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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #100 on: October 10, 2015, 08:41:05 pm »
Found a solution to where I should put my footswitch and line out jacks, I built a little panel above the tube sockets(the jacks alternate with them). this way I can have a little cutout in my back panel and Have all these cables on the back of the amp instead of the faceplate, Also the wires to them are a lot shorter.
IN order of appearance ,trem, reverb, line out
The picture shows the jacks, the alligator clip spaghetti is me sampling presence controls


I have a question:
I've been doing some comparing and this amp is loud and clean up till about 8 on the volume.
However to achieve the same max. clean volume as my deluxe reverb build (around 4.5 on the dial) I have to turn it to about 6 or 7! and even cranked it's only distorting a little which seems kind of wrong for a blackface as they seem to break up around 4.5 to 5


Also I seem to need ALOT more bass and treble out of the tone controls to achieve a nice sciooped tone and the more the amp is turned up the more prominent the mids get, and not in a good way.


to eliminate a possibility I bypassed the harmonic vibrato(making it essentially a normal AA964 vibrolux and it actually becomes quieter and thinner so it's not vibrato circuit




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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #101 on: October 11, 2015, 09:01:42 am »
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and even cranked it's only distorting a little
what I've found when that happens is usually I don't have enough drive to my PA section, hence cleanish, or I I took to much gain outta my pre section so there is no preamp distortion, which usually doesn't give me enough drive either.
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #102 on: October 11, 2015, 10:19:36 am »
V1B has a split plate load resistor (100K and 6.8K) and the output is taken across the 6.8K which means that the output is a small fraction of the total signal that V1B has available directly on the plate. You can experiment with those two resistors. Try a 47K + 47K to see if that is more to your liking. Try to keep the total resistance about 100K. Even better, replace those two resistors with a 100K pot (mil spec or PEC) and adjust for whatever gain you want.
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #103 on: October 11, 2015, 12:59:14 pm »
THanks!
So my impression was, that split plate resistors provided more resistance to the B+ going to the plate..but not a lot more with the difference between the 2 plates being about 6 volts

So I must be missing something on how this actually functions, there's some sort of interaction between the resistors and the signal output of the pre, because if I bypass the 6.8K the signal drops hugely (I know I wasn't supposed to do that, I was doing it by way of experimentation)


IS there a simple explanation someone can give me to explain what is happening with the split plate resistors?
I'd like to understand

And would the differences I've noticed in the effectiveness of the tone stack and the amplifiers tone when turned up loud?
 (past 7 or 8 at anything below 2-3 I can still hear the acoustic tone of my plywood archtop it's that quiet)
The amp seems very mid heavy when turned up  loud



ON a side note while meticulously going over my schematic from start to finish I found 2 mistaken cap values on my board in the vibrato circuit! I had a .05 where I should've had a .005  and I had a .022 where I should've had a .22!!
the result was.....less intensity, so now it whop whops at around 9 on the intensity dial instead of 7


i also notice my power tube bias goes up a couple mv and wiggles a bit (1 volt up and down)when the vibrato is on





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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #104 on: October 11, 2015, 01:33:19 pm »
Normally the ac signal is taken from before the 100K plate R, red arrow. taken from there you have 100K between the signal and ac ground, which is through the B+ filter cap.

In your amp, signal is taken after the 100K but before the 6.8K R, blue arrow. So 1st the signal has to go through the 100K plate R which is in series with the plate signal, then there's only 6.8K between the signal and ac ground, green arrow. 

The plate still see's the total of the 2 series plate R's but the ac signal is knocked down.
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #105 on: October 11, 2015, 01:52:06 pm »
duhh :icon_biggrin:  thanks for that!, I was  bit blind to the fact that the signal was being taken off AFTER the 100K resistor

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #106 on: October 11, 2015, 02:26:47 pm »
Well i think that's what I need. I did 82k/22k  instead of 100K/6.8Kand it makes a huge difference.
A lot more gain and it seems to make the over all sound of the amp a little more bright and  well 'spanky'!
Perhaps it just the preamp contributing more


The vibrato still seems to work fine too
I was opting for a minimal change so it wouldn't impact the vibrato effect

THanks! The help I get here from everyone is invaluable to my builds/fun and I really appreciate it!

