Welcome To the Hoffman Amplifiers Forum

September 07, 2025, 12:27:56 pm
guest image
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
-User Name
-Password



Hoffman Amps Forum image Author Topic: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds  (Read 8653 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline bnwitt

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2954
  • Crankin' out the tone.
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« on: February 01, 2018, 12:55:49 pm »
I've started building a couple of Hoffman Princeton Reverb amps and thought I would document it for anyone else thinking about doing one.  I haven't built one since back in 2008 when Hot Blue Plates Hoffmanized the Fender original AA1164 version but these amps will use the current board layouts now in the Hoffman board library.  I've just gotten started and here are the first photos of amp #1's turret board about to be loaded with components.  These are great little amps which sound fantastic and are pretty easy to build for a first time builder.
Guides on your quest for tone.
 Oh yeah, and I'm usually just kidding so don't take me too seriously.

Offline bnwitt

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2954
  • Crankin' out the tone.
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2018, 01:08:35 pm »
And just finished cutting the finger jointed cabinet components.  It's going to be a warm day in SoCal so a good day for gluing.  In the photo of the board below one can see how I ream out the turret holes of the turrets which will have more than one component lead or wire going into them with a tire plug hole reamer.  Put the tip of the reamer into the turret hole and press down while wobbling the handle around in a circle.  After you snap off one you'll know how much pressure is too much.  We call this "wallering out the hole" in Texas.  You can also see the underboard wire leads coming up through the turrets and bending over in "Sluckey style" so they don't fall out.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2018, 08:02:03 pm by bnwitt »
Guides on your quest for tone.
 Oh yeah, and I'm usually just kidding so don't take me too seriously.

Offline davidwpack

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 552
  • I love tube amps
    • My music on reverbnation
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2018, 01:35:24 pm »
Nice! Just wondering; do you use a jig for your joints? Just curious cause I'm getting to build one and was thinking about buying a dovetail joint jig.

Offline bnwitt

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2954
  • Crankin' out the tone.
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2018, 01:43:55 pm »
Yes and no.  I started doing dovetails years ago but for an amp you're going to cover in Tolex it's too much work for not that much stronger of a joint.  I still do dovetails on cabs that are made of fine woods which won't be covered but for my covered cabs I use the Incra IBox device on my router table to make the finger joints.  It is an awesome device and can make very small joints as well as complex ones if you want.




Guides on your quest for tone.
 Oh yeah, and I'm usually just kidding so don't take me too seriously.

Offline sluckey

  • Level 5
  • *******
  • Posts: 5075
    • Sluckey Amps
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2018, 01:46:07 pm »
Nice job Barry. You're beginning to crank out amps like the good ole days.
A schematic, layout, and hi-rez pics are very useful for troubleshooting your amp. Don't wait to be asked. JUST DO IT!

Offline davidwpack

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 552
  • I love tube amps
    • My music on reverbnation
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2018, 01:57:35 pm »
Awesome. Thanks for the info!

Offline bnwitt

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2954
  • Crankin' out the tone.
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2018, 02:23:51 pm »
Steve,
Yep.  Cranking them out over here.  I had so much stock in the shop to get rid of and I'm still not done.  Lots of Marshall stuff to put together as well.  I'm having fun.


David,
If you don't want to buy a jig but do want to build your own cab there is a fellow on eBay who sells knocked down versions that are high quality.  I used to buy them from him before I got my Incra:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pine-Finger-Joined-Cabinet-Kit-and-Plans-Blackface-Fender-Princeton-Reverb-Amp/352266385879?hash=item5204b679d7:g:BVUAAOSw~klZzAeM
Guides on your quest for tone.
 Oh yeah, and I'm usually just kidding so don't take me too seriously.

Offline bnwitt

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2954
  • Crankin' out the tone.
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2018, 07:58:58 pm »
Board is loaded again.  I say again because I bumped it and launched several components into the air and had to reload it. :laugh:
Guides on your quest for tone.
 Oh yeah, and I'm usually just kidding so don't take me too seriously.

