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AB763 with 4x6V6
« on: September 05, 2011, 09:08:24 am »
Hi,
I got a spare set of iron ( P.T. & O.T.) which was used on a 4xECC83 + 4xEL84.
I would like to build an AB763 circuit with 4x6V6's. Single channel with verb + trem (some ideas here).
Has someone ever tried it?
P.T. pumps out 380VDC ~ 250mA. Bias supply is around -30VDC. Heater string can handle 4x0.3A + 4x0.76A = 4.24A.
AB763 Heater required is about 5x0.3A + 4x0.45 = 3.3A
O.T. is 4K plate to plate with 0-4-8 secondary.

How about the tremolo? I built a 5E9-A and it's trem is killer - best I have ever heard, IMO - so I thought about inserting it right at the cathode of the mixing stage verb+ dry signal..It' just an idea.. I have built some AB763 circuits but kept with 6L6 and bias vary trem. I would like some opinios from you guys..

Thanks in advance
Best Regards

Rzenc

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Re: AB763 with 4x6V6
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2011, 10:50:59 am »
nope, but interest piqued. have a friend that want's a PR with 4x6V6 instead of 2x6V6. trying to convince him that AB763 w/ 4 6V6 is the path to righteousness. he's not buying in that sermon. vibroverb w/ 4 6V6 - your iron will work - so will SR/bassman OT. for PT i'd use something out of hammond's lineup.

i have a set of iron harvested from a baldwin organ that cooked 6x6BQ5 - pumps out about 350VDC idle w/ 4 EL84 and 2x5U4GB - IIRC, about 380VDC from 2xGZ34 - same iron we used for a matchless DC30 clone RicharD and i built last year. the PT is fairly hefty.

...kind of like a .bis twin.

let me know; i'd be happy to help with a layout.

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Re: AB763 with 4x6V6
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2011, 11:40:36 am »
Hey DL!!
Thanks for your interest!
I have a layout ready to go, I build a couple AB763 with a pair of 6L6. But none with a quad of 6L6 yet.
I did a .dwg on acad to make board and chassis as well. If you can open .dwg files, pm me and I will sent you it.
I really like bias vary trem, but the 5E9-A is the ultimate trem IMO. I'm really thinking about installing it. Since it woobles the cathode of a paraphase inverter, I thought I could make it work on the cathode of the mixing stage where verb and dry signal gets together.
Which vibroverb are you talking about? 6G**??

This amp will be a gift for a friend which plays rockabilly/psycho/outlaw stuff.
Thinking about a pair of WGS Reaper 55Hz... What you think?

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Re: AB763 with 4x6V6
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2011, 01:13:17 pm »
yes, 6g16 vibroverb - but with 4 x 6V6 with bias vary trem. & reverb - sort of a cross between PR and a AB763 "insert_model_name_here", only i'd like to lose the normal channel and leave the summing amp for added gain. am not opposed to cathode vary trem, but paraphase PI has not done much for me tone wise, however, i must admit that i have never heard a 5E9-A.
i do prefer long-tail or properly designed split load. if we build with LTPI (AB763) we'll likely need to tame the drive - 6V6 need about 2/3 of 6L6 drive. the NFB loop will need tweaking as well.

i attached a hacked schematic - i was thinking something along those lines. let's see what you have? ;)

sorry but i don't have autocad, so i can't edit .dwg files native - all i have is visio (software poverty), however, i can import, edit, then save as dwg.

the chassis is up in the air, what we each do is likely to be different - my friend would like a conventional looking head (tubes upright - like marshall), however, the layout we can share - the turret board won't be significantly different.

sorry but i can't help in the speaker advice department - i've limited exposure to makes and types. i have had some positive results with JBL, eminence, and a few webers, but none with the reaper 55HZ you mention. again, my friend wants a head so he can mix it up with any speaker he chooses to.

in the past i have experimented with 6V6 in P-P parallel with mixed results - they like to break off into oscillation. perhaps grid stoppers and plate stoppers may help in that department. another note of interest is that on some older amps that use 6V6 and 6L6 in P-P parallel, i've noticed that they used a coupling inductor from plate to plate of each tube on each phase side - i presume that is to help prevent RF oscillation - they are fairly easy to build; +/- 20 turns of 20 AWG (sorry, we'll need to convert to mm) enameled magnet wire wrapped around ~6mm (1/4") form.

PM sent.

regards,

--DL
 

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Re: AB763 with 4x6V6
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2011, 02:19:54 pm »
The 6G16 LFO is set up to wiggle 6L6 grids. Why don't you take the LTP and LFO out of a 5G9 (which is the king of the tweed tremoluxes) and use 4 x 6V6s with the vibroverb OT, and bang the vibrverb input and reverb drive/recovery stages in front of everything? You may also want to chuck in a NFB (as the 5G9 doesn't have NFB)
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Re: AB763 with 4x6V6
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2011, 04:06:03 pm »
Thanks for the answers guys!!
I will check 6G16 schema.
I was looking at Deluxe Reverb AB763 which seems to be the ticket?? Except for running a pair instead of a quad...Voltages will be 10% lower than noted on schem. LTP PI and bias vary trem...
I will go with SS rectos since PT is already on the low side for such circuit requirements.
I will report back soon!

Best Regards
Rzenc


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Re: AB763 with 4x6V6
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2011, 04:31:48 pm »
One of my favorite amps is a BF Deluxe (no reverb or trem), cathode biased, with SF voltages to the preamp and PI, for more headroom. I've often though about a 4 - 6V6 version but I've never had a time where I needed more power than 2 - 6V6's, probably because of the extended headroom. I've noticed that the really clean amps have the best "up-all-the-way" overdrive. The Twin and Super Reverb are examples. However, they tend to piss off people at that level, and I think the Twin could actually be fatal! This is the same OD but at 16 - 17 watts. Sweet! Beauty without pain.
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Re: AB763 with 4x6V6
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2011, 06:56:17 pm »
One of my favorite amps is a BF Deluxe (no reverb or trem), cathode biased, with SF voltages to the preamp and PI, for more headroom. I've often though about a 4 - 6V6 version but I've never had a time where I needed more power than 2 - 6V6's, probably because of the extended headroom. I've noticed that the really clean amps have the best "up-all-the-way" overdrive. The Twin and Super Reverb are examples. However, they tend to piss off people at that level, and I think the Twin could actually be fatal! This is the same OD but at 16 - 17 watts. Sweet! Beauty without pain.
Dave

i'm not too familiar with deluxe amps, would you kindly elaborate on which circuit?

much thanks,

--DL

 


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