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SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« on: March 05, 2018, 07:27:51 pm »
 Hi all;
 
I have recently built a second SLuckey version of the VOX AC-15 and thought I would post some pictures.
 
I built the first one a year ago and the person who got it wanted me to build a backup amp for him… ‘With pleasure’  I told him!..
 
SLuckey had updated some of the documentation and added a MV control to the newer version, so that is the one I went with. 
 
Both times I followed Steve’s build fairly closely, with the major change being the use of a 5V rectifier (al la Fender) instead of the EZ81.  I had some nice NOS 5V4G tubes that sounded very good in the original, so that is the way I went.  It also allowed me to use a 5AR4 if I (they) really wanted to push the amp.
 
I used a blank Brownface deluxe style chassis (slant front) as the foundation and the SLuckey recommended Hammond iron.  I did ‘cheat’ a little and purchased the AES pre-wired impedance selector for the 1600 series OT.  It just made life a little easier!
 
Here is a rundown of the various components that I used:
 
Hoffman turret board – no wire holes
Switchcraft jacks and Carling Switches
Alpha & CTS pots
Panasonic polypropylene film caps
Mallory 150’s
Vishay Sprague Atom caps
F&T 16/16 can cap
Vishay/Dale wirewound resistors – higher wattage positions
KOA Speer metal film resistors
NOS Vishay .011 ceramic disc caps in the tremolo section
Dual deck 2P6T brilliance switch with CDE Mica caps
 
 
I verified all caps and resistors to be in tolerances that I wanted (close).   The board went together nicely.  I originally ordered the Hoffman turret board with wire holes.  I then realized that the wire I use would not nicely go through the holes…even when enlarged.   Ordered a second board from Doug without the holes.  Funny that I never  built a board using wire holes and now I know why!  Assembly went more smoothly this time, since I already knew where and how I wanted to mount stuff  from the first build. The only issue was one of the screws holding the PT got located right below the off-stby-on switch.  The slant face chassis didn’t allow for enough clearance, so I ended up mounting the switch sideways. Now it goes left-middle-right instead of down-middle-up!  Luckily, since this version has the Master Volume, I knew that I would have to design a different front panel than the last one, so I will account for the different lettering.
 
 
 
As with the first time, everything went well with the initial power-up and after verifying voltages, I was ready to run it through my initial burn-in routine.  Then on to ‘voicing’ the amp which included rolling various NOS and new production tubes in the various positions to get the sound I was looking for.
 
I already had a cabinet built for the Brownface chassis, since I use them often.  It was just a matter of mounting the chassis in the cabinet using Fender chassis straps.  Tomorrow it goes off to its new owner who will complete the break-in.
 
I think it sounds even better than the first time around, but I’m an absolute hack when it comes to playing an electric guitar!  I will know more when I get feedback from its new owner.
 
 
Thanks – Jeff
 
Pictures attached  (hopefully!)



-Jeff

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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2018, 07:29:37 pm »
In a head cab!
« Last Edit: March 05, 2018, 07:33:33 pm by jly56 »
-Jeff

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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2018, 07:55:33 pm »
Damn, that's sweet. No one will be expecting that tone out of a fender style cab. I love my Sluckey AC clone

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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2018, 08:18:43 pm »
Very nice! Great job on the 'tronics and cab.
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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2018, 08:54:24 pm »
Damn, that's sweet. No one will be expecting that tone out of a fender style cab. I love my Sluckey AC clone


Thanks....it's my 'go to' chassis/cab combo... Never know what you're going to hear...I love all of my Sluckey builds, but the sound of his AC build is so versatile!
« Last Edit: March 05, 2018, 08:57:30 pm by jly56 »
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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2018, 08:55:58 pm »
Very nice! Great job on the 'tronics and cab.
Thank YOU for all of your work- website and builds!
-Jeff

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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2019, 01:42:59 pm »
I’ve never gotten my Sluckey AC 15 past two on Volume at home :l2:

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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2019, 01:24:32 pm »
I'm a little late on this, but hell, that's a fine build! What's your customer feedback so far?

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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2019, 01:37:19 pm »
I now have built 9 of these.  I have the first one and use it along side a Princeton Reverb.  With these 2 amps you have everything covered in the lower w attage and volume arena.


Yes, everyone loves the amp, but we built ours tubes up because one of the inherent problems with the original design overheating.  I had a 63 A15, the one built with 2 12's for the Ventures I believe.


Within the 8 builds, here is what I learned about this specific build.  The EF86 channel needs the tremolo/vibrato.  The Vibrato seems weak until you play in a mix.  For playing at home the tremolo sounds best.  To me, in a group the vibrato is very nice and allows me to stay in with the mix and softens my attack which keeps VOCALS ON TOP!  I simply use 1 input and increase the volumes always running into the 12Ax7 and the EF86.  Everyone seems to like the Mullard screen tube, mainly because it is an affordable tube that says Mullard.  Sounds fine, but the NOS Tesla will make a glassier tone.  Of course EL84 tubes from Holland, Amperex are expensive.  Ache original circuit, cording the the Schematic Sluckey worked from, about 300 plate volts is what you really have in the original circuit.  I have my voltages where a 122VAC main make ~305VDC Plate Volts on the power tubes. I don't mind purchasing nice tubes for mine since I have never toasted ANY in mine.  RCA Pan getters are nice too and bring RCA warmth if you are looking.  New production, JJ hands down.


