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Why grown up peoples should never go back to college.
« on: February 08, 2012, 06:53:20 pm »
Hey my friends,

I have resisted the temptation as long as I can to share this with, hmm, well, anyone, but I can't stand it anymore.
I recently retired from the military and have spent the last several months finishing up a college degree I started many years ago. Trouble is, I'm all grown up now, and I know a thing or two about the world. That makes it difficult to just blindly believe whatever nonsense these professors throw at me.
Anyway, I am taking a filler class right now. It is a science class that looks at the sources and causes of natural disasters.
The professor is an absolute loon. The only way I can maintain my sanity in the classroom is to take careful notes on each piece of lunacy that spews forth from her mouth.
Here is my list as of today.
Please don't read this if your springs are easily busted.

1. There is a landing station on the moon.
2. We are undergoing global warming and descending into an ice age at the same time.
3. A sound with a period frequency of 2 days sounds like a Tibetan monk humming.
4. A triangle is three dimentional.
5. Three dimentional energy is matter.
6. Third world countries make conscious decisions to live without technology.
7. It is loud in space.
8. Popoqueteptl is on the Spanish coast.
9. Jupiter and Uranus are not real planets.
10. Uranium is just a rock that happened to capture radiation from the earth's core.
11. The earth's core is iron because it is the heaviest element and sank to the bottom (corrected a couple of days later to read, iron and nickel for the same reason).
12. The ozone holds all the heat from the earth's core inside the atmosphere.
13. Their is life in the mantle of the earth.
14. If an 18 wheeler has a head on collision with a Volkwagon beetle, the VW usually winds up on top of the 18 wheeler.
15. In our lifetimes, south will become north.
16. (my personal favorite) Comet Lovejoy passed through the sun and was not destroyed.

Obviously, these comments are missing their respective contexts, but as you can see, there is no context where they would'nt sound rediculous. I find myself wondering just how stupid I am for actually paying to have somebody spout this nonsense at me.

Dave
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Re: Why grown up peoples should never go back to college.
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2012, 07:02:55 pm »
Yeah and I bet she has tenure and can't be fired!



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Re: Why grown up peoples should never go back to college.
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2012, 07:37:31 pm »
see if you can organize the whole class to cut out lifesized eyes from magazines and paste them on their eyelids and keep there eyes closed while facing her for the whole class period while randomly opening and closing their mouths. This usually will get no noticable reaction from the teacher but she most likely will not return for a few days...repeat as necessary until an appropriate replacement is found
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2012, 07:24:20 am »
The magazine eyes thing would take more effort than I am prepared to put in. I am just going to force myself to take the information on board and at the end of the semestre do an extreme brain dump.

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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2012, 07:46:40 am »
Since you are a grown up, you can mount some resistance.  There's nothing to stop you from trying to get an appointment with her department head or dean.  Spreading misinformation in a classroom is unforgivable.

Young students tend to assume they are peons, but the reality of academia is that speech and ideas are supposed to be free and discourse is supposed to be open.  You can't get kicked out by opening your mouth as long as you aren't disruptive.  Check with your advisor if you have one.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2012, 10:45:57 am »
Then by all means The Bassmanster's advice is spot on.......
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2012, 02:15:09 pm »
Dave,

I also went back as an adult to finish my degrees.  Like you, I had to take a few filler classes and took Sociology.  Now, I lean to the right of Genghis Khan.  Our tenured "professor" was about 60 years old and spent most of the class time patting himself on the back for all the social work he did on the weekends (this was a 3 hour weekend class, more later).  The rest of the time was spent on how corrupt and unfeeling all the Republicans were, Reagan was the devil incarnate, and how Stalin was on the right track.  I'd say the class was 80% traditional age and the rest were old folks like me.  However, looking around at all the nodding faces, I felt I was the Lone Ranger and kept my mouth shut.  One day, after a particularly outrageous, inaccurate, and completely ridiculous diatribe, I was walking down the hall shaking my head during a break.  I traditional aged girl walking behind me said, "Can you believe the crap he spews out week after week?"  I thought, yes! there is hope for this generation!  

Now me being me...I looked up Professor Allaboutme's teaching schedule for the past few years.  Since I was a non-traditional student, my classes were evenings and weekends and I always saw him there on the weekends.  It turns out he works a full schedule just about every weekend.  So unless his social work runs from 8pm to 4am, I doubt he is getting much done - no way.  Our final paper was 80% of our grade.  I wrote mine on the welfare state and medical care.  I interviewed over a dozen doctors at the hospital where my wife works as a nurse.  I will not get into specifics, but they all pretty much trashed his stance on everything.  The last class we watched a glorified movie about the old USSR and then he handed our papers back.  He handed out everyone's but mine and told me he wanted to see me after class.

After everyone left, he closed the door and proceeded to yell at me about how this was the worst, most inaccurate, cold hearted, collection of fiction he had ever read.  Yes, he yelled!  After he finally shut up, I calmly asked him when was the last time he performed one of his feats of grandeur in the social realm.  He went on and on about how just last week, blah, blah, blah...  I asked him if he skipped class to do that or if this was just another one of the many lies he's told us all semester long - as I read off his weekend class schedules for the last two years.  He threw my paper at me and told me to get out.  I then told him with a smile, "I sat through an entire semester of your point of view without challenging one thing, very difficult - and now the facts noted in my paper are getting in the way of a good discussion?"  He literally screamed, "Your entire paper is a lie!"  Now, being German, and not being smart enough to know when to walk away, I said, "Save your drama for the kids, as there is nothing about you that impresses me.  Your behavior only confirms what I know to be true."  He looked like he was going to have a stroke and started screaming, "Get out!" over and over.  Of course I took my time gathering up my books and told him to have a nice day as I walked out.  When I got outside there were about 6 traditional age kids from my class that were saying, "That was awesome!".  I looked at my paper and every single line was marked out in red with comments written in the margins and on the back.  He had even attached additional pages with all sorts of incoherent babbling.  On the last page he had given me an "A".  Uh oh......  I figured he had already flunked me because of his out of control response.  I told the kids that it is sometimes better to retreat and have the last laugh when grades come out, knowing your idiot professor didn't influence you - that you have to be smarter than city hall.  THinking the worst, I went to the dean of the department and explained the exchange, telling her I had witnesses.  I was also very adamant that I had better get a passing grade and that his behavior was completely unacceptable.  She did not say much, other than they would look into it.  I did get an "A".  I'd bet that if I had been 18 or 19, they would have thrown me out.  I told my wife that I would have looked pretty stupid trying to prove a point with this guy - cutting off my nose to spite my face.  He holds all the cards and will never change.  It's like jumping up and down in the middle of the woods.  I feel better, but nobody else cares!

So yes Dave, grin and bear it, and do a brain dump at the end of the semester!  If the Dean is a reasonable person, you can take your notes to him/her after the fact.  You never know.  

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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2012, 02:15:44 pm »
Bassmanster, I'd say about 30% of the professors I had (and this was a period of about 10-15 years ago) were open to discussion and actually encouraged it.  The rest were pompous a-holes feeding slanted information one-way.  One of the best professors I had taught World Religions.  Due to the passionate nature of the subject, there were some very brutal and heated discussions in this class.  Yet in the end, we had no clue as to what religion he practiced.  We had to ask on the last day and were VERY surprised when he told us.  THAT is how every subject should be taught!  Unfortunately it is few and far between.

BTW, I later did some adjunct teaching at this University for the Business School.  I told the Dean that I would not last long, being the only conservative teacher within 100 miles of the campus!  She said, "I'm going to keep my eye on you!"  I think she was kidding....  So there are reasonable people in these schools, they just might be hard to find.  And hey, I don't begrudge anyone having an opposing view of life.  It's just that in a teaching environment, you should be balanced - and that is hard to do!

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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2012, 02:24:47 pm »
That's not what I'm saying.  I'm saying you can bitch, moan, protest the guy/gal, take it up the chain, etc. and they can't take any punitive action.  It's not like being employed.  It's academia.  A prof with tenure can run his mouth, but so can a student...as long as you remain reasonably civil.

If they do try to pull some crap for filing complaints and protesting, it's time to look in the yellow pages under "Attorney".

Edit:  I read your first post.  That's exactly what I mean!  :D
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2012, 02:42:11 pm »
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I am just going to force myself to take the information on board and at the end of the semestre do an extreme brain dump.
That's the smart thing to do. Just think of it as some shit detail you have to do to get where you want to be. You should be well trained along those lines.    :wink:
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2012, 02:53:37 pm »
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Our tenured "professor" was about 60 years old and spent most of the class time patting himself on the back for all the social work he did on the weekends (this was a 3 hour weekend class, more later).  The rest of the time was spent on how corrupt and unfeeling all the Republicans were, Reagan was the devil incarnate, and how Stalin was on the right track.


I think I had this guy's clone in both undergrad and grad school!  Same theme just different players. They find it pretty intolerable when their small academic world is confronted with facts and the truth. It's amazing to me how often those demanding tolerance are practicing intolerance & contempt.

Fortunately in this crazy world gone amuck, just remember that "liberal socialists" NEVER play Tele's!  
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Glad you took a stance and modeled something for the younger students. Bravo!I will reassign you two points for the 10 that I appropriately took off because of your obsession with strats.

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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2012, 02:57:07 pm »
Bassmanster

Yeah, but the problem is once you get away from the hard quantitative-type classes, there is much latitude for a professor to kill you on discussions and papers.  They still hold all the cards and can nail you for the least tiny issue!

A funny story, at least for me!  A guy I used to work with was taking a Negotiations class with me at the same University.  The teacher was a national UAW negotiator who absolutely sucked as a teacher.  We came right from work and were sitting in the class waiting for everyone.  My buddy was sitting with his back to the door complaining about work and his class load and just blurted out, "..and I HATE these f***ing adjunct teachers!"  As this rolled out of his mouth, our esteemed teacher walked in and stopped right behind him.  I had a horrified look on my face and my friend realized what had just happened.  The teacher said, "Bad day at work Steve?"  After much groveling that went on for the next 20 minutes, he still could not "negotiate" his way into good standing!  Steve was the subject of many class discussions for the rest of the semester.  Everyone in the class got an A.  Steve got a C!

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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2012, 02:59:47 pm »
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Our tenured "professor" was about 60 years old and spent most of the class time patting himself on the back for all the social work he did on the weekends (this was a 3 hour weekend class, more later).  The rest of the time was spent on how corrupt and unfeeling all the Republicans were, Reagan was the devil incarnate, and how Stalin was on the right track.


I think I had this guy's clone in both undergrad and grad school!  Same theme just different players. They find it pretty intolerable when their small academic world is confronted with facts and the truth. It's amazing to me how often those demanding tolerance are practicing intolerance & contempt.

Fortunately in this crazy world gone amuck, just remember that "liberal socialists" NEVER play Tele's!  
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Glad you took a stance and modeled something for the younger students. Bravo!I will reassign you two points for the 10 that I appropriately took off because of your obsession with strats.

Moderately respectful,  'Nit


Actually, I think he was a Licensed Counselor - you know the type....

Less than moderately respectful, Jim :icon_biggrin:

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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2012, 04:08:40 pm »
Yeah.  I'm not saying you'll win, but you CAN fight.

FWIW most of my profs through undergrad and grad school were good.
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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2012, 05:29:16 pm »
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5. Three dimentional energy is matter.
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15. In our lifetimes, south will become north.
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Well, to be fair, number 5 isn't that much more ridiculous than string theory - she just needs to come up with some pretty math, and people would be all over it, and number 15 is possible - the earth's magnetic field has inverted it self, and quite suddenly, a few times in the past.  It seems unlikely, but hey, it could happen.

Oh, and 11, about the iron in the Earth's core?  Well, it isn't too far from there to the current theory of how the Earth/Moon system came to be (a big Mars sized planet ran into the proto-Earth in a sort of glancing blow, making the whole system pretty liquid, etc., everything created in just a couple of weeks - that does seem to be the event that has given us the earth's magnetic field, though, so it is important in protecting us from cosmic and solar radiation!), so it could just be bad phrasing.  (No, iron isn't the heaviest element, but it is the heaviest that is common in the universe, because it is the heaviest that can be produced by nuclear fusion.)  It certainly isn't complete, but it's more like a lack of understanding than lunacy.  Or perhaps even a lack of communication skills.


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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2012, 05:48:00 pm »
Bassmanster, I just can't look at your pic without cracking up!!!  Yours truly, the geek of the universe, went to a Star Trek Exhibition at our Science Center with my lovely wife yesterday.  And the Gorn suit was there!  Ha!!!  Along with the abominable snowman salt sucker!  There was a very good video playing at that section that talked about the original TV special effects and how they were on less than a shoestring budget.  Yet many of the techniques they used were very groundbreaking at the time and are still utilized today.  Got my pic taken in the original Enterprise captains chair doing the Shatner hand-on-my-chin pose.  Then had a pic taken in the captains chair on the TNG bridge doing the Picard "Engage!" point.  And one more in the transporter room.  Yes, I am a Trek Geek.  Many of the original models were there along with gadgets and uniforms.  Really cool - if you are into that kind of thing.....

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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2012, 05:48:15 pm »
My problem with 5 is.....
It didn't come with pretty math, or any other intelligent, physics based explanation, it just came right on out as a matter of fact. Besides, every time I talk on my cellphone, it radiates energy in all directions and that energy occupies 3 dimensions of space and no matter how hard I try, I can't eat it.

My problem with 11 is....
It just came out as a matter of fact. Not a possibility, just cold hard fact. Now, if the magnetic poles reverse, does that really mean that north and south switch places? I would answer that with a resounding no. True north (the one associated with earth's axis) is unrelated to magnetic north (and not in the same place). Since almost noone (for reasons other than teaching boy scouts how to hike) relies on magnetic north anymore for direction finding (because now we have GPS which is much more accurate), if the magnetic poles switch, then I'm pretty sure that we would just rename the magnetic poles and still call north north.

My problem with the iron thing is this.....
To say that iron and nickel are the two heaviest elements is about as wrong as you can be regardless of the context.

All elements other than hydrogen are created through nuclear fusion.
Iron is the heaviest element that can be created before a large star goes super nova.
The fusion of elements into other elements causes extreme heat. That is what fuels a star.
When the star runs out of lighter elements to fuse together it is forced to fuse fuse iron.
When iron is made, it does not create heat, the process absorbs heat and the star goes super nova.
Material ejected from the star during supernova fuses into other heavier elements.
Yes, those other elements are much less common than iron, but some are pretty Mike Tyson when compared to iron which is more like Manny Paqueao.

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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2012, 06:10:48 pm »
You see Dave, we are now back to the Star Trek thing!  Have an open mind! :laugh:

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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2012, 06:16:27 pm »
Oh, sorry.

I guess I should have said that iron is like a tribble and those heavier elements are more like a tholian web.

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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2012, 06:28:15 pm »
I guess I should have said that iron is like a tribble and those heavier elements are more like a tholian web.

I don't think I want to go back to school.    :w2:


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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2012, 09:37:20 pm »
> True north ..is unrelated to magnetic north..

They are related, but weakly.

The core is a dynamo. The magnetism will tend to be along the rotational axis. It's not a perfect dynamo, so the two poles are seldom aligned.

It's a very iffy dynamo. Like an old car generator. When you changed the battery, you might get reverse polarity unless you "flashed the field" to give it a tendency to come up in the polarity you prefer.

The core dynamo is also more chaotic than a Delco. It has some non-zero chance of confounding itself and quitting. It will (probably) come back up, but in either polarity and with poles at uncertain places. Most likely near rotational poles.  

However the chance of a pole-swap "in our lifetimes" is absurdly low. The event is rare and does not happen overnight. In a race, I'd bet on end-of-civilization before pole-swap.  


Core is *mostly* Iron/Nickle because these atoms are common and dense. All the other elements are down there but in such low concentrations that it hardly bears thinking. If the core were static we might expect a dot of Lead Uranium etc at the center. Lighter atoms like Silicon are the scum on top of the pot. Heavier elements at the surface are either cast-up by vulcanism (including tectonics) or fell from the universe. Your version of her wording shows incomplete understanding of "heavy". I'm not sure why anybody cares?

Tell her there is a plug which blocks nuclear-generated electricity from your appliances. Tachyon technology senses electrons from a nuclear plant and returns them un-used. "NucleoSTOP"

> actually paying to have somebody spout this nonsense at me.

Share your notes with the Chair. You won't get a refund of your tuition or wasted time. And it may turn out that she is the niece of a major donor and can't be kept out. But it could be that the Chair has no idea what's happening in the classroom, and after some confirmation would not-rehire her and find another person to lead that course next year.

If you will be staying in this school/department, tread gently. If there's political reason for this person to be there, bow to the inevitable gracefully. (As a military person, you know how this goes.) OTOH if there's a real problem which has not been brought to the commander (in university, more like a cat-herder), the Chair may be grateful for the head's-up which may earn you some traction in future (favorable funding, grad-assistant assignment, waiving pre-reqs).

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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2012, 10:08:06 pm »
What I meant by magnetic north and true north being unrelated was that true north is fixed (at least until we get broadsided by the big one). Depending on magnetic north for direction finding is kind of like the celestial equivalent of using a live chicken as a landmark.

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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2012, 05:47:26 am »
My problem with 5 is.....
It didn't come with pretty math, or any other intelligent, physics based explanation, it just came right on out as a matter of fact. Besides, every time I talk on my cellphone, it radiates energy in all directions and that energy occupies 3 dimensions of space and no matter how hard I try, I can't eat it.

Not disagreeing, but is it really any worse than string theory?  (Aside from the pretty math, of course, which is pretty, but until they can actually, you know, test it, I'm not impressed.)


My problem with 11 is....
It just came out as a matter of fact. Not a possibility, just cold hard fact. Now, if the magnetic poles reverse, does that really mean that north and south switch places? I would answer that with a resounding no. True north (the one associated with earth's axis) is unrelated to magnetic north (and not in the same place). Since almost no one (for reasons other than teaching boy scouts how to hike) relies on magnetic north anymore for direction finding (because now we have GPS which is much more accurate), if the magnetic poles switch, then I'm pretty sure that we would just rename the magnetic poles and still call north north.

Yup.  And as PRR said, the chances are astonishingly small.

All elements other than hydrogen are created through nuclear fusion.

Sure thing, but nothing heavier than iron is created through the normal process of a star burring up it's fuel.  As soon as iron starts to develop, the star goes boom.

Well, actually, it goes


BOOM!!!!!!!!!



(Assuming it's massive enough, of course)

(interesting bit of trivia that - if you are ever losing a intergalactic war with a species of advanced technology, and you need to end the war to survive, just drop a chunk of iron into the core of their sun.  Instant obliteration!)


It is only during the boom that the heavier elements get produced.  And the mass of iron and nickle IS part of the reason it moved to the center of the earth during the lunar epoch, combined with it's relative commonness.  And aside from making compasses work, it creates the Aurora, and protects us all from solar and galactic radiation.  It's not the heaviest element, but is the heaviest common element.  And I'm still not saying she got it right, just that that one could be the result of bad communication skills more than anything else.

Our molten core is also part of the reason I don't worry to much about the earth getting hit by some giant asteroid or such.  The hot spot under Yellowstone - which is caused by the core sort of ballooning up under the park there - is going to cause an explosion at some point that will wipe out most of the people on this side of the planet, and cause global weather effects that will really ruin the millennium for everyone else.  And based on past eruptions, it is WAY overdue for it's next big boom!  That is still pretty improbable, but it's more likely than the magnetic field change, or a major asteroid strike.  (Please note, I said major, by which I mean an extinction event type of strike.  Yellowstone has blown it's top more frequently than those types of strikes.)


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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2012, 06:30:28 am »
Man, you guys are scaring the crap out of me.
I am seriously thinking about returning home.(after a decade)
Completing/getting my education is high on the list; yes I do want that "piece of paper"......just cause.
BUT I seriously can't stand listening to some pompous BS-er, power tripping, telling me what "the truth is" and I am supposed to be brain dead in my 40s.
Have walked out of many a place because of that......always for the better,

Richie200's story of being yelled at.......
I think I would have lost it.
Na, probably would have handled it about the same as he did but poured even more salt in the wound and not left the room until that MF-er had a stroke.

I honestly have learnt boatloads from the forum.
Seriously!
Not only about educating one's self but how to be cordial and respectful to others(never been the rude type anyways).......oh, and how to make killer freaking amps!
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Re: Why grown up peoples should never go back to college.
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2012, 09:28:41 am »
Going back to school in your 40's in not hard.
Current pedagogical theory holds that because current psychological theory says that 5 year olds are the humans that are most wired to take information on board and store it away efficiently, and that every year after that, you lose a portion of your learning capacity, that 40 year olds should be stupid.
Well, I would argue that this is not the case.
Whatever capacity that we lose for learning as we get older is more than made up for by our increased ability to focus and filter.
It has been my experience, from my vast experience in being educated (in other than university settings), that I can hold my own against kids any day of the week and in any subject matter area. I don't believe it is because of some superior intelligence that I possess, I blame it on the fact that I can stare at a teacher for hours on end without feeling overcome by the need to play grab ass.

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Re: Why grown up peoples should never go back to college.
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2012, 10:28:45 am »
Madison,

If had the time and the budget, I would still be going today.  I could very easily be a professional student!  If I had the time I would still be teaching, as that was some of the most rewarding times of my life - behind family.  The reason I was contacted by the Dean to teach was due to four of my teachers basically sponsoring me.  They felt that my life experience in the business world and my interaction in class would be an asset to the department.  That is a pretty cool and humbling referral.  The majority of teachers are very passionate about what they do.  I certainly was not going to let that one moronic over the top teacher deter my hopes and dreams.  If you have the time and money, GO BACK!

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Re: Why grown up peoples should never go back to college.
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2012, 11:07:50 am »
I keep going...  I'm halfway through my M.A. but I've taken this semester off, for time an financial reasons.  I've been working on this degree for almost 4 years now....but I just take on enough where I can still work my day job, play in bands, and run my small repair shop. I don't have any children, otherwise I'd have to axe everything but the day job...and maybe my repair shop.


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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2012, 10:04:22 pm »
Madison,

If had the time and the budget, I would still be going today.  I could very easily be a professional student!  If I had the time I would still be teaching, as that was some of the most rewarding times of my life - behind family.  The reason I was contacted by the Dean to teach was due to four of my teachers basically sponsoring me.  They felt that my life experience in the business world and my interaction in class would be an asset to the department.  That is a pretty cool and humbling referral.  The majority of teachers are very passionate about what they do.  I certainly was not going to let that one moronic over the top teacher deter my hopes and dreams.  If you have the time and money, GO BACK!

Jim
I keep going...  I'm halfway through my M.A. but I've taken this semester off, for time an financial reasons.  I've been working on this degree for almost 4 years now....but I just take on enough where I can still work my day job, play in bands, and run my small repair shop. I don't have any children, otherwise I'd have to axe everything but the day job...and maybe my repair shop.


j.

Going back to school in your 40's in not hard.
Current pedagogical theory holds that because current psychological theory says that 5 year olds are the humans that are most wired to take information on board and store it away efficiently, and that every year after that, you lose a portion of your learning capacity, that 40 year olds should be stupid.
Well, I would argue that this is not the case.
Whatever capacity that we lose for learning as we get older is more than made up for by our increased ability to focus and filter.
It has been my experience, from my vast experience in being educated (in other than university settings), that I can hold my own against kids any day of the week and in any subject matter area. I don't believe it is because of some superior intelligence that I possess, I blame it on the fact that I can stare at a teacher for hours on end without feeling overcome by the need to play grab ass.

