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Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« on: October 09, 2017, 11:18:54 am »
So I'm now building my 4th Hoffman AB763 amplifier in as many months, and this one is the 4X10 Super Reverb version for a local player's Christmas present from his wire and grandmother.  Great ladies for sure.  I've just finished the circuit board and just have to clean it with pick and alcohol and it will be ready to install.  Chassis will be here Wednesday and everything else has arrived.  I just happen to have a raw BFSR cabinet in stock from many moons ago so today I will be tolexing and grill clothing it while awaiting the chassis.

The family members chose the 40 watt 4X10 version of the amp after the player played one of my Duke 65 amps (Hoffman BFDR) which I built for his father.  This is the fellow who said the Duke 65 was the best amp he had ever played and who had been in lots of local L.A. studios playing their amps.  So, I'm a little worried he won't get the same early breakup and magic tone he experienced with this more powerful version compared to the 1X12 22 watt version.  I know the 40 watt SR version has the 0.022uf mid caps and the undersized 100Ω NFB resistor for the 2Ω OT (which is supposed to allow it to get dirty faster than if it had the proper 200Ω value) but I'm just not sure.  I also know that lots of folks love the BFSR tone and I've built several 1X15 40 watt VV versions that are sweet but loud according to the players who own them so I'm hopeful it will work for him.  This player uses a pedal board and has been playing a Fender Blues Deville for the last few years so I guess he is used to 40 watts.  Do any of the players in here play an SR amp?  If so, what do you think about it?
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2017, 02:22:29 pm »
I don't play one yet.  But have had several in for recaps and 3 conductor power cords and really loved the beasts. Sweet cleans and lotsa balls. Liked them so much that I have an SR chassis sitting in the cradle right now. That populated board in the pic looks great and mine will be black. I see you used chicklet caps which I have found to sound pretty good. I've built the last 2 amps using them and I really can't tell a difference between them and pricier caps. (Could be my electronic ears though). Look at the AA763 which has .033 mid cap and 820 ohm fb resistor at 2 ohms OT. One could try different values on the mid cap and fb resistor to suit taste.

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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2017, 03:02:53 pm »
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... and the undersized 100Ω NFB resistor for the 2Ω OT (which is supposed to allow it to get dirty faster than if it had the proper 200Ω value) but I'm just not sure.
The various model AB763 amps use 100Ω or 47Ω NFB resistors. None use 200Ω resistors. The size of the resistor is determined by the speaker load impedance for the particular models. Any model that has an 8Ω speaker load will use a 47Ω resistor. Models that use a 2Ω or 4Ω speaker load will use a 100Ω NFB resistor.
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2017, 04:15:17 pm »
Are you guys calling the 100 ohm resistor to ground on the bottom half of the PI on the schematics the fb resistor? If so then what do we call the 820 ohm resistor coming off the 2 ohm tap of the OT?

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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2017, 04:21:41 pm »
Any model that has an 8Ω speaker load will use a 47Ω resistor. Models that use a 2Ω or 4Ω speaker load will use a 100Ω NFB resistor.

Steve yes I know.  However, the signal level from an 8Ω OT is different from a 4Ω OT and that is different from that of a 2Ω OT and technically speaking in order to maintain the same level of negative feedback signal keeping the series resistor at 820Ω one would expect the value for the shunt resistor to be:
8Ω=47Ω
4Ω=100Ω
2Ω=200Ω

I do realize Leo didn't follow that mathematical process on the 2Ω amps but it does change the amount of NFB on them.  Right?
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2017, 04:32:09 pm »
Are you guys calling the 100 ohm resistor to ground on the bottom half of the PI on the schematics the fb resistor? If so then what do we call the 820 ohm resistor coming off the 2 ohm tap of the OT?
The 820Ω resistor is the series feed resistor.  The 100Ω or 47Ω resistor is the shunt resistor.  The ratio of these two resistors (in conjunction with the signal voltage level of the OT secondary) is what governs the amount of NFB sent to the PI

http://www.aikenamps.com/index.php/designing-for-global-negative-feedback
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2017, 04:41:09 pm »
Thanks Barry, I was aware of that but wasn't aware you all called the shunt resistor the "feedback" resistor.

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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2017, 04:41:43 pm »
I see you used chicklet caps which I have found to sound pretty good. I've built the last 2 amps using them and I really can't tell a difference between them and pricier caps.
Yes I've been using Xicon caps for most of my amps after going down the cork sniffer trail trying every different holy grail cap (original mustards, Mallory's etc etc) and coming to the same conclusion you have.  It's all about value and quality of manufacture.  I've still got quite a few PIO caps, original mustard caps, Mallory 150 caps but the Xicons are just fine.
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2017, 04:43:21 pm »
Thanks Barry, I was aware of that but wasn't aware you all called the shunt resistor the "feedback" resistor.

I probably should have been more specific.  I see the two as integral and since the 820 doesn't really change across the different OT secondary designs, the shunt is the variable.  That being said I do believe the 820Ω is the one more commonly referred to as the NFB resistor.  With the 100Ω shunt on a 2Ω secondary the NFB signal level is lower at the PI so there is more distortion on those amps earlier on than the other amps.
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2017, 04:46:42 pm »
Where does one find a schematic of the Corona Amp Works Duke 65?


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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2017, 04:48:55 pm »
Where does one find a schematic of the Corona Amp Works Duke 65?

