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Title: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: Duncan on August 30, 2024, 03:17:53 pm
Looking for feedback on the attached schematic. I've married the C30 and Chieftain schems together, and I'd love a second set of eyes to make sure I've not left anything out.

I used Digikey's schematic builder, so I didn't bother with the power transformer diagram, you can see the diode stack where the HV enters the chain.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: Willabe on August 30, 2024, 03:43:57 pm
You need edit it down to just the schematic. Can't read it like it is now.
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: Duncan on August 30, 2024, 05:01:46 pm
Sorry about that! I've uploaded a new one that should be much better.
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: Willabe on August 30, 2024, 06:06:22 pm
Thank you.  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: Willabe on August 30, 2024, 06:28:28 pm
You have 2 B+ filter cap nodes labeled as B4.

PI has no plate load resistors.

You don't need a choke with that high a current rating. A Fender Twin has only 90mA and its 4 power tube screens and 6 x 12AX7.

Might be other things.  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: Leevi on August 31, 2024, 03:33:28 am
Based on my experience regarding Vox/Matchless power amps the 1M crossline master pot does not work in an optimal way. I would change it to 250K log or 500K log pot.


/Leevi
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: Duncan on August 31, 2024, 11:09:00 am
You have 2 B+ filter cap nodes labeled as B4.

PI has no plate load resistors.

You don't need a choke with that high a current rating. A Fender Twin has only 90mA and its 4 power tube screens and 6 x 12AX7.

Might be other things.  :dontknow:

Whoops. Good catch on the mislabeled B+ nodes and the PI. Will correct.

Yeah the choke specs were pulled from the DC30 schematic in the schematic library on here. I’ll probably end up using the same choke as what I used in my chieftain build.
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: Duncan on August 31, 2024, 11:11:24 am
Based on my experience regarding Vox/Matchless power amps the 1M crossline master pot does not work in an optimal way. I would change it to 250K log or 500K log pot.


/Leevi

Interesting. I’ll definitely give a 500K log a go!

Thank you!
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: shooter on August 31, 2024, 01:15:16 pm
I tried the cross-fade once, none of the guitarists liked it
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: Willabe on August 31, 2024, 01:41:25 pm
Yeah the choke specs were pulled from the DC30 schematic in the schematic library on here. I’ll probably end up using the same choke as what I used in my chieftain build.
It's just a size/chassis space thing.

I'm not sure that DC30 schematic is really done by Matchless.   
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: Duncan on August 31, 2024, 03:20:00 pm
Yeah the choke I used in my chieftain build is a 50H 125ma
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: Willabe on August 31, 2024, 04:52:45 pm
Yeah the choke I used in my chieftain build is a 50H 125ma

That's way over kill too.
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: Duncan on September 02, 2024, 04:28:41 pm
Yeah the choke I used in my chieftain build is a 50H 125ma

That's way over kill too.

I actually dug out a choke I salvaged from an old Hammond organ (10H @75ma) that’ll probably use!
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: Duncan on September 03, 2024, 01:17:03 pm
Here's an updated schematic with a LarMar MV and a few other corrections.

Really, I'm mostly curious if anyone sees an issue with 50 uF filter caps or the .022 uF coupling caps after the PI.
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: shooter on September 03, 2024, 02:27:05 pm
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curious if anyone sees an issue with 50 uF filter caps
other than being labeled 250uF and one not connected, nope.  I typically use 47uf at PA cathodes.
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: Willabe on September 03, 2024, 02:55:52 pm
Now get your grounding right before you start to wire it up.

https://www.valvewizard.co.uk/Grounding.html (https://www.valvewizard.co.uk/Grounding.html)
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: Duncan on September 03, 2024, 04:17:28 pm
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curious if anyone sees an issue with 50 uF filter caps
other than being labeled 250uF and one not connected, nope.  I typically use 47uf at PA cathodes.

Good catch on it not being connected. A miss on my end.

But those ones aren't the filter caps I'm referring to. I was referencing the ones on either side of the choke.
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: shooter on September 03, 2024, 05:19:27 pm
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I'm mostly curious if anyone sees an issue with 50 uF filter caps or the .022 uF coupling caps after the PI.


we flunked the same English class  :laugh:


....the PS CLC filter....
no I don't see a problem unless they're running at the 450vdc rating
Title: Re: Matchless C30 pre/Chieftain power built in a Traynor YBA-1 (schematic enclosed)
Post by: Duncan on September 04, 2024, 04:47:53 pm
I've been looking around at LarMar MVs on cathode biased circuits, and I just can't find very many examples of how its done. Can someone weigh in on that part?