Offline davidwpack

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 552
  • I love tube amps
    • My music on reverbnation
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2018, 07:53:18 am »
Thanks for all the info Barry. Think I'm gonna pick up the Incra.

Offline bnwitt

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2954
  • Crankin' out the tone.
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2018, 11:52:46 am »
Have fun with it David.  It is a great unit.
Guides on your quest for tone.
 Oh yeah, and I'm usually just kidding so don't take me too seriously.

Offline mresistor

  • Global Moderator
  • Level 4
  • ******
  • Posts: 3209
  • resistance is futile
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2018, 05:19:25 pm »
Nice work Bnwitt - and thanks for the info about the box joint jig..  mind me asking ... what table saw are you using.  ?

Offline bnwitt

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2954
  • Crankin' out the tone.
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2018, 11:30:21 am »
MR,
I use the Incra Ibox on my Craftsman router table not on a table saw but as you saw if you watched the video, it can be used on either type tool.  My table saw is a Ryobi portable type unit.  It wouldn't work with the Ibox because it doesn't have the proper miter tracks.  You really need a table saw with a good solid cast iron or steel table top with the standard 3/4" miter track grooves and preferably the grooves should be on both sides of the saw blade.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2018, 11:09:10 pm by bnwitt »
Guides on your quest for tone.
 Oh yeah, and I'm usually just kidding so don't take me too seriously.

Offline bnwitt

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2954
  • Crankin' out the tone.
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2018, 11:08:59 pm »
OK so as usual, even with a shop full of parts from years of buying I'm always short something I need for every amp I work on.  This time it's a 1meg pot with SPST switch for the pull bright/volume control and a single RCA phono jack.  But, since I'm also waiting for my engraved plates to arrive which will allow me to drill the extra control hole for a perfect alignment anyway no biggie.  I don't know how everyone does their controls but I usually place the pots on the chassis outside surface and do all of the wiring on them first and then remove the whole assembly and flip it to the inside of the chassis after all the wires are run.  I'll take another picture of this process after I finish the wiring of the pots and jacks so anyone building one of these can see that.


By the way, that extra turret on the B+ power rail with nothing going to it drives me nuts looking at it.  I keep thinking I should solder a tiny American Flag into the hole. :l2:
« Last Edit: February 03, 2018, 11:13:36 pm by bnwitt »
Guides on your quest for tone.
 Oh yeah, and I'm usually just kidding so don't take me too seriously.

Offline sluckey

  • Level 5
  • *******
  • Posts: 5075
    • Sluckey Amps
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2018, 12:29:39 am »
Quote
I don't know how everyone does their controls but I usually place the pots on the chassis outside surface and do all of the wiring on them first and then remove the whole assembly and flip it to the inside of the chassis after all the wires are run.
I do that too. Not for every amp but for some it's easier, especially if there is a lip on the front panel. The chassis I've worked with the last few years don't have a lip on the front, so I usually just wire the pots inside the chassis. If I was building inside one of those blackface Fender chassis I would definitely wire the pots on the outside. Here are a couple projects...

http://sluckeyamps.com/november/nov_02.jpg
http://sluckeyamps.com/revibe/revibe_07.jpg
A schematic, layout, and hi-rez pics are very useful for troubleshooting your amp. Don't wait to be asked. JUST DO IT!

Offline bnwitt

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2954
  • Crankin' out the tone.
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2018, 08:10:28 am »
I do that too. Not for every amp but for some it's easier, especially if there is a lip on the front panel.

Yep.  The lip is the main reason I do it as well.  So hard to wire under it after the pots are inside.
Guides on your quest for tone.
 Oh yeah, and I'm usually just kidding so don't take me too seriously.

Offline mresistor

  • Global Moderator
  • Level 4
  • ******
  • Posts: 3209
  • resistance is futile
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2018, 06:56:03 am »
Thanks bnwitt - I've been looking at getting some better power tools for the shop.
That bias adjust trim pot looks like one I've seen from Peavey. What is it and where are you sourcing them?

