on March 10, 2023, 05:43:41 pm
oh   stale cheesecake   ummm     what a waste


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Title: Re: output transfo kaputt
Post by: Tirol29 on March 14, 2023, 12:49:08 pm
hi,
received and replaced OT with 1750B : all fine  :smiley:
Boys are back in town :m8
another success for the working class   :bravo1: