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Blues Jr crackling
« on: September 09, 2010, 09:19:37 pm »
I've kind of got suckered into becoming a amp tech. :wink:
Anyway I have a Blues Jr on the bench that is making some crackling noises through the speaker. I've read (and I'll probably butcher the explanation) that it's improper voltage going to the output tubes.
Things I've done already:
   Raised the screen resistance from 1ooR 1/2watt to 500R1watt
   Saw some exposed wire in the ribbon so replaced ribbon with stranded wire (should be of appropriate thickness
   Replaced filter caps

I read in Hoffman's Fender maintanence that replacing the plate resistors in the preamp tubes can help with crackling?? I'll try that next.
Any other suggestions, experiences??

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Re: Blues Jr crackling
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2010, 10:17:10 pm »
Be real careful in there my friend. High voltage can knock the **** out of you or kill as well

Seeing as you are going to tackle this unplug the amp and check the plate resistors with a DVM

Check all the preamp and power tubes on a tester. You have to have one to rule out a tube coming apart inside and causing that crackle

Check all the tube socket pins and make sure they are nice and tight to grab the tubes firmly

Check all you ground connections / I have seen the input jack nuts loose and this will make crackle as well

Never rest your hand or wrist on the chassis while using your DVM

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Re: Blues Jr crackling
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2010, 10:21:15 pm »
You did a wholesale replacement of the ribbon cables?   :huh:  My bet would be a bad solder joint somewhere - maybe yours, maybe Fender's.  Or it could be those <not> wonderful PCB-mounted tube sockets.  Get some contact cleaner and go to town.  Then do a little re-tensioning of the tube sockets.  http://billmaudio.com/wp/?page_id=171

I wouldn't touch the plate resistors unless they look burnt or measure out of spec.  Hoffman's recommendations assume a vintage Fender amp with carbon comp resistors.  Blues Jr. is either metal film or carbon film.  Not a likely candidate for crackling.

Do you have a "known good" set of output tubes to try?  Blues Jr.s are biased relatively hot from the factory, and they tend to eat EL-84 power tubes.  Mine sure did.  The issue actually is that the bias voltage is too low (in an absolute value sense).  There needs to be a greater negative voltage to bias the output tubes more reasonably.  However, the bias level itself isn't making the crackling noise.  Toasted power tubes could be.

Bill Machrone is well known for his Blues Jr. mods:
http://billmaudio.com/wp/

At the risk of uttering heresy, the BillM mods point the Blues Jr. in a particular direction which you may or may not like. They seem to be very popular. However, after building a few amps and going back inside the Blues Jr. there are some mods I would try & others I would avoid. For example, a bigger output transformer is NOT necessarily better - I know from direct A/B comparisons in a Tweed Princeton build. Most of Bill's mods are geared toward more headroom and a cleaner, Blackface Fender type tone. Great sound if that's what you want, but you can point it in the direction of a Marshall 18-watt more easily IMHO. (Hint- Mark Huss's "cathode follower mod" and change the slope resistor to 56K or even 47K)

There's also the longest running thread in history over on the Fender Discussion Page:  Blues Jr. Mafia thread  Glancing through recent posts, I think it was much more useful several years ago when BillM wasn't every third post.

The posts which say something along the lines of "After I added the Mercury Magnetics transformer set, put in a _____ speaker, replaced all the tubes and filter caps, added adjustable bias, changed the topology of the tone stack, and put it in a new, bubinga cab, my Blues Jr. sounds great!" just kill me.  Why not just build a decent 18-Watt Stout with reverb and have an amp that will sound great AND last a long time???  (Note:  I'm not making up the "bubinga" cab.  I'm not that imaginative!)

Bill's site used to include one approach to adjustable bias; however, he seems more focused on selling his kits now and I can't find the old instructions.  Here's a pic of how I did it with a 2001 "green board" Blues Jr.  I did a write up on the process somewhere out here on the web but can't find it now.



Replacing the crappy stock speaker was the best bang-for-the-buck upgrade I ever did... in almost anything!  A nice 12AX7 in the V1 spot and Ei or EH or (anything other than Sovtek or Mesa) power tubes also does wonders to the tone.

My experience fixing things on my Blues Junior is that the amp is so poorly built, every time I fix one thing something else goes bad shortly thereafter.  The board mounted input jack is a bad connection waiting to happen.  The board mounted control pots are flimsy.  The ribbon cables are a nightmare.  Solder pads are small & fragile.  Just about every component is as cheap as it can be.  But hey, it was my first amp and it was cheap.  Used ones are even cheaper :wink:

Hope this helps,

Chip
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Re: Blues Jr crackling
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2010, 08:21:27 am »
Never rest your hand or wrist on the chassis while using your DVM

When probing live circuits always make sure one hand is free and that its in your back pocket.

