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Re: HoSo56 ECL84
« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2011, 10:06:36 am »
nice sounding amp tubenit - excellent work!

so when do we get to see some pics?

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Re: HoSo56 ECL84
« Reply #51 on: November 03, 2011, 01:24:27 pm »
Tubenit -- Sounds great to me.  :icon_biggrin: Very versatile. Thanks much for demoing the slide sounds.

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Re: HoSo56 ECL84
« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2011, 04:36:54 pm »
i found another pentode that was used a lot and is very easy to find. maybe it's possible to use this as a power tube? http://tdsl.duncanamps.com/sheets/ef80/ef80.pdf

i think i have about 50 of these so if someone wants to experiment...

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Re: HoSo56 ECL84
« Reply #53 on: November 05, 2011, 11:24:12 am »
Sustain, feedback, & tone sounds pretty good but if I have one criticism it is that it sounds a bit muffled. Not sure if it's the recording, you have the treble way down, the pickups setting, or something else? I know you like more mids when playing overdriven so maybe it's the settings you have going? Could you do something to demo more clarity, punch, and snappiness like a clean Fender setting to hear that end of the spectrum? This will help to hear it's range better. Or make a single demo where you adjust settings from one end to the other side of the spectrum to hear it's range unless you're going for a single type of sound w/ it? Thanks for the build info and demo's as always - Keo
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« Reply #54 on: November 12, 2011, 08:39:48 am »
My impression is this ECL91 tube is unusually bass and especially mid oriented in tone?  I have slowly tweaked the amp over the last several wks (doing a tweak or two at a time). Some things I tried got put back to original.  

I kept finding myself trying to dial in more treble or less mids.  Where I had .01 coupling caps after the 5879 and into the LTPI ............. I changed those to .0047. I noticed (after the fact) that the "Impact" amp by Darryl used .0047 caps also.

I am attaching the changes I have made from the original schematic. It is already updated in the SCH library also.

What I kept doing is lessening mids, adding highs and then adding smoothing caps. The amp is not far behind in smoothness than the TBM or TOS amps. AND it is getting pretty close to the same in sustain also.  However, it doesn't have the "blooming" effect that the TBM or TOS amp has even though the sustain is somewhat similar.

I also would say despite using the .0047 caps that the amp still has similar mid accented tones like the TBM and TOS which is a preference for me.  BTW, I find the PAB and mid boost very useful on this amp.

The amp has great harmonics. Since I prefer smoothness over chimey-ness, the smoothing caps sound excellent to me.
The smoothing caps do NOT change the transparency of tone, IMO at all. It does cut down the high end ringing/chimey tone though.  IF you like the chimey tone, then leave out the 10pf caps to ground and the 220p cap from V2-1 to V2-3.

This small amp sounds HUGE to me with the digital delay. And it is very touch sensitive and transparent. This is a really fun amp to play. The amp started off as a "great" sounding amp and now has the "wow" factor going for it, to my ears.

I have indicated the changes on the schematic attached.

With respect, Tubenit



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I have a hard time getting good recordings of an overdriven nature, so I acknowledge the soundclip is just "ok" but you can get the idea of the kind of sustain it has.


Keo,  it is the recording.  I agree with your comment that the (non-backing track) recording  sounds a "bit" muffled.  The brief lead "solo" part on the recording does a better job of giving an example of transparency than the rhythm and chording.  

For some reason, I have a terrible time getting good overdriven recordings. That holds true fot the TBM and TOS amp also in recording. They end up recording being significantly more compressed than in person.  Live, it has a VERY transparent tone compared to the Princeton Reverb I used to own which sounded gritty/muddy to me.

This recording was before the recent changes which improved the smoothness and lessened the mids. Check out the recording starting at 2min & 30 seconds into it for a cleaner tone example. Ignore the sloppy playing, please.

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=11187585&q=hi&newref=1

« Last Edit: November 12, 2011, 10:50:01 am by tubenit »

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Re: HoSo56 ECL84
« Reply #55 on: November 13, 2011, 01:17:40 am »
Much better sounding demo w/ the transparency aspect noticeably better. If you open up both files and alternate between the two, you can really tell the difference. Congrats on another amp!
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Re: HoSo56 ECL84
« Reply #56 on: November 15, 2011, 02:09:33 pm »
Just to show the diversity of this amp.  I recorded my acoustic thru the amp and layered over it. This is a fun amp!  Both the acoustic and electric were thru the SoLow Watt.

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=11218743&q=hi&newref=1

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« Last Edit: November 15, 2011, 08:05:16 pm by tubenit »

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Re: HoSo56 ECL84
« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2011, 08:12:12 am »
Here is another idea of the ECL84 amp design.  Instead of using the triodes on the ECL84, just use the V2b as a cathodyne phase invertor.   (CPI = cathodyne phase invertor)

I have NOT built this. I think it might have more headroom than the SoLow Watt using the LTPI?

I would only involve changing the wiring in four paralleled terminals.

AND ......... with this design, someone could use this layout for other of the low watt push/pull tubes.

Just substitute one of the other tubes.

CHECK for errors.  The SCH editable versions are in the SCH Library under low watt push/pull amps.

http://www.el34world.com/Forum/index.php?topic=12526.0

With respect, Tubenit
« Last Edit: December 24, 2011, 09:55:02 am by tubenit »

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Re: HoSo56 ECL84
« Reply #58 on: December 24, 2011, 10:01:54 am »
Guys, I have been VERY slowly tweaking this SoLow Watt amp for a month!

It sounds fantastic!  I like it better than the 56T that I built.

It has a very smooth overdrive tone and you can back off the volume knob, adjust the mid pot lower to mid scoop it and then you have a nice clean tone.  Harmonics are great. Still has nice chime.

One of the amazing things about this really small amp is that it has great bass response/tone to it. The amp sounds really BIG for a small amp!  I like that alot.

The sustain now equals my Tweed Overdrive. I can sustain almost any note I want until it feedbacks. Yet overdriven, it still has a clean OD tone and is not muddy sounding.

I have absolutely ZERO oscillation issues with everything totally dimed!

This is the most effort I have put in tweaking an amp & it has paid off. I tried alot of stuff that I would immediately reverse. Having said that, I have highlighted the major changes since the "original" schematic.

The editable SCH file is here:  http://www.el34world.com/Forum/index.php?topic=12526.0

IF you need a small bedroom amp that has a great OD tone ....... this is worth considering.

With respect, Tubenit
« Last Edit: December 24, 2011, 10:03:57 am by tubenit »

 


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