An unrelated vibrato question..I annoyingly just noticed that more modern electronics shop(which I assumed wouldn't have high value pots) has both 10M and 5M linear pots. (though I was happy to finally give Doug some business)


I know the circuit calls for 4MRA but could I try a 5M linear in it's place and maybe have the full range of the speed control? rather than add a switch(which is a perfectly good other option that I might implement, A new pot is less invasive). I find I have too much fast (it seems to almost disappear) and not enough slow

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #107 on: October 11, 2015, 02:44:47 pm »
Just replace that .01 with a .02. That's the least invasive of all. You don't have to have the switch. Using a bigger cap will slow the entire speed range. Using a switch allows you to make it slow or make it fast.

The vib circuit will work just fine with linear pots. Your control of the circuit may not be spread out across the pot rotation the way you like. Try and see.
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #108 on: October 11, 2015, 03:07:04 pm »
Do you mean the .01 you use with your switch? and eliminate the switch? just making sure


And I was noticing these changes in the revibe circuit.
 
 
 
 
 "C27 changed to .047μF and C18 changed to .01μF because they were attenuating the higher LFO frequencies too much. "
Worth doing in this context?
   

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #109 on: October 11, 2015, 05:58:34 pm »
Oops just figured this out it's basically adding a cap in parallel . I figure this out when I alligator clipped a .022 over the .01(making .032) and I liked the result, maybe a little slow on the fast end, perhaps I'll pick up a .027


I also tried clipping a resistor in paralell to the 4.7 meg resistor to increse intensity..I liked that too. might monkey with it


So I put AB763 deluxe reverb build back to back with this build, both going through the same JBLD130 and I have to say at similar preamp and volume setting the deluxe with the bright switch OFF sounds like this build with it on!
They're roughly the same volume
The deluxe is much brighter
The deluxe is also quite a bit more naturally scoooped in the mids

I think this is a result of less preamp gain in this amp??


Or is  there a lot of high end attenuation in the vibrato circuit?
The bright switch seems a lot less effective in this amp


Fun comparing them





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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #110 on: October 12, 2015, 12:46:15 am »
Hey S.Luckey would the mods you did to your stand-alone revibe be practical in my application?


I'm just curious about them


You change the .03 to .01 and you change a .1 to .047 because they attenuate the LFO high frequencies


Does this help with the  high end of the entire amp or is it particular to the sound of the vibrato?


And you put a 5.M cap in parallel with the speed pot to "limit the low end of the frequency range"


Does this help with whop whop or helicoptering as they call it?


I get a little of this at higher intensity settings at faster speeds
 
or is it more similar in result to the previous mod except affecting the low end


I'm going to move my footswitch too i like being able to turn it on instantaneously








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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #111 on: October 12, 2015, 06:12:32 am »
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Hey S.Luckey would the mods you did to your stand-alone revibe be practical in my application?
The mods I did will work in your circuit too. But if you are happy with the circuit as is there is no need. I had two objectives for modifying the LFO circuit.

First, I wanted an LED indicator that blinks at the rate of the LFO. This is mainly a visual mod, although it does increase the trem signal and it makes the amplitude of the trem signal more constant from slow speed to fast speed. But, while scoping the trem signal at my footswitch jack I noticed that the amplitude still dropped off noticeably at the faster speeds. Changing the .03 to .01 and the .1 to .047 increased the trem signal amplitude at the faster speeds, keeping the amplitude more constant across the entire speed range. Net result, I didn't have to readjust Intensity just because I changed speeds.

Second, I wanted the fast/slow speed capability because I like a slower trem. Switching a .01 cap in parallel with the original .01 cap causes the oscillator to slow down for a swampy Delta trem. But it also causes the fast speed to slow down too and sometimes I want the faster speed. Using a switch gives both speed ranges. Having an extended speed range is great, but the oscillator cannot work well over a wider range without a lot of other circuit changes. I found that below about 3Hz, the oscillator would sometimes drop out, just die. So, I put a 5.1M in parallel with the 3M speed pot to prevent the speed from going slow enough to cause drop out.

None of these mods affect the guitar sound. They deal strictly with the LFO circuit.

About your whop whop... That's likely because the two 180° out of phase trem signals are not totally cancelling in the modulator tube. For perfect cancellation the two trem signals must be exactly the same amplitude at the modulator grids (pins 2 and 7) ***AND*** the two triodes must be well matched ***AND*** the two 100K and two 470K resistors on the plates (pins 1 and 6) must be matched. A mismatch of any of these three parameters will result in some uncancelled trem signal appearing at the output of the modulator.

Changing both tubes in the trem circuit can affect the whop whop. That's where I'd start. Checking those four resistors I mentioned would be the second thing I'd do. Then I'd put a scope on the modulator grids to ensure the two trem signals are equal. If not, look back to the phase inverter to correct. If they are equal, move the scope to the modulator plates. If the signals are not equal then start rotating tubes. When everything is matched the trem signal will be completely cancelled and should not appear at the output of the two 470K mixing resistors. Since whop whop is not a mission critical parameter, don't expect perfect cancellation. Even if you get perfect cancellation, that's likely to change as the tubes age.

You can probably get the whop whop down to acceptable levels by simply turning the intensity down a bit.
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #112 on: October 12, 2015, 05:02:02 pm »
THanks for taking the time to explain, It really helps. I appreciate it no end

My tremelo works well, despite the whop whop at higher intensity and speed settings

with a .02 cap (fast slow switch simplified mod)  I get a nice slow speed that doesn't drop out
and I can use that slow speed at max. intensity no problem, very cool phasey sound, no whop whop!


The faster I put the speed, the less the intensity, but perversely the sooner the whop whop comes in


At fastest speed I can't get the intensity past 4


At about 4 on the speed I can't get intensity past 5.5


I currently have the two caps mods implemented ( to keep the intensity equal through the speed range)
I might swap that back as it seems I have a whop whop limit regardless

I tried swapping out the tubes with some effect on the intensity and whop whop. the only way i can test the balance of them is measuring the B+ on their plates
The resistors are all brand new flameproof types that generally measure dead on!


Oh and I think a fair bit of the whop whop comes from the efficiency of the JBL D130 as I tried it with a pair of 10s and a lot less whop whop




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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #113 on: October 15, 2015, 02:47:02 am »
Here's what you do if you're a complete nutbar and you want to try your amp in rehearsal with 2 x 12's before you decide to cut down the cabinet to make a smaller 2 x 10 or 10 and 12 cab


The cutout for the controls is tight because i'm leaving room to shift it to one side if I decide to make the cab less wide


The really funny thing about these pictures is that if you look closely (to the left and right of the amp in the cab) you can see the old hardcover books I used to prop the amp up on as I mounted it...in a hurry prior to rehearsal....and then I forgot they were in there!!!!


There are no back panels mounted of course and I used the original bottom for the hammond amp for the tryout

The speakers are a JBL D123 and a 70s Rola driver


The amp sounded really good! I received compliments from my bandmates
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #114 on: October 15, 2015, 04:47:00 am »
I like it! I've still got a 12" speaker in a "cab" that I made out of scrap plywood (sheathing, not the nice stuff) about 18 months ago. I've got some chestnut boards scavenged from our home re-model that I keep meaning to use to make a pretty cabinet, but just don't get around to it.


Speaker sounds just fine in the plywood box.  :icon_biggrin:
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #115 on: October 15, 2015, 11:09:15 am »
Toxophilite,  I think you have done a pretty cool thing with this build.  Thanks for sharing your success!


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I've got some chestnut boards scavenged from our home re-model that I keep meaning to use to make a pretty cabinet, but just don't get around to it.

John,  chestnut can be a magnificently beautiful wood.  IF you do something with it, please consider sharing the photos.  I would love to see what you did to honor that wood.  Many chestnut trees have suffered a blight and the wood has become increasingly difficult to find.

With respect, Tubenit

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #116 on: October 15, 2015, 07:02:24 pm »
Oh man, way to put the pressure on!  :laugh:  I am not even 10% the craftsman you are. One reason I haven't gotten to it yet is I am waiting till I have time to concentrate just on that. I plan on cutting off a little scrap from the board end, and sanding and cleaning it up and see how it looks. Anything I put on will be clear; just my personal preference but I always like the natural color of any wood as much as possible.
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« Reply #117 on: October 15, 2015, 11:45:10 pm »
I'm with you on the natural colour. I make traditional one piece longbows and recurves out of a variety of beautiful woods and some people ask me what colour I'm going to paint them????!!!! :dontknow:

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #118 on: October 16, 2015, 08:19:07 pm »
Dang, you build bows? If not too much trouble, post a couple pics in Other Topics. I had shot some archery a few years back (using a creaky old Bear compound) and really liked it. Bare bow, nothing hanging on it but the arrow rest. It was sort of amazing to me how quickly I could "feel" the arrow's spot of impact.


