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Offline frank57

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I haven't found a good text the ins and outs of the power section screens and grids and so on.

But say on this Hiwatt as an example,if I raised r31 and r32 to 1k and r44 to 2k2 would you get more power tube distortion sooner? Any negative side effects?
I was also wondering about r29 and r30 what happens when you raise or lower the values there?

Offline kagliostro

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Changing r31 & r32 (increasing it) will sure give more sag

see the Mesa Boogie attached schematic

they used a switch to insert and exclude this feature

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Offline frank57

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So it will have more of a compressor like effect  making the power tubes appear to break up sooner?
Would it cause the voltages to rise?

Offline archaos

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Hi, upping screen-grid resistors from 100 ohms to 1k, 2k2 or even more for instance turns out to be a good idea. Particularly as regards EL84s. Larger screen resistors impart better touch response & imbue the amp with a louder sound @ all levels. The sound characteristcs of the amp when played loud occur @ a much lower volume. Tube life is lenghtened too.

Larger grid-stops for g1 roll off highs.

Do have a look to the screen resistors thread attached.  :icon_biggrin:
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Offline jjasilli

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I tried large screen resistors in my PP el-84 Traynor Bassmate (no screen resistors stock) - they destroyed the overdrive tone IMHO.  OTOH, the plate voltage is way high about 410 VDC, which might be an issue.  I've finally decided to use a bucking tranny to knock down the supply voltage, but that's for another thread.  Anyway screen resistors from 100R to 470R are pretty common to protect the screen; not sure if they affect tone much.  The larger resistors, 1K and up, do affect tone.  Your mileage may vary, oh what the heck: YMMV!

Offline frank57

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Sounds like it might be worth a shot in this 2 stages version which is super clean.
The voltages are also pretty high and not much drop to the screens .
Some simple samples of what it sounds like are here:
Single note test going between pickups nothing fancy.:
http://www.mediafire.com/?x2m8o33s3af31ra

Chords:

http://www.mediafire.com/?0f4ela4im33a6eb
But you really have to whack it pretty hard with the gain on 10 master 3 to get it to distort.
Everything else at high noon.
So in this version of the amp it's behaving very much like a Hiwatt circuit.
You can actually play clean very easily without touching your volume knob.

 


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