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Offline Justa

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Simpson 260, Roll Top Covers 00248
« on: February 10, 2015, 11:34:46 am »
Hi,
I've got a couple Simpson 260 VOM's that are series 7 and series 8.  I wish to buy 2 Simpson Roll Covers 00248 for protection during storage.  They seem to retail ~ $70 to $75 each plus shipping.  Anyone know where I can find a better price?  These prices look like retail & I really don't want to pay out $150 for the two roll tops.

BTW
Simpson does also make a different roll top 00249 but it will not fit either the Simpson 260 series 7 or series 8 VOM's.
I could easily get by without the roll tops but we had these Simpsons 260's on the work benches for over 20 years and they mean a lot to me.

Thanks!!

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Re: Simpson 260, Roll Top Covers 00248
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2015, 12:05:33 pm »
Good luck finding a cheap roll top cover. But do you really need a roll top cover for storage? Or do you just want it for the cool factor? A cardboard box will give you just as much protection. I've had a 260 for over 40 years and most of that time has been on a shelf in a metal storage cabinet with no extra protection. Yours has survived 20 years on a workbench. I bet it will do as well in a storage cabinet.
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Re: Simpson 260, Roll Top Covers 00248
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2015, 01:36:42 pm »
As always you are right Sluckey.  A cardboard box would do just fine.  But I first used a Simpson 260 way back in the 70's and it was the beginning of close relationships with the Tech's and the Eng's.  They went out of their way to help me out.  The Simpson 260 was around my entire career and it has a special meaning to me as it brings back all of those good memories.  I wouldn't buy roll tops for work due to cost justification but in my house it's a deserves a little something special even if I have to pay a premium for one.  I worked with a lot of these guys for over 20 years.

The Simpsons don't get used near as often as they used to but my Flukes get used extensively.  Yup there's cheaper good choices for a nice digital but I have never once had a Fluke fail period.  All I can say is that they must have incredible protective circuits cause I've made plenty of goofs!

I sure did have a lot of cheap analog VOM's fail.  Mostly because of my mistakes on non-fused units.  Learned to buy only fused VOM's real quick!!

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Re: Simpson 260, Roll Top Covers 00248
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2015, 12:21:55 am »
> a Simpson 260 way back in the 70's

The 260 rolltop was old even then. See attached ad....

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Re: Simpson 260, Roll Top Covers 00248
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2015, 12:56:45 am »
And totally off-topic, but found in the same stack.......

You motor-heads will recognize this engine.

Quiz: what RPM is "High Speed"?

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Re: Simpson 260, Roll Top Covers 00248
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2015, 05:12:58 am »
And totally off-topic, but found in the same stack.......

You motor-heads will recognize this engine.

Quiz: what RPM is "High Speed"?


3600RPM for 60Hz

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Re: Simpson 260, Roll Top Covers 00248
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2015, 07:46:15 pm »
> 3600RPM for 60Hz

Reasonable. 2-pole. But you may have noted that motors above 5HP are often 1800RPM, 4-pole. You can scale this as far as you want. I have seen an 18-pole alternator (200RPM) but it was too big to fit in the museum.

What do we have here? 25KW is about 34 horsepower. Figure alternator efficiency as 80%, we need 42 horses at the shaft.

Flathead specs:

1934-1941, 221CID
CID     HP@RPM
221     85@3800

Curves

We have 50HP at 1800 RPM, need 42, so 1800 is a possibility.

I have power vs. fuel plots for a flattie somewhere, but not at hand. They show the usual trends: power peaks at some high RPM, perhaps 3600, but both torque and economy peak around half that RPM, say 1800. Economy is much better at 1800 than 3600.

Running 3600, the engine can make 80HP, twice what we need, so it would have to be throttled way back. On a spark engine, that's bad for economy. Expansion ratio is lower, mechanical friction is high.

At 1800, the 42HP load is just shy of wide-open, economy can be good. Mechanical friction is lower, wear is less, and inertia stresses are 1/4 what they are at 3600.

While the flattie can turn 3600, maybe past 4300 stock, how happy is it? And how long will it run?

Flattie featured just 3 main bearings. Poured babbit bearings into 1936. My Four has five mains, all thinwall type (much better), which is why it is rated to turn 5800 RPM on peaks, though the noise discourages use above 4000 except to merge onto a highway.

Comments from modern users:
> A Flatmotor MAY turn 3300RPM but it won't be happy for long
> It CAN cruise all day at 2500 RPM
> It will be VERY happy between 1800-2100

> ...doing about 2800 rpm ...it was screaming like a banshee...

 
There are various uses for "emergency" engines. Stationary fire-pump engines may be rated high power for only 100 hours total life. I guess if your building suffers ten 10-hour fires, you have worse problems than your pump. For electric, there is the "get me through the night!" application, where line crews are coming "soon", and "power will be out a while", such as a remote site where power goes out in the first ice-storm and can't be restored until the snow melts 3 months later.

And my dad says the flattie needed major attention in 50,000 miles, which is perhaps 1,000 hours of cruising (not screaming).

My mechanical gut says that asking a flattie to run 3600 RPM for 100 hours is risky, whereas it may turn 1800 RPM for many-many hundreds of hours.

I vote 4-pole 1800 RPM.

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Re: Simpson 260, Roll Top Covers 00248
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2015, 08:12:08 pm »
I gave away my '47 flathead with mercury heads.  the guy turned it into a 300+Hp for his 30's era coupe, drove it once, wife got it in the divorce!
Went Class C for efficiency

 


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