"spot" being a 15" circle.  :laugh:
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #119 on: October 16, 2015, 09:34:08 pm »
Doesn't take much to get me to show and tell a few bows..i love 'em!. I put up some pictures on other hobbies, maybe I'll put my bands up too for kicks

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #120 on: October 17, 2015, 01:03:31 am »
Here is a finished schematic if anyone is interested
Seems to work really good
The major changes in this one are the voltage divider plate resistors coming out of the second gain stage being adjusted for more gain which makes the amp also more pleasing sounding to my ears, breaks up around 5
Also some S Luckey inspired inspired changes in the vibrato and only 2 diodes in the SS rectifier

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #121 on: October 17, 2015, 04:01:48 am »
A question for Doug or S.Luckey if I may


regarding the entrance to the PI


There's a .047 cap then a 220K resistir then on Sluckeys AB763 lite there's a 270K resistor to ground
and on Hoffmans AB763 one channel there's 47k to ground at this point


Does this reflect the fact that Sluckey Ab763 lite doesn't have reverb and tremelo?


Also with this build, which is essentially a vibrolux with the 6G12 harmonic vibrato shoe-horned in I have a similar setup except I have a 220K resistor to ground as i couldn't find a 270k at that point( I forgot to buy some!)
Does the 220k make it quieter?


Would this build better suit the 47K to ground  or the 270K?
Is it merely a matter of taste?


Just curious
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #122 on: October 17, 2015, 07:54:43 am »
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There's a .047 cap then a 220K resistir then on Sluckeys AB763 lite there's a 270K resistor to ground
and on Hoffmans AB763 one channel there's 47k to ground at this point

Does this reflect the fact that Sluckey Ab763 lite doesn't have reverb and tremelo?
This 47K is all about simulating the 50K Intensity pot of the original AB763 amp. Doug's amp used a different tremolo circuit so he removed that 50K pot and just put a 47K resistor in circuit to keep the gain the same as the original AB763. I did the same in my single channel AB763, but I also combined the 47K (omitted INT pot) and the 220K mixing resistor (omitted second channel). 47K + 220K = 268K, so I just used a commonly available 270K to replace both resistances.

Your circuit is just fine with a 220K and 220K voltage divider going into the PI. This will cut the input signal seen by the PI in half. You may want to experiment with removing the 220K that goes to ground to increase this signal. You may or may not like it any better. This 'may' also compensate for the changes you made to the split plate load resistors in the second preamp (don't really know).

So, are you pleased with the reverb connected per your drawing? Is it as strong as the reverb on your AB763 amps?

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I noticed a few small errors in your schematic that I think are just draftsman errors.

1. Look at the PI input. The 820Ω NFB resistor does not connect to the .001µF PI input cap. That line should just cross over with no dot.

2. Look at the VIBRATO oscillator. You have a vertical 1MΩ resistor, top end connected to the junction of two caps, bottom end connected to pin 2 of the tube. The bottom end of that 1MΩ should be connected to pin 3 instead of pin 2.

3. Look at the power supply.  The 100K that feeds the bias diode should be connected to the end of the secondary winding, not a bias tap as shown. Your PT doesn't have a bias tap, does it?
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964Schematic..fixed
« Reply #123 on: October 17, 2015, 03:19:30 pm »
Thank goodness for your sharp eyes
and thank goodness I usually follow the layout when building!!(confirming anything confusing wit the schematic)
fixed all those things I believe
I added the faux heater centertaps as well


The reverb seems to be exactly the same as my AB763 deluxe build (and I'm using an identical tank) Plenty of it when needed!
As usual anything past 2-4 enters character/effect/Pipeline mode


I know how the rectifier/bias is supposed to hook up if I have an amp in front of me. it's the transformer diagram I find #$&45 confusing
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #124 on: October 17, 2015, 06:57:17 pm »
The 100K in the bias supply is still wrong. It should connect to the top of the winding with the center tap. You have it connected to the 5VAC winding and the voltage at that point is BIG positive DC. I don't even know why you have that 5VAC winding connected to anything???
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #125 on: October 17, 2015, 07:44:06 pm »
... About your whop whop... That's likely because the two 180° out of phase trem signals are not totally cancelling in the modulator tube. For perfect cancellation the two trem signals must be exactly the same ...

