Hey JimBob look

[Ed_Chambley]

Here is the most overrated pinch harmonic shredder getting shown up by an Englishman playing country music.  If I were Morse, I don't think I would have appeared.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Wv0ZyuLhc

[Ritchie200]

Be careful with your Morse (accurate) criticism...  SG will get all butt hurt cause you dissed his hero (other than Flock of Seagulls) and not speak to you every again....   Why he felt he needed MORE distortion - oh to cover up his mistakes....   You know, I think Steve and Albert used to tour together back in the Dixie Dreggs days of Steve's career.  I have to say, Steve can pick.  I just wish it had been a little cleaner and more suited to the tune.  He needs to throw that 5150 mush backline into the trash.

Albert is a monster.  Enough said. 

Purple is coming to town on their Last Tour Tour.  Ian Paice had a stroke last year so they have all agreed this is the last dance.  I just can not go.  Without Ritchie and with Gillan's limited range, I would like to remember them as they were when I saw them in 1973.  Plus, Morse would just piss me off!!!

SG

Jimbob

[Ritchie200]

Done right with the right people...   One of the best shows I have ever been to was a Ricky Skaggs show.

Jim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=502ZjHWBVUk

[Ed_Chambley]

Yep, I have seen Ricky Scaggs more times than I know.  Did you ever see him before Albert when he had Ray Flake?  Ray is one heck of a player as well.  What is funny is Ricky never thought he was good enough to play Electric leads. Today, his shows are based in true Bluegrass, but you will see an original Tweed Deluxe and a Fiesta Red Telecaster behind them.  When they get to what he calls his country hits, he plays the electric.  Yes, he can play it well too.


I asked him at a meet and greet after a show in North Carolina why he did not tour with his Country Band anymore, and he smiled as said there is no such thing as country music anymore.  He went on to say he never really was a country player and by accident his country music career started.  It started by him playing with some country players and the only songs he knew were Bluegrass.  He said he started playing Uncle Pen, and old times song, and the band started jamming to it.  This is when he got the idea to rearrange bluegrass songs for Country Fans.


He said that is all he really did was play the same old songs with great players.  I said you had to do most of it.  He said " no really, I simply played mandolin and sang through my nose."

[Ed_Chambley]

And yes, Steve Morse is a great player.  My point of the video is They did not match the 2 very well.  I prefer Steve Morse best when he rearranges songs as instrumentals.  Like Kashmir.  Older DIXIE Dreggs before he became too cool to have Dixie in front of Dreggs.  And yes, I have seen him with Deep Purple.  Problem I have is I know Blackmore's style too well and I always feel like when the guitar solo starts it is like the grabbed a guitar player to fill in who never listened to any of Deep Purple's music.


I guess if I were as popular as Mores I may play it my way too, but if I am not mistaken people who buy tickets to see Deep Purple would rather hear at least some of Blackmore neoclassical/Baroque styling.

[SILVERGUN]

Well, it finally happened...I've been afraid of this.
He's been hanging around DP so long that their lameness has rubbed off on him....poor guy is so out of it he doesn't even realize his amp has a clean channel.
He has, however, MASTERED this riff
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Did Jimbob just get so excited that he posted a video of some sweet Tele action? 

[Ed_Chambley]

Actually I saw Blackmore play it Index at string 4 and 5 at fret 5, then switched to ring finger and moved up the neck, but staying on string 4 and 5.


I then saw him in Germany play the damn thing open string G and hammered on string 3 and 4.  There is definitely a lower timbre on the Machine Head album and using album does not mean I am old.  It means I know an album is a collection of items.


I still have record albums and am in the process of making a 2.0 system, all tube pre and phono with Push Pull 300B Toobs.  No telling what the thing will sound like.


Make fun of the simple riff if you want, but I wish I would have done it. Morse is a player for sure, but I have often wondered why he never really matured as a player.  What I mean is his play is not distinctive.  For instance, when you hear Neal Schon, EVH, Hendrix, Duane you know exactly who they are.  When DP released Perpendicular the song Ted the Mechanic got radio play and I did not know until I looked at the CD who was playing Guitar.


I knew it wasn't Tommy cause he was dead.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj69B7zQsgI

[EL34]

Ted the Mechanic is a pretty cool tune
I like this live version
live Montreux 1996

https://youtu.be/E3Dr9ZCBclk


Can't say I am a big fan of the weird overdrive tone he and others seem so fond of
At about 2:30 in the video above
Nasal sounding, too many gain stages, plugged nose, muffled type sound

[Ritchie200]

Oh gosh, Morse talking about how to play Smoke on the Water is like...like....like.... Bieber trying to explain Mozart.  What the hell!  "Ritchie must have had an octave thing to get those low harmonics..."      OMG....  The difference between ability and someone desperately trying to copy ability.