Special requests that do not work well.  A Fender type Reverb, Spring I mean, takes the whole original Vox tone with it.  A simple serial loop if you want modulation works fine.  The EF86 doesn't care much for Delay, especially analogue.  The repeats are harsh.  Want to avoid modulation in this circuit when using the EF86.  If you install switching to Matchless Values on the tube, it handles modulation better, but sounds more controlled and changes the frequencies and sounds sort of Matchless.  If you increase the PI voltage and the Power Tubes to about 400VDC, it becomes very much like a Matchless with a EF86.  I wanted a Vox.


The person I built these for, sold them in his music store.  Everyone of them has been a head and the reason is EF86 can often be microphonic.  You can set the head off the speaker and stop it until you get a chance to find out if you need additional shock mounting.  I use a rubber o-ring and a little longer screws with springs, but the springs are a little stiff, stiff enough to hold the socket and you can still install the tube and it feels solid.  For mine I used a Military style for the EF86.  It is the only tube I have with a shield, but all that were sold had tube shields and that messy spring EL84 clips. The Vibrato channel I prefer NOS RCA 12AX7 or Tung-Sol tubes.  The oldest backplate I can find.  You can hear the Second (first really) harmonic and it adds a lot of warmth for when you roll volume down.  The EF86 reacts faster, so with the volume knob on the guitar I can hide the odd order of the Pentode Tone and replace it, which removes the glassiness resulting in an amp that seems cleaner, but it is really not.  With a single 12, 100SPL Celestion blue, you DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH HEADROOM even to get up over a 80 yer old drummer if he gets excited.



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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2019, 01:38:56 pm »
Big error was making a line out.  This is just me, but for a true Vox Sound, The Celestion Blue 15 watt (I have tried and like to use different speakers) nails it.  Weber Blue Dog Alnico is not close, the ceramic holds together and speaker breakup is part of the old Vox tone.  I must admit I do like the amp with other speakers, but none have that same chime.I have incorporated the Tremolo Resistor mod in the Schematic as part of the build.  I use Log pots here, but liner will work.  Others prefer Audio Taper pots by far, but if you know it makes little difference.  The music store owner is my senior by 12 years.  Used old original Vox tube amps all his life.  I had a few real AC15's to compare and I played Sluckeys which if I remembrr correctly has just a bit higher voltages.


The amp felt the sounded great, like mine but has a significant increase in headroom, so the area where the EL84's begin saturation is about the same as a Fender Blues Junior.5 of them had a VVR installed.  Variable Voltage Regulator I believe is what people call this.  London Power refers to this Power Scaling.  They work very well and a great addition for playing it at home.  Scale the Power Tubes only! Trust me.  With this, if you want to use voltages on the Power Tubes to near 400 and raise the voltage on the PI, turning up the normal channel and using a Ceramic Celestion Greenback, it does take on a Marshall 18 Watt Flavor, but does produce a lot more headroom.I built one to use as a combo. 

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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2019, 01:41:01 pm »
Pay attention to the Vox cabinet design from the Jennings period.  The combo amp was almost closed back, which seems to aid the Celestion Blue a lot to produce solid bass.  I found this out because the cabinet was furnished and was a Fender Tweed style, but was made from 2 special woods.  When I played the amp, it sounded thin.  I plugged it into my 1, 12 cab, closed back Blue loaded and the bottom end thickened up as It should.  He made 2 back panels thicker and larger and we installed a thicker Birch Speaker Baffle and it worked and sounded correct.


Output Transformer I have tried.  I used the newer easier to wire Hammond, Good!  Mercury is expensive for a lot of folks (the Mercury Toneclone is $255 and sexy and you can put the Mercury Badge on the amp.  Mercury has branded the "Best" transformers according to most players and provide Mojo and it WILL help sell the amp.  The markup is insane, but I like it since I get a huge discount. The 18 Watt OT Doug has in his store sounds really good!  Classictone is where most going, but if you want your voltages to run close to the original it will have a grainer sounding distortion when you run it hard.  I use one, one time.  Amp is still loved by the owner, so I cannot say the sound is bad, just different some.  If you asked me what is the best all around OT for the build considering price and performance os the 18  watt OT Doug sells.  The NEW Sensor Tweed Deluxe works great too.  There is some argument over the reflected impedance of the old AC15.  Classictone builds 6K for the tubes to see, the Hammond is 7.8K, The Heybour Doug Sells is 8K, So is Mercury and after the initial Radiospares OT's that were used that leaked, got too hot it was finalized to be an 8K.  I measured an original 1962 and it is 8K.


Mistake to increase filtering any as it stiffens up too much.  Builds easier using Xicon caps, especially the Tremolo/Vibrato.  I actually use ceramic caps.  Mine, I did use yellow SOZO everywhere because they were free for me.  This board has a lot on it and you appreciate the ease of future repairs and so will another tech that may have to work on it down the road.  Also, the original wiring of the foot switch is annoying.  Change it permanently as waiting for it can seem long at times.