Sluckey: what do you think about replacing the plate loads of V5 with a single 250kΩ linear pot, with outer lugs to either V5 plate and wiper to B+?  He could adjust that (probably internally) to balance the signals and see if he can eliminate the helicoptering.

I'm guessing the pot will need to be an RV4-type to have sufficient voltage rating from the track to the pot body.

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #126 on: October 17, 2015, 09:55:31 pm »
That would probably work to balance the trem signals so they would cancel better. It will also affect the guitar signal. Another way to perfectly balance the trem signal would be to put a pot in the plate of V4B and adjust for cancellation of the trem signal by monitoring the recombined outputs of V5 with no guitar signal present. Might need a scope or a DMM such as the Fluke 87 that is capable of measuring the trem signal. I may experiment with this a bit tomorrow. If I make any interesting discoveries I'll post back.

This is all assuming the whop whop is caused by unbalanced trem signals to begin with.  :dontknow: I don't remember having this issue with my revibe but it's been awhile since I plugged into it.

This whop whop may just be a JBL thing. IIRC Toxophilite had a similar issue with the bias modulating tremolo in another amp but the issue disappeared when he used another speaker.
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #127 on: October 18, 2015, 01:13:06 am »
This whop whop may just be a JBL thing. IIRC Toxophilite had a similar issue with the bias modulating tremolo in another amp but the issue disappeared when he used another speaker.

Maybe just hiss + trem modulation + JBL extended treble (vs regular guitar speakers)?

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« Reply #128 on: October 18, 2015, 08:27:21 am »
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I don't remember having this issue with my revibe
FWIW I got my revibe out this spring and it did *whoop* at around 7, but it was WAY to much for me anyway so I just didn't go there, was happy with 4-5 sound.
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #129 on: October 18, 2015, 12:45:31 pm »
Well my revibe whop whops more on the faster speeds and a lot more with the JBL D130
With non-JBL speakers it still whoops, just a lot higher up on the dial, so usable,
In general the higher speeds are less intense, adjusting the response of the dial (ala the Sluckey mods) makes it so the whop whop comes earlier
I suspect it's an efficiency thing with the speakers
And yes my bias vary trem does whop whop less with non-JBL speakers.(though it still distorts)That particular D130 (not a D130F so more efficient) I have is frighteningly efficient , more so than any other speaker I have(an old rola 12 comes close) and I've had many different JBLs over the past 10 years.

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #130 on: November 02, 2015, 11:29:06 pm »
S.Luckey, or Doug, whomever has a moment to spare me
I have a last dim question regarding this amp and the resistors going into the PI
(I'm currently monkeying with it for fun and experiments sake)


Slucky explained this to me when I was asking about my 220K resistor to ground:


This 47K is all about simulating the 50K Intensity pot of the original AB763 amp. Doug's amp used a different tremolo circuit so he removed that 50K pot and just put a 47K resistor in circuit to keep the gain the same as the original AB763. I did the same in my single channel AB763, but I also combined the 47K (omitted INT pot) and the 220K mixing resistor (omitted second channel). 47K + 220K = 268K, so I just used a commonly available 270K to replace both resistances.

I wanted to ask about the differences between the two


In Doug's one channel it uses the reverb but no tremelo thus the 47k to ground to keep the gain the same as an AB763, but there are also no mixing resistors(being a one channel amp)


On Sluckey's (which is also one channel but more like a AA763 deluxe with no tremelo)  there is the 220K mixing resistor and a 270K to ground


Is this just 2 ways of achieving the same result?? or is there a difference in gain?(besides the extra post reverb gain stage in Doug's)




by the way thanks once again to Doug for having this forum and Sluckey and everyone else for the help .
 I wouldn't be successfully building amps I've alway wanted (or imagined I wanted ) without the assistance and encouragement I've received here
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #131 on: November 03, 2015, 05:25:36 pm »
Is this a difficult question to answer? or an overly simple one that I should know
I've tried both combinations.
At best i could tell just the 47k to ground with no mixing resitor was a little louder and brighter maybe


Can anyone chip in with a theoretical difference if there is one :dontknow:

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #132 on: November 03, 2015, 08:38:38 pm »
We figured you already figured it out: "just 2 ways of achieving the same result"

