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Offline hesamadman

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Progress of my first build so far. Please give me feedback
« on: July 19, 2013, 07:34:24 am »
Hi guys. I was hoping to get some thoughts, comments, concerns, critiques, ect. on my first amp build here :)

First off here is my board. A handful of things that I will do different from here on. Since I am a very DIY guy I laid out my board myself. I spaced the turrets too far apart in width on the board. Some of my components BARELY reached from lug to lug. Also I will drill my holes for mounting the board FIRST thing. Before I do any wiring. The turret lugs seem pretty small to me. I got the larger ones from Hoffman. But there is no way I could get some of the wires to go into the tiny hole in the back of the lugs so I had to mount my wires on top of the board instead  :dontknow:

And the hidden wires that are under the board from component to component..... same way. Except one of the wires I mounted on top under the components. So I am definitely looking for ideas to clean up my next board. I mean the 10K 2 watt resistor has THREE wires going into it. I mean I guess I could have put one small wire lead and then soldered the three to it and used heat shrink around that connection. Anyway...here is the board.




Shielded wire. Ive never used this before. I got this little piece of wire from mojotone. It has the external braiding. I was at a loss as far as how to solder a connector on one end for ground. I couldnt unravel the braiding so i just soldered directly to it and attached to ground on one end.  :w2:



Here is a shot of my power tube wiring. A bit dodgy on some of the soldering leads. I have a broken soldering iron. Need to buy a new one ASAP. But i just have leads on the heater filaments that are not tied in yet. Heater wiring is next. Ill twist the holy crap out out of these  :icon_biggrin:



Here is a shot of the inside. Still a ways to go but im spending small amounts of time each day before work and after work so the ball and chain doesnt get on me too bad about being in the shop so much. ha ha

Im an electrician by trade. Lovin electricity and how/why it does what it does is my passion. WHen I wire panels I wire them very neat and organized so I am trying to carry that out here with the amp as well. This first one may not be as pretty as the following but neither were my first panels  :icon_biggrin:




I hope I never really need to use this icon but im sure i will ha ha ------->  :BangHead:

Offline eleventeen

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Re: Progress of my first build so far. Please give me feedback
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2013, 10:15:44 am »
Some thoughts:

It takes several, perhaps even many builds before your wiring looks neat. Just the way it is. Electronic wiring, sort of similar to electric wiring (like a breaker panel) has a peculiar combination of delicate and brutal handling, and it takes time to know what you can slam and what you have to be ginger with.

For shielded wire, you can unravel the shielding using a needle from the cut end. Just start picking it apart, try to bend the wires as little as possible until that moment when you are ready to gather the tiny shield wires together. Just work them loose, be patient. Some people like to unravel around and around the inner conductor, evenly. Some people like to unravel in roughly a straight line.

If you want the resistors, diodes, etc to have really super straight leads, you'll have to straighten them. One way is to roll the leads between two strips of wood. Ideally, you need two strips about 4" total wide, maybe a foot long, with a channel routed out of both pcs, the long way. The component goes into the groove, and you move one piece along the other. It only takes an inch of movement.

If you want the bends in the res leads to look good, they have to be pre-bent before they drop into the board, and the bends have to be made w/a needlenose pliers (or, a lead-bending tool, an inexpensive plastic thing you can buy if you wish. Point being...there can't be any lead manipulation or bending ON the board....it has to be "pre-bent"...elsewhere, and has to include the radius of the bend. If I make this sound easy, to get a consistent look of the leads...it isn't. There is always some darn thing that makes you depart from the ideal you start with---either 3 resistors going to one turret...or one lead is too thick to poke into the hole, or you have too many leads to fit into the hole.

When soldering, a clean tip is your holy grail. Damp sponge wipe after every few connections, damp sponge wipe if the iron has been sitting for a while in the base. If you really want clean looking joints...it's good to tin the wire and tin the turret before you solder to it. Some will criticize this comment. A solder connection is a capillary event, it is a chemical reaction, and it has mechanical properties. If the wire and turret are pre-tinned, then the chemical reaction (overcoming the oxides on the metals) has already occurred. Try also not to handle the leads of the resistors with your fingers. Sure, the flux in the solder can and will and is meant to overcome that, and it will. But if you want the super shiny look....

Another part is the distance from a joint that your insulation is stripped back. I don't know any shortcut other than massive practice.

You mentioned you were going to install the heater wires...most of us would do this first. Unless of course you are going to do "up in the air" like a Fender. You don't have to go medieval twisting them tightly, in fact, I reco against it. Twist, yes, but if they are too tight, those wires will not look very good when you unravel them to solder to the tube base.

None of this, by the way, affects how the final amp works or even looks from the outside. So...you shouldn't drive yourself nuts, but as you are doing, look to improve. Your first few builds will look like crap.




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Re: Progress of my first build so far. Please give me feedback
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2013, 11:19:00 am »
Shielded wire: I like what Doug sells. The outside is insulated, and the braid comes apart very easily. I just shove the braid back to buckle it, then separate it, then twist it into a "wire" that gets soldered to ground.

Turret spacing: about 3/8 inch works well. There is also a spacing grid that you can print out
http://www.el34world.com/Forum/index.php?topic=12317.0
The thread is there.

As far as how your wiring looks: For your first build I think that's excellent. I'm in awe of the works of art some of the guys on here do. Mine is getting there, but I've got a long ways to go!
Tapping into the inner tube.

Offline nandrewjackson

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Re: Progress of my first build so far. Please give me feedback
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2013, 02:50:22 pm »
Looking good.  Another $$$ "Hobby" as I was commenting to one of my friends recently.

Keep up the good work.

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Re: Progress of my first build so far. Please give me feedback
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2013, 10:17:02 am »
What gauge is your wire? Seems like you could use a slightly smaller gauge. I'd check all those solder joints. Some look like they could be cold. Hit them with a soldering iron until they are nice and shiny.
I love tubes

 


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