I removed the cap from the board that the Brilliance Switch varies capacitance.  On mine, I used a 12 position switch so I can actually allow lower frequencies to pass.  I felt it was overkill while I was doing it and a 6 position will give you all you need in reality, but All the ones sold except the combo used 12.  I prefer 12 as this makes it so I do not have a guitar sounding muddy, but have access to pass more bottom end.  Great aid for Telecaster and Strat Bridge pup.I built him 4.  Delivered on a Tuesday and all were sold by Saturday.  Remember now, this guy is a Vox guy and has Vox Friends.  This helps.  He asked for 4 more and I agreed only to these. 


He is bugging me now for more, also another AC30 Version and a Top Boost Version.  Since the Korg Vox amps do not have that Pentode channel, players seem to take on an immediate infatuation.Since I have had experience with this build, I thought I would share some of the drama of the learning curve, but also what I learned building these.  It is much easier to get what I think of as the Vox sound with the AC15 and built the same way, but in AC30, 4 tubes, sounds almost the same with the AC30 version being thicker. 


I have also installed NEGATIVE FEEDBACK just to see if Dick Denny was right.  He is and none of the amps sold except the combo have reverb and none get NFB.This has been such a successful layout and build that Sluckey and Bnwhit began discussing years ago.  When I saw the old thread I got Sluckey interested in it again.  He had me blocked from PM to him, as he will do.  He only does this so he can make fun of you before you learn, sit back and write where is your schematic?  If you draw one and ask him to check it and miss something, he writes stuff like "That is going to be one quiet amp."  Didn't tell me why.  This amp was different.  When I started getting information together, they had Filter Caps in a Doghouse and no Ground Scheme.  He told me he was too busy with his garden, but would help me with it when he could.The next day he had revised the drawings and added a ground scheme!  He now knew it was going to happen and made sure his name was on it.  What happened to me is I understood how the components work and what they do.  Gain is not distortion and you can afford to own an AC15.


Thanks Steve, Happy New Year!
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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2019, 04:34:09 pm »
Hey bud. Sounds like you got a good holiday buzz going on!   :icon_biggrin:
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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2019, 12:29:24 pm »
Not yet but I am heading out.


I actually have more I have learned about the amp and Vox, Thomas Organ. Not really my amp experience.


I saw jly56 show a very nice and different tube down version. It just got me to thinking how many different things I have tried.  This is the most builds of a single amp I have made. 63 vibroverb clone is second with 6 now.


Right now I am drawing up a 55 tweed pro output stage using 6L6G with ab763 preamp, with verb and More Tremolo. I was given an OT from an original and it is 6k. Set up the PA and ran basically a PR preamp and it plays piano clean until you push it. Then it roars, best guesstimate it will be about 25 to 28 watts.


Sluckey, that Thomas Organ thing you keep around, the pedal, I have grown to want one. Just FYI. :laugh:


Time for some R and R.

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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2019, 01:50:07 pm »
Ed, you are a little vague on your descriptions, solutions, and recommendations.  Can you give a little more detail? 


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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2019, 02:41:26 pm »
Ed, you are a little vague on your descriptions, solutions, and recommendations.  Can you give a little more detail? 


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certainly. Jimbob this amp has 2 El84 tubes of power. Why are even reading this thread except I know you are wanting to be cute, and you are. Happy New Year!


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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2019, 02:48:44 pm »
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Sluckey, that Thomas Organ thing you keep around, the pedal, I have grown to want one. Just FYI.
You mean that Crybaby I bought back in '71 or '72? I ain't attached to it and I'll never use it again. Talk to me.
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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2019, 05:23:21 pm »

Happy New Year!

And stay off and away from my grass!

Haha!  Happy New Year to you and all my amp pals here as well!  I hope we all have a fantastic 2020!

Jim

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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2019, 06:00:02 pm »
PS: Sluckey, I am a MUCH nicer guy than Ed and better looking as well.  That Thomas Wah would be paired with the greatest amp ever conceived, built, and abused by one of the greatest guitarist ever!  IF....you were to send it to me for safe keeping.  I would love it and feed it only new Duracells.  I would never consume an alcoholic beverage before taking it for a drive.  I will only use official electrically certified patch cords that have never been in another hole (ewww!).  It will live in a good neighborhood with the Electric Mistress, a Japanese family called Shin-ei Univibe and be at the address next to 808 Tube Screamer.  A relative of Jojo lives in the back yard called Afterburner, but Thomas need not talk to him.  Thomas will ALWAYS be located at the front of the development.  There are other celebrities down the block like Scholz, Butler, and Fuller.  I seriously doubt Ed can compete, much less be allowed in this neighborhood!  His state banned Black Sabbath back in the 70's for gosh sakes!  Please allow me to remove this burden from your care.

Yer BEST buddy
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Re: SLuckey's AC-15 build - second time around
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2019, 06:03:13 pm »
 :hijack1: over...

JLY56, that is an AWESOME build!  Thank you for sharing.  Always good to see everyone's efforts!

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