Planer tear-down

[shooter]

Paid for itself building (over buying) the pantry, (circa early 90's), lumber sourced local, the last Mom&Pop before the big boxes ate them.
sides n back are 3/4 oak plywood, everything else is ruff-sawn 100 year old red oak.
 many smalls later and a 1500sgft addition, she sat, obsoleted in the new age.


The neighbor just retired, he's been planking up wood with his mill.  If I can get 'ol blue in working order, I can trade planer work for chickens, eggs, lumber, the sky's the limit in the modern world   

[sluckey]

Well, get on with it! Maybe you'll inspire me to overhaul my '80s Rockwell RC-33. Nice looking pantry.

[shooter]

I "normally" awaken at ~4AM, slept in til 8!!!  think the PB Blaster fumes got me 
she's down to the head unit, that'll stay intact til I get some measurements


The pantry's just a functioning build, but she's big, heavy, and has enough "creative space" to loose track of food til way past expiration!

[sluckey]

That pantry has some good ideas. Shelves on the doors, rotating shelf unit inside. Don't see that often. I really like the warm stain color. What is that? And did I see a couple Zatarain boxes? I love some red beans and rice or dirty rice on a cold day.

Years ago I rebuilt our cabinets by the refrigerator. One of my first functional Shopsmith projects. I dreamed up a full length pull-out pantry with full extension slides. Very useful. It's hard for items to hide. Never seen one before or after. Only takes up about 10" of floor space.

[shooter]

The Big-box stores had moved into the area, think Lowes was just opened, we went n looked, She fell in love with their "signature" $2500.00 pantry.
went back over the next couple days with ruler, left sketchpad in truck.  Over the next couple days I stole the design, then went to the local Mom&Pop hardware-lumberyard.  A month later and ~$400 she got her dream pantry, I paid off the Planer 
The hinge for the swing out section is a 3 foot "piano" hinge that we used on a 300 pound swing-out tape backup system, 25 years later swinging fine.


back then I was using mostly Deft, it's not stained, just many clear coats, the color comes from the oak itself, was a nice "buttery" color.  The stump was a missive beast.  The guy that ran the portable mill let me cut up his slab wood and all the branches (think 8-12" limbs) from the trunk harvests on the family farm.  Kept us warm n free firewood for 10+ years.


since the start of the stupid years I've been buying the 10 for a dollar stuff, cooking on my woodburning stove "end of world meals" 
added the pull-out slide on top this year for baking supplies, I'm baking inside the Dutch oven on the woodstove, working on a couple "signature" breads/cakes.  Just got a sour cream biscuit cake dialed in, experimenting with "addons" next.

[shooter]

2 more screws out, 6 left, then the rollers are out. might have to wait on the blade bolts til I get the head out, then I can hit it with air tools!! 


measured the cutter head, the blade tips are ~~ +35 thousands from the mounting shaft.  spent hours hunting up the blade gage, nope.
least now I can get them back to where they sit.


time for 2nds!

[shooter]

still no progress on breaking loose the Philips screws holding rollers, Athens Auto on Tuesday for an impact screwdriver and 5mm Allen socket in 3/8" drive, the 1/4" drive ain't getting it done


1st pass cleaning, then more degreasing, sanding, cleaning.  hopefully by then the head unit will yield to reasonable force 


pulled the brushes, the commutator(?) looks all shiny new, no carbon buildup that I can see through the brush holes

[shooter]

broke down n bought a hammer drill, PLUS 1 for hammers drills!!
back outside on the wood pile

[shooter]

Speaking fluent Sailor again! 
The other bearing, few taps, plop.  This one, the one that sounded like a road-side motel on Saturday night is seized to the shaft. 3 days lube n beat’n yields no progress.
Took the day off, picked up the new bearings, tomorrow it’s red-neck metal shop.  Grinding down a 5/8” combination wrench to make a “mini” ball joint tool.  If I can get movement, I win. 
the pic flashed me back to Dad's garage, working on my 64 slant-6 head, brother Tom pulling gopher duty

[PRR]

Thought of your planer:

[shooter]

 
mine weighs 57lb, you think big
I drug a 1 ton stake bed 47 ford home 25years ago.  Tore it down, EVERYTHING on that truck weighed more than me!!!  Was amazed at how heavy the steering wheel was.
The 85hp went to a flat head'er, that rebuilt it.  he had 20 fully rebuild n tested before the wife made him sell them for divorce money.
seen him about a year later, he hid 5, mine was one, it wound up in some 50's Mercury someone else restored.

[shooter]

tools for the beatdown of a bearing 


some honing, lots of grease, the seat 'll be good as new-ish in my lifetime
need to re-cut the threads on the blade holder, beating on the nut smoothed a few down 
time for clean hands, music and meds for the arthritis that will show up soon.

[shooter]

the ridges are gone, the dents are there for posterity.
the main bar has a few large dents, I believe as long as the blade can set flush the bar dents aren't really in play, not sure if it'll still leave a 1/16" "ridge" behind the cutting edge?


the bearing that plopped went to Athens Auto, got mic'd, crossed, and delivered.  the problem child is 1/8" larger in diameter! back in the morning.

[PRR]

> 1/8" larger in diameter!

According to manual, the one on the cog end is is 6203LLB; stub end is 6202LLB

https://www.amazon.com/NTN-Bearing-6203LLB-Non-Contact-Clearance/dp/B000UVJ0B4

Five bucks, can't beat that. (Ah, $7+ shipping; still a steal)

[shooter]

 
ya, I made an assumed!


never bonded with any of the shop in your underwear on-line places.  think the "pair" I got from Athens Auto was about $15.  plus some swapped "off-color" jokes, a couple "how's Don, Art, Joe, n the new guy that's only been there 7 years. 
so they'll buy back one, Mic, cross, n order, the new one, next day it'll be there.  something about that row of "magic books" brings out the kid in me

[shooter]

Art worked his magic, even in-stock $7.89.  Then we made fun of a 20 something looking for a hose that was leaking, didn't know truck's year/model
which hose, supply/return, heater or radiator.  cut him some slack for finding year/model on registration, AND having Google tell him what the hose was called 
entertainment in a small town.  I had him buy the clamps, radiator fluid, even explained why n showed him how to tell when the clamp was "tight enough"  maybe another back yard mechanic in the making
put the 2nd batch of smalls in degreaser, put up wood, brushed down, drained n wiped the parts, put 'em in an oil soak for a day or 2
got the 1st batch of smalls out of the oil, semi-final clean, wiped down.


back to see if the magic books have a belt, 2 cracks on the inside of old one, feels stiff also.

[sluckey]

Lookin' good!

[shooter]

after all the sanding on the cradle, it wanted a hot soak, Ya, I got caught, "CLEAN THE SINK WHEN YOU'RE DONE playing", I did


busted open the power train, going to be another slow-go, the pulley appears to be threaded on, based on the exploded diagram.  probably not good to jam the fins on the fan full of screwdrivers to hold shaft, or put vise grips in the pulley, thinking.....

[shooter]

cleaned up the last of the smalls, decided to rattle-can the motor cradle since I had the paint, the woodstove for curing, n the wife in Florida.
about 1/2 way on the paint layers....


actual winter showed up pissed, turning to spring this afternoon so it's chimney sweep day, yeaha! when I installed the stove I bought a "slip-pipe" flew pipe, so 2 screws, slip up, set on porch n clean main pipes from the bottom, inside, out of winter!


 

[shooter]

winters supposed to show up Friday crankier than a wet hen, stay for a couple days


got the stage set, plenty of wood, music, let it snow...


feed rollers 1st, blade holder next, will have to take back out, still need to fix the buggered threads on the lock nut
only cut myself twice handling the blade holder, the "fixed" knives, now well sharpened, plus 10lbs of steel body, WILL bite you

[PRR]

> winters supposed to show up Friday crankier than a wet hen, stay for a couple days ... got the stage set, plenty of wood, music, let it snow...

Just rain and HIGH wind here, Saturday. Got 9 gallons of toilet-flushing water on hand for if the electric goes out (pump).

> WILL bite you

This week I learned: A LA-Z-Boy can be hungry too.

[shooter]

Saturday the temps drop to teens without factoring 30mph wind!  Today was one of those moments when living el norte' in winter is worth it.  30F, heavy snow that blankets everything bringing a quiet solitude, pics n words can't express


spent the day cook'n on the woodstove, pork shoulder n noodles, lunch...barbequed chicken, dinner, my 4th consistent, Sour Cream Biscuit Cake.
tested the bearings, decided it's a do once, correctly, so wait til I can clean up the threads.  Got the rollers lubed, geared n snap-ringed


oh ya, put up toilet flush'n water before the snow arrived.

[shooter]

no power since Fri 8P, no estimate on when, they just assign a new 24 hours from now each day!
-5 with the winds, poor woodstove is runnin hard!! keeping inside above the Miserable setting 
seen the DEI hire in warm car with tablet, explained the big limbs shorting L1 to common 'tween the transformer n my pole, don't think he knows electrical terminology yet, don't think he had any interest, don't think he was typing on the tablet as I explained   


need a new laptop battery when this is over!

[PRR]

> no power since Fri 8P

I feel your rain.

Since I had ample water in hand (or in jugs) our power never went out (the PC went down but the last 60Hz clock lost "no" time so just a blip). Instead the wind started tearing the roof off the chicken shed. No chickens anymore but a fair lot of patio and garden supplies. Not a good day to go up the ladder. I set the ladder and went back for screws, the ladder blew down. I got an iron strap and handful of long screws in the worst corner for now. I suspect I want to hire this fixed.

[shooter]

Since I had ample water in hand

I use the same logic!


Ya, roof work now is NOT like the younger years!  Neighbor retired early at 57, decided the house needed re-roofing while he was young, he's yellin, I go over thinking it's "throw him in the truck-bed, hospital time" then I see the ladder on the ground, Matt on the roof.  later at the mail box, once 3 sides were done, "I think I'm older than I thought, hauling those sheets n shingles about killed me"

[acheld]

roof work now is NOT like the younger years!

No words spoken have more truth than the above!

I've been following the planer refurb -- been thinking about getting one myself.  One more tool to make chips n' dust.

[shooter]

been thinking about getting one myself.

the "replacements" - new ones - are close to what I originally paid way way back.
if you go down the dusty road, pick up a 2nd set of knives.
when the sawdust in the air takes on a "blue hue"  it's time to ventilate, sorta like seeing St. Elmo's fire between the fingers on a Mountain top 

[shooter]

Got grid lock, tracking well
took 24hrs, sneaking the propane heated side back to normal cycling
made it to Athens Auto yesterday, settled on 5/8 18 as the threads, picked up tap&die, started with die, 30min at 13F n zip on getting a start.
came in, thawed out, slide tap through the nut, barely making contact, back for a second chance raffle in the morning 


3 of us agreed the standard gauge seated the best, the Metric gauge was a close second, can't recall how we came up with diameter though 

[shooter]

a happy mistake
using the wrong die, to small, i ate the 1st 1.5 threads, the buggered ones, nut threads on straight n tight!  Red locktite, should be good.


the problem bearing was more than well behaved, the well behaved bearing is a problem child!
diameters good, but i can "feel" snags thru the caliper.  some stone work n fingers crossed.

[Willabe]

Wow, looking great shooter! 

[sluckey]

Any progress?

[shooter]

need a pro to press one of the bearings, tax man wants way to much, soo.  Hoping by May I can free-up some cash for the machine shop.
but I look at it every day 

[PRR]

> If I can get movement, I win. 

This may not help you now, but somebody needs it:

The Bread Trick

[shooter]

Nice!
had to replace the clutch on my chainsaw couple months back, the tube had a guy looked backwoods enough.
pull the plug, set the piston at bottom, shove as much lamp-cord into the plug hole as possible
chisel n hammer on the "arm" of the clutch-pack (CCW), 5 good hits, spun loose n off.


The problem child is the shaft, it's 1/2" shorter than seat, so the bearing starts into the seat, but without some shaft-centering "device" that can also press bearing, i'm always off,... just enough.  was splitting wood the other day n thought, "that'll press if i can just center". left it at thought for now. 


Tax man will have his grift Monday, then put the pocket change in the jar for awhile, plead poverty with the machine-shop next street over...
The nice thing about ADD, we always have something "else" to work on. 

[PRR]

> shove as much lamp-cord into the plug hole

When you graduate to grown-up 4-stroke engines<G>, you may learn the rope trick lets you change valve springs, keepers, and seals in the car heads-on. I have done it with air pressure but a yard of cotton rope is less tense.

[shooter]

 
the 1st head I did; rigged up a "carrier", pedaled the 10 speed down the 4-lane to the NAPA store/machining shop. couple weeks later, picked up, with Bothers help got the Chevy 250 working without the Mosquito fogger option!

[uki]

Any progress?

[shooter]

 
finally got motor bearing out and replaced, repacked the planetary gears with grease and now I can't get the planets aligned!


didn't get the blade unit to the real machinists yet, money keeps getting re-allocated


It stares at me every time I sit at the computer though 
I still have hopes before spring, already have enough projects in-waiting to wear it back out

[shooter]

some progress;
the base assembly made it to the car last week, hoping the real machinists get it next week to align n press the bearing I can't


got the planets aligned, assembled, mounted, cleaned up, switch installed.  hopefully motor test in a day or so

[shooter]

The good news, the machine shop pressed the bearing, built me a bearing pressing tool
Asked what I owed, “don’t worry about it” Gave him $40
 
The bad news, motor fired up fine, powered back up for a 1 minute, fine, after 5 minutes off, noticed a warmth on the motor end, planet gears ambient temp.  Fired up for 2 minutes, fine, about 5 minutes later, POP, motor shaft warmer than I would expect, gear-box room temp still.
Alignment, 25-year-old plastic fatigue, other, all the above
 
So it’s a bust, off to a box.  over paid the tax-man enough to get a new, cheaper quality, replacement.

[acheld]

Awww, I hate when that happens.   

Right now I'm talking to my 20yo fridge ice maker, and it's not listening.

[Willabe]

Right now I'm talking to my 20yo fridge ice maker, and it's not listening.

I fixed ours, it was the motor run/start cap and the coils needed cleaning. 

They sell them with a second cap in the can to help jump start the old compressor. Same as for the outside AC compressor unit. They don't cost much at all.

[Willabe]

The bad news, motor fired up fine, ....
 
So it’s a bust, off to a box. 

That's a pain.

[Willabe]

Right now I'm talking to my 20yo fridge ice maker, and it's not listening.

I fixed ours, it was the motor run/start cap and the coils needed cleaning. 

They sell them with a second cap in the can to help jump start the old compressor. Same as for the outside AC compressor unit. They don't cost much at all.

I can't remember now, but there was an easy test I found on line, (you tube video?) to determine what was wrong.

[acheld]

It's just the ice maker, everything else works.  I've installed new parts everywhere I can find a part number, but it's just not hearing what I have to say.   

Like shooter's planer.    I'm feeling the pain    

[shooter]

oh mine heard, then just middle-fingered me for my efforts 


here we have plastic ice makers, add water, freeze, walla!


while it is "on hold" since spring is days away, on crappy rain days, I will be looking for some creative engineering alternatives for drive system

[shooter]

replaced the planer, put the new one to work on some Cherry from the Tree God took down for me couple years back.


I re-purposed lower half of an abandoned 70's Ethen-Allen Hutch, no planning required but took 2 cans of stripper and20 hours of hand-sanding just to get through the neglect.
 
a second abandon piece was an old sewing machine that I caped off with new cherry, using as a drying table for my hot peppers n such.


the upper 1/2 the hutch will get a new top and become the catch-all for winter woodstove cooking

[shooter]

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