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Title: Use non center tapped low voltage winding for voltage doubled bias source
Post by: mresistor on September 18, 2024, 10:02:05 am
Hi guys. Pardon my ignorance. I have a Hammond 290CZ that is unused. I find that it fits perfectly in a Princeton Reverb chassis so I'm going to use it. It's 300-0-300 @120ma, 6.3vac @4amp.
Since it was made to replace the pt in a Vox AC15C1 it also has a 25vac 250ma non center tapped winding, for powering solid state devices in the amp.


I want to use this 25vac winding to make a bias circuit utilizing a voltage doubler.  I've read through Merlins page on bias circuits but this example isn't covered. Anyone got some ideas on how this can be done.
Here's a simple voltage doubler circuit. How can I use this?





Title: Re: Use non center tapped low voltage winding for voltage doubled bias source
Post by: mresistor on September 18, 2024, 10:05:20 am
I am aware that I can also just tap a bias circuit off of one HV leg as has been done many times.  I thought it would be interesting to use this low v winding.
Title: Re: Use non center tapped low voltage winding for voltage doubled bias source
Post by: kagliostro on September 18, 2024, 03:53:22 pm
Tapping on both the HT branch you can obtain a full wave Bias

K
Title: Re: Use non center tapped low voltage winding for voltage doubled bias source
Post by: mresistor on September 18, 2024, 04:16:59 pm
Tapping on both the HT branch you can obtain a full wave Bias
K
Yes K  I didn't add that it's a full wave circuit but it surely is.  Should help with noise and filtering, as if there is any in these simple bias circuits.  Reason I think is there isn't any real current flowing in a bias circuit, more a potential for the grids.
I'm wondering how to go about completing the circuit all the way to the control grids.
Title: Re: Use non center tapped low voltage winding for voltage doubled bias source
Post by: shooter on September 18, 2024, 06:29:56 pm
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I'm wondering how to go about completing the circuit all the way to the control grids.


once you have a DCV PS source, the rest of the circuit should be cut n paste from any of a zillion already tried methods


the only thing gnawing at the back of my brain; each PS diode on the + side has a Vdrop, then you'll be grounding that Vdrop so you have a common, -- reference for bias.  DISCLAIMER: (been wood-cutting all day, am herbily relaxing the muscles, so, I might be all wet logically) :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Use non center tapped low voltage winding for voltage doubled bias source
Post by: AlNewman on September 18, 2024, 08:16:39 pm
Is it easier to look at like this?
Title: Re: Use non center tapped low voltage winding for voltage doubled bias source
Post by: glass54 on September 18, 2024, 10:04:14 pm
Hi mresistor
Try this (attached) even worked out some nominal values for you. I have done a few Doublers and Quadruplers (for Calibration Mic Preamps) fed into high stability Voltage regulators BUT you wont need that.
Regards
Mirek
Title: Re: Use non center tapped low voltage winding for voltage doubled bias source
Post by: Merlin on September 19, 2024, 03:52:41 am
I've read through Merlins page on bias circuits but this example isn't covered.
I have to leave something for the book  :laugh:
Title: Re: Use non center tapped low voltage winding for voltage doubled bias source
Post by: mresistor on September 19, 2024, 09:25:50 am
Thanks guys!  Very helpful.   


Merlin   I do have your Preamp Design for tube amps book.  :icon_biggrin:   Thank you sir.
Title: Re: Use non center tapped low voltage winding for voltage doubled bias source
Post by: kagliostro on September 21, 2024, 08:38:29 am
Mr Merlin thanks for sharing

About the doubler I like it more (for my brain it's easier to understand) when you draw the doubler like in some images on your books, the FWB design doubler where a pair of diodes are subbed with capacitors  :icon_biggrin:

K