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Offline hesamadman

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Starting Bass Amp Build (tube Pre SS Power)
« on: August 21, 2017, 03:07:18 pm »
Finally drew up my schematic for the bass amp. I will have to tweak the values in the tone stack since it was cut from an Engl guitar preamp. I am trying to implement a cathode follower so it can drive the solid state power amp even though the spec sheet of the SS amp does not even list a recommended impedance. This is just a very generic CF. I will mess with it on my breadboard before I build it into a rack space. I will also have to work on a power supply. Any suggestions on a PT would be much appreciated. I would like to install it inside the rack space rather than on top of a chassis. 


This is the SS power amp I am using
https://www.parts-express.com/sure-electronics-aa-ab31282-1x200w-class-d-audio-amplifier-board-t-amp--320-3360


« Last Edit: August 21, 2017, 05:06:13 pm by hesamadman »

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Re: Starting Bass Amp Build (tube Pre SS Power)
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2017, 04:51:35 pm »
Take a look at the Antek transformers....You might want to take a read through this thread...http://www.ax84.com/bbs/index.php?area=23

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Re: Starting Bass Amp Build (tube Pre SS Power)
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2017, 05:14:52 pm »
The link I had posted above didn't work. I fixed it. I found this transformer that would work fine for the solid state amp.


http://www.mouser.com/Search/m_ProductDetail.aspx?Hammond-Manufacturing%2F182Q9%2F&qs=savM97goi5i9GBJGkpYUzg%3D%3D


I'm guessing i won't find a PT that's all in one. I'm going to need a separate PT for my plate voltage and filaments. But could use a very small one for only two 12ax7's.

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Re: Starting Bass Amp Build (tube Pre SS Power)
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2017, 11:32:39 pm »
I found this transformer that would work fine for the solid state amp.
http://www.mouser.com/Search/m_ProductDetail.aspx?Hammond-Manufacturing%2F182Q9%2F&qs=savM97goi5i9GBJGkpYUzg%3D%3D


not if you want 200W output. you're going to need at LEAST a 200VA PT if your class D truly is 100% efficient. not likely. plus datasheet states REGULATED.

you need a 36V 250-300W regulated switching PS for full 200W output into 3? ohms. see note number 8 on datasheet.

bah! 3 ohm load - they publish bigger numbers with that. never heard of a 3ohm speaker.  probably makes less than 60W into 8 ohms. you can do much better than that module.

if you must, then this one should work... 35bux + ship

--pete

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Re: Starting Bass Amp Build (tube Pre SS Power)
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2017, 04:27:07 am »
Three 8 ohm speakers in parallel is slightly less than 3 ohm.  will handle 4 speakers in parallel. 

regarding input impedance,  spec sheet states typical 10k with a max of 11k ohm. 

Post some sounds when finished. 
 
« Last Edit: August 22, 2017, 04:44:31 am by drgonzonm »

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Re: Starting Bass Amp Build (tube Pre SS Power)
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2017, 06:40:56 am »
There's a few things I missed on the spec sheet. I don't know how I didn't see the input impedance is at 10k.


I'll most likely be using a 4 ohm cabinet with this one. I might try a higher power module later but I already have this one.


Would it make sense to just buy a power supply like  suggested and mount it inside chassis rather than building one?

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Re: Starting Bass Amp Build (tube Pre SS Power)
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2017, 10:23:40 pm »
You sure do not need 3 stages of gain!!

You sure don't want to build a cathode follower and then add 220K of added resistance.

The attached is closer to what you want.

> never heard of a 3ohm speaker.

For a constant voltage (low resistance) source, lower Z is higher power, obviously. In TV-sound and some car audio we are seeing "3 Ohm" speakers to cheat the ratings on 4-Ohm chips, and now chips rated for 3 Ohms. Obviously if he does not want to cheat some more with three 8r (2.66r) then he will apply 4 Ohms and take the 4 Ohm rating.

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Re: Starting Bass Amp Build (tube Pre SS Power)
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2017, 02:48:51 pm »
From what I saw on the website, you might want to include a master volume, also a plugin. 

I would purchase a power supply and mount in the the cabinet.  Now how are you going to power the pre-amp? 

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Re: Starting Bass Amp Build (tube Pre SS Power)
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2017, 06:11:09 am »
PRR that seems exactly like what I should be doing. Thanks for that edit. I will go that rout.


I think I am going to find a more suiting class D module for this build.

 


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