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Offline ElliottKoch

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preamp tap hoffman ab763 circuit
« on: December 06, 2012, 09:10:53 pm »
I am curious about where to apply the "Jerry Garcia" mod or the preamp taps posted on www.wald-electronics.com/preampmods.html (alembic would be easiest, but it would be nice to know how to do both) in the hoffman ab763 build. I have already bypassed the tremolo portion because I have an external effects loop running through my guitar and wasn't all that pleased with it (my own preference - nothing wrong with the build).

I've read about people blowing the output transformer. I'd rather not have this happen. So any input would be fantastic.

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Re: preamp tap hoffman ab763 circuit
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2012, 10:23:53 am »
I guess the big question would be why? The Twin Reverb doesn't need power supply stabilization and adding allen bradley cathode resitors is a total waste of time.
 Sounds like Gerry may have just had a Twin in need of some service.As is they are damn near perfect in stock form.
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Re: preamp tap hoffman ab763 circuit
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2012, 11:06:30 am »
I am curious about where to apply the "Jerry Garcia" mod or the preamp taps posted on www.wald-electronics.com/preampmods.html (alembic would be easiest, but it would be nice to know how to do both) in the hoffman ab763 build.

I skimmed much of that webpage, but only found non-tech explanations of what was done.

My sense of it was that the preamp signal was tapped from the Twin Reverbs and sent to ever bigger power amps and speaker cabinets. But that was also the late 60's, when you on-stage amp had to fill the stadium you're playing. Not so now with good-quality PA's.

Second thing that came to mind was that in '68 Allen Bradley resistors were not necessarily anything special. Even in the late-90's, I could buy then at an electronics whoelsaler in Nashville for about $0.10/resistor. Arguably, other american-made pots at the time would have had comparable quality to the Allen Bradley pots, though the RV4 series was nicer because it was sealed.

So bottom line, I'd say the likely place to add a "tap" is right before the ionput to the phase inverter. So that'd be where the 220k resistors meet up before going through a coupling cap and into the phase inverter grid. You could either have the preamp output go to a different power amp or a different preamp feed your AB763 power amp.

If your goal is to sound like Jerry, it seems a mid-late-60's Fender preamp, with enough output power to stay clean at whatever volume you're using, will suffice.

Oh yeah: Alembic preamps from the period are basically 100% Fender's preamp circuit minus any effects or phase inverter/output stage.

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Re: preamp tap hoffman ab763 circuit
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2012, 11:20:32 am »
Here's Louis Amps take on Garcias' set-up....

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Re: preamp tap hoffman ab763 circuit
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2012, 11:34:37 am »
Loosechange has built several of those. There's a thread, with pics, here somewhere.

in '68 Allen Bradley resistors were not necessarily anything special.

I read some of that when LC posted his build. They claimed they went through a bunch of AB CCR's 1 at a time (solderd them in) to find the 1's with the least hiss in the preamps plate postion. Jerry had the $$ to pay them to do that. Maybe he could or maybe he couldn't hear the differance?

OTOH he was going through 3 or 4 power amps at 80 to 300w a piece, so maybe you can hear the differance at that volume?     :laugh:

If your goal is to sound like Jerry, it seems a mid-late-60's Fender preamp, with enough output power to stay clean at whatever volume you're using, will suffice.

I think HBP's right. If you look in there they list his settings and it says preamp volume at 3-1/2 to 4, treb, 10, mid 5 to 7 and bass 0. Something like that.

            
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Re: preamp tap hoffman ab763 circuit
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2012, 12:42:07 pm »
They claimed they went through a bunch of AB CCR's 1 at a time (solderd them in) to find the 1's with the least hiss in the preamps plate postion. 

Cool. Then skip the carbon comps and use some nice Dale RN65D metal film resistors.

I still haven't tried it out (don't think I have an amp noisy enough to make a difference), but wirewound resistors supposedly have the least self-noise (inductance may or may not be an issue). I once found a source of good quality wirewounds up to 100kΩ, but haven't tested them to see if they'll really lower the noise floor to a meaningful degree.

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Re: preamp tap hoffman ab763 circuit
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2012, 01:21:26 pm »
I noticed just now that they also at one time took out the 68K input/grid stoppers for the same reason, less noise. And as phsyconoodler noted same for the cathode R's. Changed CD caps to silver mica, better tolerance they said but a lot of guys say they have less grit to them sound wise.

They also played around with higher quality K bypass caps. At 1 point they had tantalum caps for the K bypass caps.

Meh, give me Rory Gallaghers tweed tone (bassmen/twin) on Irish Tour 74 any day. Clean to mean with everything in between. And no mushrooms so the song actualy goes somewhere.     :laugh:


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Re: preamp tap hoffman ab763 circuit
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2012, 07:14:50 am »
Thanks to all who posted, its been a big help.

Though I can't point to the location, I've read (somewhere) that the TR power circuit drops a bit of the low end. That coupled with a bit more control over the power with an external power amp does have its benefits.

Cheers,
EK

 


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