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Re: Blues Jr crackling
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2010, 09:23:52 am »
IMNSHO everyone should read the Safety info from Drifter Amps

Chip
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Re: Blues Jr crackling
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2010, 09:39:38 am »
I can tell I'm going to love this place.  :smiley:Thank you everybody. I'll be careful. Thank you for the concern.


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Re: Blues Jr crackling
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2010, 08:03:44 am »
Well I don't know a whole lot but I would bet on you have some DC where it should not be. ie: bad coupling cap between stages are at the tone stack.

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Re: Blues Jr crackling
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2010, 10:39:38 am »
Anyway I have a Blues Jr on the bench that is making some crackling noises through the speaker.

Tell us more about the crackling. When does it happen (all the time , only while playing certain notes etc.), How does it sound like?

FWIW I recently had a Hot Rod Deluxe on the bench which had some crackles happening while playing. I wiggled the preamp tubes a bit and realised the crackles kicked in when I was wiggling one of them. Bad solder joint on the socket. Got it fixed pretty quick.

Those HRD / BJ have the speaker so close to the circuit the PCB vibrates like crazy, and the solder joints get abused. 

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Re: Blues Jr crackling
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2010, 11:29:18 am »
The crackling is almost continuous. Sometimes it sounds static-y and sometimes it sounds like lighning in the rice crispies. :grin:

Next step is checking the sockets.


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Re: Blues Jr crackling
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2010, 11:49:25 am »
You went straight to the mods without the diagnosis.The tube sockets are the first suspect with those amps.Loose tubes in the sockets are the number one cause of problems in those amps.
  Re-tensioning  and cleaning is first.Hoffmans tips are almost all for vintage hand-wired tube amps,so you need to differentiate between them.
   Tubes are always suspect as well.The ribbon cables rarely give problems unless they were yanked and twisted by a previous repair person.
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Re: Blues Jr crackling
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2010, 11:54:28 am »
I had a friend who had this problem as well.  I ended up doing away with the PCB supported tube sockets.  Instead I put the new sockets on a piece of metal, secured that to the frame and hard wired everything i.e. got rid of the ribbon cable.  The amp has been working much better now and it really wasn't that difficult of a job.  

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Re: Blues Jr crackling
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2010, 02:37:21 pm »
Man. The more I fiddle with this thing the more it doesn't help (make sense?? of course not :embarrassed:0) I recommended to the guy that he either try sombody else or that he let me replace the tube sockets.
If it were mine I'd work on a new eyelet board layout, perf the reverb cicuit, and use the extra triode stage and the "fat" boost (instead of using a jfet)
I wouldn't go all mojo (mercury tranny's would cost more than the amp would be my guess) Keep whatever still works and upgrade where necessary.

Anyway, I'm thinking out loud out of frustration.  :angry:

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Re: Blues Jr crackling
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2010, 03:09:11 pm »
Actually, looking at the schem, I'd probably leave the Jfet boost as is and use the 1/2 triode someplace else. Probably a cathode follower.

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Re: Blues Jr crackling
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2010, 07:06:32 pm »
Actually, looking at the schem, I'd probably leave the Jfet boost as is and use the 1/2 triode someplace else. Probably a cathode follower.

Mark Huss suggested using the "extra" triode as a cathode follower a long time ago.  I can't find his page quickly, so Bill Machrone's discussion will have to do:  http://billmaudio.com/wp/?page_id=141  Although I haven't tried this mod, I've got to disagree with Bill's conclusions about the cathode follower not doing much.  Change the Mid pot wiring (back) to Marshall style and put in a 33K/47K/56K slope resistor, and you'll have an amp that sounds more like... wait for it... a Marshall :wink:

You could turn the "Fat" switch into a boost switch like Hoffman's 18-Watt Stout or his Plexi boost, but it would require some imaginative layout work. 

Another option for that extra triode would be to put it in parallel with it's brother and then play with the plate & cathode resistors.

Cups, don't feel bad about your frustrating experience.  The Blues Jr. is a good amp for its price point, but it is not robust (to say the least).  I'm going to gut mine rather than continue chasing Gremlins in it.  The only question is whether to make an 18-watt Stout, a Little Wing with reverb (Geezer's design), or something else.

Cheers,

Chip
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