Dave

Man, I envy you schooled guys sometimes.
Interesting stuff.
I'll hop to it as soon as I can.

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Re: Why grown up peoples should never go back to college.
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2012, 02:42:41 pm »
I agree.  Abstract thinking and the ability to apply knowledge in a real world context are much better in the "seasoned" mind.

The latter for obvious reasons.

The former because experience gives you time to notice long term trends and patterns and infer causality.
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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2012, 02:45:50 pm »
Mmmmm boy gotta mighty perty mouth on eem.

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« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2012, 03:34:35 pm »
write down every single ridiculous statement and organise a discussion about this list at the campus where students and professors are invited. i'm sure a lot of students from her class will be interested!

my school time isn't that far behind me but i loved to discuss with professors and anyone else stating all kinds of facts. (that includes myself) some professors liked that and i keep in touch with them. others don't teach there anymore after my year. because of me and some other students in my class.

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« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2012, 10:29:01 pm »
That is exactly "it".  It challenges the mind.  I used to HATE school in my teens and twenties.  Going back was so exciting and I looked forward to every minute in class.  The hard part was when I went back, as my two girls were little at the time.  I would hole up in our bedroom to do homework and spread out my books and papers on the bed.  I could hear my girls outside going, "Where's daddy?  Why can't he come out?"  Oh man, just rip my heart out..... :sad2:  They still remember how hard I worked and celebrated my graduations too.  I am hoping it was a life lesson for them as well.

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« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2012, 06:23:04 pm »
Here's a modest little update for those who are interested.
I have pretty much stopped writing down all of the nonsense and resorted to daydreaming with the ferocity of any 12 year old. However, here are a couple of things that have happened recently that I couldn't ignore.

About 3 weeks ago, there were some storms coming in and she turned the class loose early because, in her expert opinion, those storms were going to produce a wealth of violent tornadoes. They didn't, there was not even any high winds associated. Then.......

Yesterday, she assured us that the storms moving in on us were not tornado producing storms and that we were just in for some rain........
Just so you know..... within a couple of hours we had the 3rd largest tornado outbreak in Texas history. There were no less than 3 confirmed tornadoes within 3 miles of the university. Personally, I was hunkered down for about an hour and a half. All from a storm system that was of the non-tornado producing variety.

Oh, and I also learned yesterday that it takes the sun's light about 1.5 hours to reach us here on earth. I guess the speed of light has slowed down about 11 fold since the last time I checked.

Oh, and I responded to a test question with .... "approximately 31 minutes". My answer was counted off and corrected as "approximately .53 hours". I think part of my brain just fell out.

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Re: Why grown up peoples should never go back to college.
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2012, 08:22:58 pm »
Dave!  Oh man, you have the patience of Job!!!!  First of all, glad you are OK!  And hey, as long as she only takes off .01%, you will be fine! :l2:

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« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2012, 08:29:50 pm »
Oh, and I responded to a test question with .... "approximately 31 minutes". My answer was counted off and corrected as "approximately .53 hours". I think part of my brain just fell out.

Dave

Unfortunately, there are those who want answers in THEIR format (even if they don't tell you, you're supposed to know) and get uptight and split hairs when the answers are not, even if they are exactly the same after you iron out the units. BTW, when you say counted off, do you mean considered completely incorrect with a loss of full points, or just partial points?
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« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2012, 09:10:44 pm »
I would love to further my education.

I really don't think I could be around 20 year old girls all day and have any kind of good come out of it.

Some of the most educated people I know couldn't figure out how to change a car battery.To me thats a false education.

Funny story a guy that rented a house from me a long while ago.Is a bigwig at the local college.Got PHD's and all that.When he moved out(was real happy about that he was a jerk).He tells me "I went ahead and installed C0 detectors throughout the house.Don't worry about paying me back".I said "thanks buddy"

The house is totally electric doesn't even have a gas meter run to it.

We are all criminals here.