Offline bnwitt

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2954
  • Crankin' out the tone.
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2018, 09:46:45 am »
Guides on your quest for tone.
 Oh yeah, and I'm usually just kidding so don't take me too seriously.

Offline mresistor

  • Global Moderator
  • Level 4
  • ******
  • Posts: 3209
  • resistance is futile
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2018, 04:35:54 pm »
Dougs picture on his parts page doesn't show one with a plastic piece sticking up to adjust like that. The ones I have from Doug I have to use an insulated adjustment tool. I guess Doug has sourced these from a different supplier, and the one you have looks just like a Peavey part. 

Offline lego4040

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 917
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2018, 11:22:40 pm »
Nice work on chassis and cabinet, my woodworking days are gone since I sold the house. Hopefully Ill be up in Western NY soon enough and Ill get back into it. American Flag lapel pin would be awesome in that spot

Offline bnwitt

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2954
  • Crankin' out the tone.
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2018, 07:17:33 am »
MR,
I bought mine in a large quantity a long time ago.  I thought it was from Doug but maybe I'm wrong.
Guides on your quest for tone.
 Oh yeah, and I'm usually just kidding so don't take me too seriously.

Offline davidwpack

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 552
  • I love tube amps
    • My music on reverbnation
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2018, 08:55:03 am »
I ordered some from Doug a long time ago and they had the knob. What he has now requires a screwdriver.

Offline bnwitt

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2954
  • Crankin' out the tone.
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2018, 09:11:01 am »
I like the knob type.  I'm not even sure I still have a plastic insulated screwdriver.   I haven't used one of those since my TV repair days.  I sure wouldn't want to take a regular screwdriver into a 400 volt environment.
Guides on your quest for tone.
 Oh yeah, and I'm usually just kidding so don't take me too seriously.

Offline sluckey

  • Level 5
  • *******
  • Posts: 5075
    • Sluckey Amps
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2018, 09:59:04 am »
There's no problem or danger using a regular screwdriver on the bias pots that Hoffman sells.
A schematic, layout, and hi-rez pics are very useful for troubleshooting your amp. Don't wait to be asked. JUST DO IT!

Offline davidwpack

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 552
  • I love tube amps
    • My music on reverbnation
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2018, 10:01:43 am »
 I put shrink wrap tubing around my mini jeweler screwdriver. I'm not dead yet.

Offline bnwitt

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2954
  • Crankin' out the tone.
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2018, 10:43:02 am »
There's no problem or danger using a regular screwdriver on the bias pots that Hoffman sells.

You say that but you haven't seen me aping around inside and amplifier like the Klutz I am. :l2:
Guides on your quest for tone.
 Oh yeah, and I'm usually just kidding so don't take me too seriously.

Offline bnwitt

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2954
  • Crankin' out the tone.
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2018, 11:03:50 am »
Well I thought I would do some detailed documentation on these HPR builds and I'm going to do some short videos today which I'll share in a Dropbox link at a later time. In the mean time, here's a couple of photos. 

One of the things you won't find shown on most layouts is the turret board mounting screws.  That is because each chassis is a little different and it is something you need to figure out on each amp unless you're doing a bunch with the same chassis supplier.  What I always do is mount all of the transformers, capacitor boards, sockets etc  and then figure out where the standoffs for the turret board can go without conflict. 

Then I place a scaled print out of the board in the best possible place so it doesn't fall under the chassis lip and so the board components align with the sockets where possible.  With the HPR there isn't much leeway for the long axis of the chassis positioning unless you want to go way over the multi value capacitor, but there is some leeway on the short axis depending how close you want to be to the sockets or to the controls.  I usually end up putting the board in the middle between the front and back on Fender blackface amps but not always on other amps. 