Ed here is your thumb thing he always does, and at 3:00, the finger picking - which is how he played it on Machine Head.  The difference Mr. Morse, is that he was using a real amp.  Jon Lord, what a cool guy.  He lived next to George Harrison and they played together for fun frequently.  I would have liked to have been a fly on that wall...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7ZF2xaNhyw

Actual video from the Made in Japan recordings with finger pick and end of solo tune up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6lYIAoez_w

Here is an interesting isolated track of just Ritchie on Highway Star from Machine Head.  Everyone said this was recorded with an AC30.  Wrong, it was with the Major with a new mod the factory had done for him.  If you listen close, you can hear what sounds like a compressor.  No pedals, this was straight in.  It's the same through the whole album.  There is even a mistake at the end that I didn't know existed on that recording!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qp_NLg1SFI

More useless historical info...
Jim

[Ed_Chambley]

Ted the Mechanic is a pretty cool tune
I like this live version
live Montreux 1996

https://youtu.be/E3Dr9ZCBclk


Can't say I am a big fan of the weird overdrive tone he and others seem so fond of
At about 2:30 in the video above
Nasal sounding, too many gain stages, plugged nose, muffled type sound

Yep, I agree.  Too many 12Ax7's.


I really don't understand this either.  I saw of all things Molly Hatchet right with the 5150 amp came out and Dave Hlubek, the guitarist and owner of the band was using one.  Did not sound right at all.  Quite different when I saw them at the Agora Ballroom (Alex Cooley's Electric Ballroom) in Atlanta before they released their first recording.  Cranking Marshall with EL34 distorting.  Big bottles don't seem to get fizzy, they seen to give more the more they are pushed and it is a lot smoother.  I really liked their version of Dreams and thought the solo was creative, but with the 5150 it was mushy.


To bad 2 of them are too loud for most placed these days.


What happened to drinking until you can barley walk, having to scream at the person right next to you.  Ordering s Scotch and they bring you Snhopps and leaving the show with your ears ringing like you have been at a turkey shoot and forgot you ear plugs.




Like in the section of you video post.  When Morse really begins to shred the articulation of the notes disappear.  He is actually noting faster than the amps response.  When Eric Johnson does this, you can hear everything.  I am not sure what Morse was playing, but it looks like the White EVH stuff which in and around 1996 was still made by Peavey.


And yes Jim, the thumb thing is what I was talking about, but I have seen him go from fret 5 to 8 to 10 and seen him play the first G open 2 strings too.

[EL34]

Same with Warren Haynes lead sound
That horrible nasal overdrive tone from his Soldano


I re-tube his Soldano
I could never figure out why these guys liked that lead tone


John Petrucci on his solo record has that same horrible lead tone

[EL34]

Here ya go
here's a perfect example of that horrible nasal, 40 blankets over a speaker cabinet tone

I used an on line mp3 crop program to pick out a section of a mp3 file


http://el34world.com/Misc/Music/files/NasalTone.mp3

[Ed_Chambley]

Same with Warren Haynes lead sound
That horrible nasal overdrive tone from his Soldano


I re-tube his Soldano
I could never figure out why these guys liked that lead tone


John Petrucci on his solo record has that same horrible lead tone

Last time I saw Warren Haynes he was playing a PRS Amp and a Maple ES335.  Sounded very Marshall like.

When Eddie used to lie about his amp mods, I think this may have started this.  Then the guys started modding adding more gain stages.  Don't get me wrong, I like additional tubes in the preamp, but the JCM 800 cold clipper is about as far as I like.  It still cleans up well.

It is cool playing one of those amps as they do sustain for days, but Jack Pearson has been posted a few times now.  That guy knows the secret and I wish I was better at it.  Very light touch, simple amp turned up and volume controlled by his attack and a Tube Screamer to help with the slide.

That light touch keeps the tone more even and there is not much different in the attack and sustain so the ears are fooled from the lack of the volume drop.

I know you worked on Dickey's stuff too.  Dickey Betts is a very underappreciated player.  He has a light touch too, but looks like he doesn't.  To me the neck position on his Gold Top in Blue Sky is a beautiful lead tone.  Also, his trick of returning to the 3rd and repeating the pattern is way cool.

I guess you can tell I have stole a few licks.    We all do.  Now you and Sluckey have gotten me listening to Surf.   Used to be as close to Surf I would get was Rockabilly cause Duane Eddy played both.  Then I saw Jerry Douglas do Walk Don't Run with his string bending and next thing you know it is in my head.  Still is, I can hear it now.

That is rather ballsy playing when you have nothing but clean and verb.  Miss a note and it stand out like a POAP.