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« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2012, 04:57:41 pm »
Alright guys, screw your brainscrews in all the way and prepare yourselves to be zoinked.
According to our favorite full professor.... you all know the one.
On the very edge of the cutting edge of science (proven science, by the way) is this little nugget of truth.......

"If you look at a map, you will notice that most of the continents are in the northern hemisphere."

(At this point I was thinking, well with Australia, Antartica, South America, and part of Africa..... we'll call that 3 and a 1/2........ and if 3 and a half plus 3 and a half equals 7 and there are only 7 comntinents blah blah blah. Whatever, I am just a student)

"The reason for that (most of the continents in the northern hemi) is that it has now been proven that the earth's cycle is such that the continents all migrate over millions of years toward the north pole"

"Once they all gather around the north pole, the north becomes so heavy that the earth literally flips upside down so that the north becomes the south and the process can start all over again with the continents again seperating and slowly migrating north."

I hope you are all very impressed. Personally I am disappointed in myself because I cannot seem to understand these simple facts. You see, I get all caught up trying to figure out where all the gravity is coming from.... you know, the gravity that it will take to flip the earth up on its butt. At first I thought, well, the sun has lots of it. But then I thought, no the sun never gets further than 23.5 degrees off the equator which means that if all the continents had a party up north, then north might become east, so that can't be it....

I guess I'll never understand. I just need to goper thundigor rupins betwixters ogin moins blupinheimers. Evidorkly I havvv loozed my aviliteee tooo makem eeglich two.

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Re: Why grown up peoples should never go back to college.
« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2012, 08:23:24 pm »
> if 3 and a half plus 3 and a half equals 7

There's more land-area in the North.

Today.

The rock I am sitting on (all the coast from Cape Cod north) used to be down in Patagonia.

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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2012, 06:34:12 am »
Ain't you through with this course yet? The goal in this case is to get credit for the course. The professor is always right. Be the good student and don't piss her off. Open your brain and let the info flow. Who cares if it flows straight out your ass. Just get the credit and get out. Gotta pay the dues! :wink:
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« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2012, 07:58:11 am »
No, I'm not quite done yet. I graduate next month, and until then, I have to deal with this garbage.

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« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2012, 09:50:47 am »
The professor is not always right.  The BOSS is always right.

I've taught engineering as an adjunct; have a graduate degree.  A professor's "authority" is an illusion.  It's who's right, not who's who.

Of course, 95% of profs know far more than their students, so everything works like it should.

Just not in this case!
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« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2012, 05:55:34 pm »
I don't have a problem with plate tectonics or pole inversions either one. My problem is the world flipping upside down because of sagging testicles. If Carl Sagan comes back from the dead and tells me that the world is going to get so heavy up north that it will flip upside down, I will call him a big dummy too.

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« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2012, 09:46:29 pm »
From my uncle:
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When I got my PhD, Dad told me "Son, always remember that if a person has enough native ability, he can overcome his PhD."  I laughed at the joke - it took me 10-15 years to understand it wasn’t a joke and recognize the literal truth of the statement.  One hell of an insight from someone who had worked his way from the Ozark backwoods to a PhD.
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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2012, 03:19:09 pm »
Stand back now. I graduated. I'm educated now.  :worthy1:
Suddenly, I am overcome with understanding that I didn't have just a few days ago when I was an uneducated pleobe. I feel so smart and I actually am feeling an urge to believe what I used to consider retarded conspiracy theorist nonsense.
I believe now that the Hoffman Amplifiers forums site is becoming self aware and that with each passing day it grows stronger in its resolve to destroy modern technology and set humans back 50 years in our technological capabilities.
Mark my words people, the Maya have spoken to us!

With a new sense of spiritual nonsensory,

Dave

PS. May the earth's balls forever dangle with your best interest in mind.

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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2012, 03:27:38 pm »
told you.    :icon_biggrin:
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« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2012, 09:21:16 pm »
I figured on taking a college course just to check out the chicks ! (NOT)  Your lady professor Dave, sounds like some women in politics, who just don't know shit !
I'll never figure this out......

 


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