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #133 on: November 03, 2015, 08:39:54 pm »
Hoffman's circuit loads (decreases gain) the previous stage more but still provides more signal to the PI than my circuit. My circuit has a lighter load on the previous stage but the voltage divider knocks the signal down by almost 50%. That's why Hoffman's circuit is louder. Since you have done it both ways you are in a better position to compare the two slightly different circuits.
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #134 on: November 03, 2015, 08:46:37 pm »
Thanks
I was curious as to the why of it and I appreciate the explanation
I was guessing about the two different ways to achieve the same things though the numbers made sense that way


I think I need to do some more reading and get past copying and learn what's going on a little more

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #135 on: December 13, 2015, 09:37:39 pm »
Hello
I've been enjoying this Amp
I did a recording session with it a couple weeks back


I was wondering about something
I like the harmonic vibrato but it would be cool to be able to bypass that whole circuit and get a straight AB763 vibrolux sound sometimes
I feel running the signal through that circuit somehow alters it's EQ
Would be at all possible to install some sort of bypass switch?
or is it impossible with the split plate resistors of the gain stage prior?
here's the schematic again for ease;

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #136 on: December 13, 2015, 10:58:31 pm »
You can do it with a DPDT switch. One half of the switch will connect the .047 either to the junction of the 82K and 22K (as shown on your schematic) or directly to the plate. The other half of the switch would connect the bottom end of the 3.3M/10pf either to the .1 (as shown on the schematic) or the bottom end of the .047. The 500pf feeding into the reverb driver would always stay connected to the bottom of the 3.3M/10pf.
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #137 on: December 14, 2015, 01:35:38 am »
Thanks!

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #138 on: December 14, 2015, 08:36:14 am »
This is what I had in mind. The switch is shown in the normal position. Flip the other way for bypass.

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #139 on: December 16, 2015, 05:25:44 pm »
Cool Thanks for the bit o' schematic!
I tried it out and..
I actually hooked it up differently originally(I had been planning it in the car  :icon_biggrin:  prior to consulting the schematic again) and it worked properly but made an unholy loud pop through the speakers when switching
I thought it was my hookup so i  hooked up like the schematic and it did the same. Worked but  'POP!!!!'


I am using a relatively inexpensive mini switch that is rated for 3 amps at 250 VAC (6A at 125)
Would it be better with a bigger more expensinve switch?
or do I need a big cap across the switch??


Thanks again

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #140 on: December 16, 2015, 05:31:25 pm »
I wuz gonna say: S's plan will POP.

(Nano-switch or frankenstein switch don't matter.)

Consider this:
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #141 on: December 16, 2015, 07:19:51 pm »
Excellent
I think I have a couple of 3.3m resistors and a .047 cap too
Thanks!


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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #142 on: December 16, 2015, 08:00:39 pm »
3Meg, 10Meg, 8.79Meg... whatever. Much larger than 100K, much smaller than 100Meg.

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #143 on: December 17, 2015, 01:20:03 am »
Damn. now I'll have to flip a coin! :icon_biggrin:


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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #144 on: December 17, 2015, 01:46:50 am »
Do you understand why the R to stop the POP and why the wide value choice?  :icon_biggrin:

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #145 on: December 17, 2015, 02:07:51 am »
I'd be more than happy if you'd explain, truly I would!


 I don't know the theory, though I know there's similiar setup with a 10 meg R on the bright switch on my super reverb


I would guess that it's large enough not to let audio signal through and lessen the signal but high enough to stop the pop


Unfortunately I tried PRR's setup with a couple of 4.7 meg resistors( I had them available) and it still made a huge POP!!!!


I have to wait till morning to tray anything else or even try that again as I live in apartment and that pop noise is pretty startling






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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #146 on: December 18, 2015, 12:41:57 pm »
Any more ideas as to how to make this switchable without a giant Pop ? :help:


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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #147 on: December 18, 2015, 03:06:36 pm »
Install a mute switch and always flip it first.
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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #148 on: December 18, 2015, 06:43:15 pm »
> it still made a huge POP!!!!

I'll speculate that it is not wired as drawn.

Have you pondered Willabe's question?

The one plan switches between points at +200V and +280V DC. The 80V jump over-over-loads the amp.

The second plan SHOULD have all three switch terminals at *zero* VDC at all times. Does it?

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Re: Harmonilux Reverb AA964???
« Reply #149 on: December 18, 2015, 11:58:55 pm »
You could be right, however I did check it a few times to make sure, but I'm quite capable of making mistakes
At the time it was late and I couldn't keep experimenting with it further due to noise constraints
Perhaps I'll wire it up again this eve and measure some voltages
thanks

 


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