Once I place the print out I take a look on the back side of the chassis for stand off locations that aren't under a trannie or something else.  On an HPR there is no choke or capacitor doghouse so that frees up a lot of area.  On this particular amp as shown in the photos I've ended up putting the standoffs near the board end on the preamp area and away from the end on the power end.  You can see them in the chassis interior photo and the screws for them on the chassis back side photo.

After I figure this out I mount the stand offs on the board, dab a bit of red nail polish on the bottom of each stand off and set it gently into the chassis in the proper positioning.  After removing the board I have red dots where I an going to drill for the stand offs.  I let the polish dry then center hit the holes with a center punch and then drill them.  I mount the board to check for alignment but then take it back out until all chassis wiring not related to the board is completed before putting it back in.  This is because if the board is in when you're wiring up the sockets, controls or other non board wiring you are apt to knuckle the board and bend component leads.

You will notice on this particular chassis that the reverb driver transformer holes are not properly spaced and I had to flip that transformer around and mount it differently than in a stock PR amp.  In the PDF file I posted in this thread I have a page with the MOJO PR chassis drawing I got way back in 08 when I was first doing these amps and those holes are the same.  I don't know if they have changed them since but these chassis (not from MOJO) which I purchased recently have the spacing too far apart as well.  Now this is for the current reverb driver transformers that are available.  I believe the original trannies were bigger.

One thing you probably can't see in these photos that I do to make things easier is I put a red dot dab of nail polish on the 8 pin sockets at the #1 pin.  I do this because the 8 pin symmetry makes it harder to determine which pin is which unlike the 9 pin sockets which have a spacing and I can't read the numbers on the socket very will at my age.  Another thing that is hard to see is the two 3 terminal strips I have installed inside the chassis.  One is near the multi-cap and the other is on the right side of the PT.  The one near the cap is for the heater wire connections from PT to the pilot lamp and the wires going to the sockets and the grounded center tap terminal is for the power section ground point.  The other 3 tab terminal strip is for the PT/power cord hot and common wires and the grounded center terminal is for the UL safety ground wire of the power cord.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2018, 11:41:07 am by bnwitt »
Guides on your quest for tone.
 Oh yeah, and I'm usually just kidding so don't take me too seriously.

Offline lego4040

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 917
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2018, 01:28:28 pm »
MScaggs(P2P Amps) demenstrated how he installs Dougs boards in his Princton Reverb. This board doesnt leave yo much room to move around left and right. I have my board starting right where cap can edge is and you have just enough room on opposite side to place standoffs and get a screwdriver past lip to screw down. For once I didnt have to oversize the holes to line up and lock down

Offline bnwitt

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2954
  • Crankin' out the tone.
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2018, 03:11:16 pm »
MScaggs(P2P Amps) demonstrated how he installs Dougs boards in his Princton Reverb.

Where?  In another thread?
Guides on your quest for tone.
 Oh yeah, and I'm usually just kidding so don't take me too seriously.

Offline lego4040

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 917
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2018, 04:02:10 pm »
Found it, he explains starting at 48 second mark. But all his vids on the PR build are incredible

Offline VMS

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 739
  • I love tube amps
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2018, 04:19:50 pm »
...and great pictures on the project page:


http://www.p2pamps.com/project-page/




Offline lego4040

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 917
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2018, 05:54:39 pm »
I almost bought the Jupiter's too for my build but I just couldn't. I almost bought the sozo blue next gen's, supposed to be the same as blue astrons


https://www.tubesandmore.com/products/capacitor-sozo-nexgen-blue-molded-vintage

Offline bnwitt

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2954
  • Crankin' out the tone.
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2018, 07:22:16 am »
Well I didn't know those videos existed.  Very nice.  As far as Sozos, Astron blues or any other vintage modeled capacitors I came to the conclusion years ago that the material construction and value of the caps make the sound and not mojo from anything else.  Even variances between Polyester, Polystyrene, Polypropylene or PIO doesn't do as much to the sound as changing values to my ears.  And believe me I went down the holy grail cap road with real Mullards in 18 watters and PIOs in other amps.  Now I use Xicons, Mallory 150s, silver micas and occasionally orange drop 715s.  Doug has just about any kind of cap you'd want to try.  I guess everyone has to go thru this hunt though.
Guides on your quest for tone.
 Oh yeah, and I'm usually just kidding so don't take me too seriously.

