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lenos
Junior tube assistant
Posts: 8
(2/8/04 9:49 pm)
Advice needed, Marshall "cane" grill cloth instal
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I'm installing (or trying to) Marshall cane type grill cloth on an amp. Does anyone out there have experience with this material? It is very still and difficult to get drawn tight across the speaker board. Are you supposed to soak it or something before installing? Thanks,
Lenos
Jonas Gemini
Hey get your own solder
Posts: 296
(2/9/04 7:02 pm)
Re: Advice needed, Marshall "cane" grill cloth in
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Hey
I am familiar with the marshall cloth yuou mentioned, although I don't really have tried and true advice for you.
However, I have worked with a similiar natural wicker style cloth and it really worked well to preform the bends in the material before installation. I was able to crease the cloth so the material would break the 90 degee angle over the baffle easier. I did not soak the cloth in anything.
Also, leave the ends a little bit long so you can get a good grip to pull it tight. Since the cloth is so stiff, I would think that you would only need it tight enough so it doesn't flap around or make noise when you play the amp.
Don't know if this helps any but just thought I should chime in
Jonas
Casey4s
Senior tube assistant
Posts: 133
(2/10/04 7:27 pm)
Re: Advice needed, Marshall "cane" grill cloth in
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This is the only kind of cane I have ever installed, I don't know how it compares to the Marshall stuff.
Cane Grille
Casey4s
Edited by: Casey4s at: 2/10/04 7:30 pm
lenos
Junior tube assistant
Posts: 9
(2/10/04 11:36 pm)
cane grill cloth
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That looks very similar, How did you get it taut?
Thanks
Jonas Gemini
Hey get your own solder
Posts: 297
(2/11/04 12:07 am)
Re: cane grill cloth
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Lenos,
you can go to yahoo pictures and do a search for Casey4. He put together very nice picture tutorials of how to tolex, and everything else. Fantastic work and well documented.
Jonas
HStraub
Senior tube assistant
Posts: 215
(2/11/04 12:47 am)
Cane
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Wet it.
If you soak it and then apply it when it dries it shrinks enough to tighten up. I have never used it, but have helped put it on an amp and it worked well.
Casey4s
Senior tube assistant
Posts: 134
(2/11/04 11:14 am)
Re: cane grill cloth
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When I put cane on I usually use a seperate frame, or put 1/4' strips around the perimeter of the baffle board.
After I cut it a little oversized I soak it in HOT HOT water for about an hour. Stretch as tight as you can and staple it. Set it in front of a fan ans dry it for 24+ hours. The cane will shrink and get really tight.
Grille Frame
DIY amp Page
Text files for the links above
Casey4s
Edited by: Casey4s at: 2/11/04 11:22 am
lenos
Junior tube assistant
Posts: 10
(2/12/04 12:23 am)
cane grill cloth
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Thanks all and especially for the Casey4s link. There may be hope yet.
Lenos
Andy Poupart
Senior tube assistant
Posts: 115
(2/12/04 1:21 am)
Re: cane grill cloth
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Marshall "cane" grill cloth isn't actual cane, at least it's not the kind of cane that seat bottoms are made of, nor the same as in Casey4's photo. It's more or less woven string. I have a couple of yards of it in my garage right now, waiting to go on a speaker baffle. It's much more pliable than real cane.
That doesn't mean I know how to go about installing it! I was planning on pretty much stretch and staple. Although, it is a very open type of weave, so stretching it out of shape looks like it would be very easy to do.
Andy Poupart
Senior tube assistant
Posts: 116
(2/14/04 4:33 pm)
Re: cane grill cloth
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I just insalled the Marshall "cane" type grill cloth on a baffle. It tuens out that its much more like paper than anything else. The individual strings have very little tensile strength.
I soaked it in hot water for about 30 minutes. It didn't become noticeably more pliable, but when the strings are wet they will break easily.
I stapled one long edge to the baffle first, using the weave as a guide so that the weave was exactly straight along that edge. Then I did the same to the other long edge, taking care to align the edge of the baffle with the weave of the cloth, stretching it as tight as I could, though it doesn't give much. I did the same for the sides, too, trying to ensure that an edge aligns with the weave, without buckling the cloth. The fourth edge I tried to get as straight as possible, knowing that the baffle is not completely square. The corners are tough. This stuff is really thick, so I decided that I couldn't afford to have double thicknesses of the cloth anywhere.
I managed to get it pretty tight, and it's pretty square, with no waviness in the weave. It frays like nobody's business, and it is thick. As it's drying, it *is* tightening even more, so that seems like a way to go. If you're going to use this stuff, you should make the baffle even smaller than for regular cloth. I left about 3/16 to 1/4 all round, and now the baffle is going to be a very tight fit once the piping is installed, too.
Looks good, though!
Casey4s
Senior tube assistant
Posts: 135
(2/15/04 9:57 am)
Re: cane grill cloth
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Andy,
I'm glad your grille project worked out well.
I'd like to see some pic's when you get a chance.
Casey4s
Jonas Gemini
Hey get your own solder
Posts: 301
(2/15/04 1:16 pm)
Re: Advice needed, Marshall "cane" grill cloth in
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I would like to thank Casey4 who has helped me with tolexing techniques by graciously putting his experience into picture tutiorials on the web. I couldn't have done it without you.
Thanks
Jonas
Casey4s
Senior tube assistant
Posts: 136
(2/15/04 1:52 pm)
Re: Advice needed, Marshall "cane" grill cloth in
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Hi Jonas,
I'm glad I could be of help to you....
Good luck with future projects.....
Casey4s
Andy Poupart
Senior tube assistant
Posts: 117
(2/15/04 4:42 pm)
Uh-oh
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As the cane cloth on my baffle started to dry, it was tightening up nicely. I left it outside for the rest of the afternoon, to dry completely.
When I said this stuff was more like paper than anything else, I was more right than I realized. It wound up drying exactly like a sheet of paper that's gotten wet, which is to say it has dried with a kind of wave to it. It's a disaster!
Whether it sagged under its own weight or for some other reason, I don't know, but where it started out nice and taut, it's now all loose, flappy, and wavy.
I've removed it.
So, I repudiate my earlier advice. Don't soak the Marshall cane cloth. It's essentially paper (smells like cardboard when wet), and it dries like paper.
Andy Poupart
Senior tube assistant
Posts: 118
(2/15/04 6:43 pm)
Re: Uh-oh
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I reinstalled the Marshall "cane" cloth on my baffle this afternoon. The stuff is *much* more difficult to work with dry. Anyway, we got it reasonably taut. Stapling on the gold piping caused it to become less taut in some places because we just couldn't pull the stuff tight enough across the edge of the baffle. It doesn't look too bad, though.
Here's a picture of the baffle in the (unfinished) cabinet:
2x12 baffle with Marshall cane cloth
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