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Title: Fender Amp "Weak" Vibrato
Post by: Pastortom on August 27, 2010, 04:02:09 pm
Lookin' for some input.........

Generally speaking, would a "weak" intensity on a Fender Vibrato mean a "weak" optoisolator, or are there more variables that commonly cause the weakness?

Again, it works......but the intensity is just very weak......full intensity (10) acts like a 1 or 2 setting.

What say ye?
Title: Re: Fender Amp "Weak" Vibrato
Post by: FYL on August 27, 2010, 05:06:37 pm
Could be a bad solder, a weak tube or a weak neon/LDR module. Begin by checking/reflowing board connections, then try changing the 12AX7 in the oscillator stage with new or known good tubes, then try a new roach. Less probable causes: defective passives - caps, resistors and pots.

 
Title: Re: Fender Amp "Weak" Vibrato
Post by: bnwitt on August 28, 2010, 12:32:57 pm
I'd change the tube first.  You need a really strong 12AX7 in that circuit.
Title: Re: Fender Amp "Weak" Vibrato
Post by: Merlin on August 28, 2010, 03:28:45 pm
Begin by checking/reflowing board connections, then try changing the 12AX7
Why on earth would you open up an amp and start reflowing joints before just plugging in a different tube?

(It's nearly always a weak oscillator tube)
Title: Re: Fender Amp "Weak" Vibrato
Post by: EL34 on August 29, 2010, 06:36:34 am
I have also seen it where the bulb was not lined up with the opto in Fenders

Kind of rare, but it can happen.
You can realign the parts and re-heat shrink them.
Title: Re: Fender Amp "Weak" Vibrato
Post by: FYL on August 29, 2010, 10:11:59 am
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I'd change the tube first.  You need a really strong 12AX7 in that circuit.

Agreed, but I've just worked on two vintage DR's suffering from weak vibrato because of board-related problems. Both were fitted with recent tubes and functional roaches, both were fine after a few reflows.
 
Changing the 12AX7 in the vibrato section is usually sufficient with recent amps.

Title: Re: Fender Amp "Weak" Vibrato
Post by: Tiny_Daddy on August 29, 2010, 10:33:11 am
I have seen more than one amp with no cathode bypass cap on the oscillator tube. Result was weak oscillation, slow to start.
Title: Re: Fender Amp "Weak" Vibrato
Post by: P Batty on August 29, 2010, 10:36:15 am
How old is the amp?  The light sensitive resistor in the roach will lose its effectiveness over time, diminishing the effect, but definitely check the tube first.