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Offline blandman74

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amp cabinet design
« on: July 14, 2009, 04:20:33 pm »
Can anyone direct me to a forum or web resource for building a simple guitar amp cabinet?  

My design goals are unusual, otherwise I would just try to copy successful cabinets:  I have put together a small, 1/2W, solid-state apartment-volume amp and want to use this 3-inch speaker.  It has a professed freq range of 120 to 17,000, a resonant frequency of 120 Hz, and a 10W rating, and is obviously not much more than a toy.  My box is intended as a cutesy mini-amp, not a high-performance one, that can fit on a bookshelf.  So it's laughable, I know, to want to put high-powered design resources into this, but any modest uses of design techniques to improve the sound would be a learning experience for me!

Anyway, my idea is expand the lower range a small amount by building a small, ported cabinet that is not much bigger than the speaker itself.  But I need some starting-off help.  Any suggestions?

EDIT: un-munged link URL. -PRR

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Re: amp cabinet design
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2009, 05:35:47 pm »
> obviously not much more than a toy

It may be a very excellent thing, within its obvious limits. Of course it may be junk, no way to know from the catalog. But the similar Fostex FE-103 is a really good full-range small-room speaker.

> ported cabinet

Insufficient data to calculate a port-box.

> not much bigger than the speaker itself.

The leverage in a small-cone ported box comes from LARGE box volume.

Also, unless you can shift the port-resonance far below the working band, the cone will un-load and flap horribly.

Despite insufficient specific data, I can guess what typical speakers of that type will do.

Your first-hack is to compute 1.1 times the speaker nominal diameter, or 3.3". Cube that, 36 cubic inches. Sealed box. This will very likely bring Q near unity, a good balance between bass extension and boom. Figure a box that volume, non-equal dimensions, largest on the face. Is the speaker 2" deep? Then we want 18 square inches of face, say 4"x5" or 3"x6". Your board thickness can be 1/20th of span, quarter-inch stuff. Or since face is braced by speaker, sides are 2", and rear-panel radiation may go-away and get-lost, perhaps 1/8" stuff.

I would expect this to cut-off at 200Hz or 250Hz. Yes, you lose several octaves of guitar-ballz. However half-Watt at nominal 88dB SPL/W will give just 85-86dB SPL peaks in an apartment, and at that level, bass is weak due to ear effects (Fletcher-Munson) so we may not know the difference even with a ballsy speaker. Guitar sings above 200Hz, and low-notes spray ample harmonics up the frequency band so you hear them at correct pitch even when the fundamental is inaudible.

You can try a larger box, 4x to 8X volume, 150-300 cubic inches. Instead of being bumped-up at ~~240Hz, it will droop from 300Hz all the way down. The large sealed box will give "more" efficiency at 80Hz, but that may be 20dB down from mid-range level.... you won't hear it. However a 11"H 3"W 9" deep box is a great fit on a bookshelf, and set near-flush with book-spines you have plenty of acoustic support for midband waves, and damping for flimsy side-panels.

This would be a possible size for a vented box. However the naked cone is sure to be falling below 200Hz. We can't set the box resonance more than a half-octave lower (140Hz) or we get a dip/peak which will "miss" half the notes. And all notes below ~~120Hz will just slap, forcing a high-pass filter in the amp. (With just 0.5W into a "10W" speaker, maybe only your lowest note will slap.) My main objection is that box-tuning calculations are hard, and we don't have any speaker parameters.

You should also try just a square foot of heavy cardboard with a 3" hole a bit off-center. Open-back baffle. Bass will droop; but that happens in any case. The total acoustic power to the room doubles; back-radiation adds to the reverberant field. The sound field is more complex, more interesting to the ear. It sounds less like a 3-inch hole and more like a good-size instrument. I dunno how it fits on your bookshelf; you could build it 11" tall and 2" wide like a book, and pull it off the shelf to play.
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Re: amp cabinet design
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2009, 06:05:17 pm »
> apartment-volume amp

Got some wall-space?

Go to the Thrift/Junk store and throw $5 for a dog-legged neck 3-string acoustic guitar.

Gently bust a 4" hole in the back.

Glop Shoe-Goo on the corners of your 3" speaker, lay it behind the guitar's sound hole, let set.

Sneak a wire out, hang it on a nail.

It will play. It may even sound a lot like a guitar.

And when not in use, it is Wall Art.

If it don't suck: wax-up the finish, tune the remaining strings into your lowest octave (or below if they just rattle), run crazy-glue in any buzzy soundboard cracks.

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Re: amp cabinet design
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2009, 08:36:49 am »


This is terrific.  I will try for a 300 cu. inch enclosure.  Thanks!

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Re: amp cabinet design
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2009, 10:47:53 pm »
-You should also try just a square foot of heavy cardboard with a 3" hole a bit off-center.

why off center?

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Re: amp cabinet design
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2009, 09:07:18 am »
-You should also try just a square foot of heavy cardboard with a 3" hole a bit off-center.

why off center?

To help to prevent resonance

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Re: amp cabinet design
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2009, 01:56:26 am »
-You should also try just a square foot of heavy cardboard with a 3" hole a bit off-center.

why off center?

To help to prevent resonance

Not necessesarily resonance. What happens is if the speaker is placed dead center of the cabinet, you have equal dimensions all around the perimeter of the front of the cabinet. This is a bad thing. The distance from the center to the edge of the cabinet is the wavelength of a certain frequency. this causes a massive suckout (drop) of that particular frequency. the reason the speaker is usually mounted off center is to spread out and reduce the affected frequencies.
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Re: amp cabinet design
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2009, 10:03:24 pm »
This brings to mind a question I've had - does the speaker need to be off center on both dimensions, or is one dimension sufficient?  For example, if the speaker is centered in a cab, left-to-right, but off-center top-to-bottom, will that be enough to eliminate the ill effects (suckout)?

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Re: amp cabinet design
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2009, 11:54:29 pm »
A guitar speaker isn't hi-fi, so there isn't much of a problem with the driver off-center in one dimension. Have at it!
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Re: amp cabinet design
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2009, 11:43:47 am »
There is some debate as to whether off center speakers solve a problem or not.  You will notice there are a number of manufacturers that do both.  Yes I have not come across any study that says one works over the other (and yet another area of voodoo). If you can afford two baffle boards give each a shot and see for yourself.  I have done this on my combo cabs and like the speaker off center.  Because the amp is mounted at the top, the speaker is naturally off center up and down.

 


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Re: amp cabinet design
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2009, 06:17:22 pm »
Quite right, TON, if you want too much info- just google baffle-step compensation... If you are making something to compete with high end gear, then you might worry. but in our price range- it's not worth getting into the debate or worrying much about it. Leo didn't.
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