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Offline Madison

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The Columbia
« on: July 31, 2011, 09:12:50 am »
Model CGA-221
Just picked this up for next to nothing.
The tremolo will need a cap job.
Reverb.....uh, "echo" works fine as does the other controls (bass, treb,vol)

Major problem is, the speaker is not functioning.
Is there anyway to get it working again?
Hit it with a hammer?
Oil?

Ran it through some other speakers and it was dirt dirt dirty and more dirty.
Pretty cool.
I'd love to hear it through the original alnico speaker if possible?

BTW,if you happen to have a schematic of this or something similar that comes to mind, please pass it on.
Tubes are:
Rectifier-5R-K16
Power(two tubes)-6BM8
Preamp-12ax7
Preamp-6AQ8

(all original Toshiba)

Peace.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2011, 09:17:41 am by Madison »

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Re: The Columbia
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2011, 09:14:01 am »
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Re: The Columbia
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2011, 04:55:33 pm »
Oh the Japanity!

That speaker screams Yamaha to me. (or perhaps who Yamaha sourced from).

If the faceplate is to be believed, you need a "Guaranteed" Hi-Fi speaker..... ;0

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Re: The Columbia
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2011, 06:49:43 pm »
That's an insane location for an OT with solder lugs!
A schematic, layout, and hi-rez pics are very useful for troubleshooting your amp. Don't wait to be asked. JUST DO IT!

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Re: The Columbia
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2011, 07:19:26 pm »
Where is that multicolored group of wires going?

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Re: The Columbia
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2011, 08:01:40 pm »
>>If the faceplate is to be believed, you need a "Guaranteed" Hi-Fi speaker

Part of the reason I got it. It's "guaranteed Hi-Fi" damn it! :laugh:
But as of now, the speaker is guaranteed not to work.

I have a Jensen I might toss in there for kicks.

>>That's an insane location for an OT with solder lugs!

Totally.
I didn't build it, only possess it.

>>Where is that multicolored group of wires going?

They have the PT tucked down behind the reverb "box".
I won't even call it a pan.
It's made of wood.
I am yet to crack that part open.Might learn something new in there.
Reverb works and doesn't sound all that bad.

Why the PT is down there?......I have no idea.
Wonder if someone in the design dept. was boozing it up.

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Re: The Columbia
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2011, 10:43:12 pm »
> Hit it with a hammer?

Hit your brains.

What does a speaker do?

Take electricity and move.

Take the speaker out.

Push gently on the cone center. Compare with a good speaker. It should move, stiff but without scrape. If it has been hit with a hammer, the Alnico slug has busted loose, sucked itself to the pole, clamped the coil. Recentering the slug is possible, use wood wedges to work it to the center then hard against the C-frame. Since you can't easily re-glue it, it will always be fragile. Since you can't clear all the glue-flakes from the C-frame, it won't be up to full strength.

Ohm the terminals. Is it like 7 ohms or is it infinity (or under 1 ohm)? If no-go, look for the break. There's flex-lead soldered into the lugs, the flex hates solder. Sometimes it is globbed-on enuf to work 30 days or 30 years, then tarnish gets all the way through the non-joint and it goes open. The flex rarely fails (in 10-watt jobs like this). There is another joint where the flex hits the cone-paper, flex soldered to voice-coil ends then covered with glop.

If you can get ON the fine voice-coil leads (through varnish) and it still reads open, the coil is broken inside. That's common on higher-powered jobs. Cut it all apart, you see that the high power softened the coil glue, the high forces shot half the coil off the end, stopping when the fine wire broke and all abuse ended. That's not reasonably repairable. In this low-power job, it may be decades of copper corrosion finally ate through the fine wire.
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Re: The Columbia
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2011, 08:39:52 am »
>>What does a speaker do?

Orate from a podium?

>>It should move, stiff but without scrape

It moved,it scraped, now locked up in the down position.

>>(or under 1 ohm)?

zero, more like it.

>>If you can get ON the fine voice-coil leads (through varnish) and it still reads open, the coil is broken inside.

Maybe.......I'll try it tomorrow.
I think she is done for though.

Really,too bad.
Looked like an interesting speaker.

Thanks and cheers PRR.

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Re: The Columbia
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2011, 09:24:04 am »
If the stock speaker cannot be salvaged, I would consider removing the stock baffle board, but put it aside and save it.  Looks like there's plenty of room for a larger speaker.  Make a new baffle board of quality plywood and cover it with the old grill cloth.

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Re: The Columbia
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2011, 06:44:58 pm »
I was thinking that too.
It would support a 10" and maybe a 12".
I happened to have an 8" Jensen.I put it in there last night.
Pretty pleased.
A nice little grinder.I may even tweak to try to squeeze a little more out of it.
Hopefully I can find a schematic.(doubtful).
These tubes sound different than the typical 5F1 sound I am used to;just good ol', low down, nasty!
Cap job next.

 


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