Offline MFowler

  • Level 2
  • **
  • Posts: 239
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2018, 09:46:17 am »
P2P amps Mike I think his name is builds some nice amps.

Did you notice he uses concentric pots for mid and bass he said?  I remember someone asking for a source for those pots a while back maybe it was him.

Mark

Offline lego4040

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 917
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2018, 11:03:42 am »
This is the cocentric pot thread by Mike,
http://http://el34world.com/Forum/index.php?topic=19789.msg206655

{Edit-- fix munged URL -- PRR}
« Last Edit: February 08, 2018, 08:08:41 pm by PRR »

Offline mresistor

  • Global Moderator
  • Level 4
  • ******
  • Posts: 3209
  • resistance is futile
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2018, 11:39:37 am »
Concerning the turret board busses - I've been considering that wrapping the wire around the turrets. from one turret to the next, and making a better physical connection before soldering to the turrets might be a better way to go. I think once Brad mentioned in one of my posts that proper physical connections are necessary in high reliability soldering. It's what we were taught in tech school too. Granted the way that P2P. myself and others have implemented the buss lacing is sufficient, and it sure looks purdy, but is it the best way to go about it?  In the way I have done it and see it being done, there isn't any real secure physical connection on some of the turrets, the ones in the inside on a string of turrets. They are relying on the solder as the connection. Any thoughts?
« Last Edit: February 08, 2018, 12:37:09 pm by mresistor »

Offline pompeiisneaks

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 1689
  • Tube is as Tube does
    • Daviszone
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2018, 11:56:59 am »
P2P amps Mike I think his name is builds some nice amps.

Did you notice he uses concentric pots for mid and bass he said?  I remember someone asking for a source for those pots a while back maybe it was him.

Mark

He's actually a member/moderator here on this forum :)  Mike Scaggs.  Yes an outstanding builder and pedal steel player and pedal steel rebuilder :)

~Phil
--
Phil Davis
tUber Nerd =|D

Offline sluckey

  • Level 5
  • *******
  • Posts: 5075
    • Sluckey Amps
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2018, 12:16:25 pm »
When I lace turrets I always make a 360° loop around every turret.
A schematic, layout, and hi-rez pics are very useful for troubleshooting your amp. Don't wait to be asked. JUST DO IT!

Offline lego4040

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 917
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Hoffman Princeton Reverb builds
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2018, 01:31:07 pm »
This is what P2P says he did to those pots
Quote
I used a CTS Stacked Concentric Pot, 500K/250K.  Tied in a 220K and a 27K to get values of 100K and 25K on the pot.  It worked fine and sounds exactly how I wanted it to sound

 


Choose a link from the
Hoffman Amplifiers parts catalog
Mobile Device
Catalog Link
Yard Sale
Discontinued
Misc. Hardware
What's New Board Building
 Parts
Amp trim
Handles
Lamps
Diodes
Hoffman Turret
 Boards
Channel
Switching
Resistors Fender Eyelet
 Boards
Screws/Nuts
Washers
Jacks/Plugs
Connectors
Misc Eyelet
Boards
Tools
Capacitors Custom Boards
Tubes
Valves
Pots
Knobs
Fuses/Cords Chassis
Tube
Sockets
Switches Wire
Cable


Handy Links
Tube Amp Library
Tube Amp
Schematics library
Design a custom Eyelet or
Turret Board
DIY Layout Creator
File analyzer program
DIY Layout Creator
File library
Transformer Wiring
Diagrams
Hoffmanamps
Facebook page
Hoffman Amplifiers
Discount Program