It's nothing but a Hoffman AB763 2-channel so right here:

http://el34world.com/Hoffman/files/Hoffman_AB763_2.pdf :laugh:

By the way, I love the look of a black Garolite circuit board.  I've built quite a few amps with that color board.  I've also used red, brown and the Marshall style hole grid brown.  I think black is my favorite though.  Right now I'm using up a green G10/FR4 4'x4' board and when I'm done with that I'll move on to the other colors I have in stock.  Of course few will ever see them.
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2017, 05:16:59 pm »
Where does one find a schematic of the Corona Amp Works Duke 65?
Of course few will ever see them.
True  but the black is really awesome to behold. It accentuates the colors of the components, they stand out against the black. Black is mysterious....    LOL

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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2017, 05:18:30 pm »
What schematic did the 47 ohm feedback shunt resistor come from ?


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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2017, 05:21:33 pm »
What schematic did the 47 ohm feedback shunt resistor come from ?

The deluxe reverb which has the 8Ω speaker load

http://el34world.com/charts/Schematics/files/fender/Fender_Deluxe-Reverb-AB763-schematic.pdf

You can also see it in any other 8Ω version like the Vibroverb with (1) 8Ω 15" speaker

http://el34world.com/charts/Schematics/files/fender/Fender_vibroverb_ab763_schem.pdf

The 4Ω versions of the amp have the 100Ω shunt resistor.  Likewise the 2Ω versions which as I pointed out is not mathematically the same level of NFB.  Theoretically, the 2Ω amps should have a 200Ω shunt.  but, with 4 speakers driving the SPL I'm thinking less NFB allows more distortion sooner so that's probably a good thing.
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2017, 05:33:35 pm »
What schematic did the 47 ohm feedback shunt resistor come from ?
All AB763 amps that use an 8Ω speaker load will have a 47Ω resistor. That includes Deluxe, Deluxe Reverb, Vibroverb, and Showman (Maybe others, but those I have memorized). In fact, since the Showman was available as a single or dual showman, there's a note on the schematic for that resistor...

     http://el34world.com/charts/Schematics/files/fender/Fender_Showman-AB763-schematic.pdf

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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2017, 07:06:45 pm »
I see now.  The last AB763 I assembled was a Hoffman single channel DR and the fb shunt in it is 100 ohm, and I guess it assumes an 8 ohm load. I never thought to try a 47 ohm there with 8 ohms.  I also understand Barry's concern to get the right (best?) value based upon the impedance of the OT secondary. BTW  that SCDR sounds really really nice.
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2017, 07:15:42 pm »
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2017, 07:53:34 pm »
I see now.  The last AB763 I assembled was a Hoffman single channel DR and the fb shunt in it is 100 ohm, and I guess it assumes an 8 ohm load. I never thought to try a 47 ohm there with 8 ohms.  I also understand Barry's concern to get the right (best?) value based upon the impedance of the OT secondary. BTW  that SCDR sounds really really nice.
The first Hoffman DR I built this year went out with a 100 ohm shunt resistor and the owner loves the tone of the amp.  That means a little more NFB is ok too I guess.  Since I am not a big player,  I am always seeking advice on the tone aspect of these amps from real players.  I know some see these questions as nit picking, but I am passionate about player feedback.  I'm not building these amps for me after all.
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2017, 10:03:59 pm »
i have a late 65 - early 66 BFSR. it is my favorite amp. right behind that is my 72 ampeg V4 played through a EV15L & EV12L in closed back cabinet. need to order a new cabinet and grill for the BFSR - it deserves a better home... 


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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2017, 06:33:41 am »
i have a late 65 - early 66 BFSR. it is my favorite amp. right behind that is my 72 ampeg V4 played through a EV15L & EV12L in closed back cabinet. need to order a new cabinet and grill for the BFSR - it deserves a better home... 
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2017, 08:02:09 am »
Alright, so doing the math on the NFB I get:

Deluxe 22 watts into 8 ohms V=sqrt(22*8) 13.3Vrms with 47Ω shunt

Vibroverb 40 watts into 8 ohms V=sqrt(40*8) 17.9Vrms with 47Ω shunt

Dual Showman 40 watts into 4 ohms V=sqrt(40*4) 12.7Vrms with 100Ω shunt

Super Reverb 40 watts into 2 ohms V=sqrt(40*2) 8.9Vrms with 100Ω shunt

Twin Reverb 85 watts into 4 ohms V=sqrt(80*8) 18.4Vrms with 100Ω shunt

So there are some discrepancies in the ratios between amps with similar voltage levels which I guess gives them slightly different tonal characteristics.  The Twin's setup really explains why steel guitar players love it for clean.
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2017, 12:35:48 pm »
Hi..i am a new user here. In my case...
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I have an SR chassis sitting in the cradle right now. That populated board in the pic looks great and mine will be black. I see you used chicklet caps which I have found to sound pretty good. I've built the last 2 amps using them and I really can't tell a difference between them and pricier caps.

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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2017, 01:18:14 pm »
Hi..i am a new user here. In my case I have an SR chassis sitting in the cradle right now. That populated board in the pic looks great and mine will be black. I see you used chicklet caps which I have found to sound pretty good. I've built the last 2 amps using them and I really can't tell a difference between them and pricier caps.


Good gravy - you copied part of my post word for word. See reply #1 above.   :dontknow:

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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2017, 01:27:34 pm »
First time poster.  Probably clicked on quote by mistake and then didn't know what to do next.  Give it another try Noell
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2017, 01:42:43 pm »
i have a late 65 - early 66 BFSR. it is my favorite amp. right behind that is my 72 ampeg V4 played through a EV15L & EV12L in closed back cabinet. need to order a new cabinet and grill for the BFSR - it deserves a better home... 
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So Pete, The amp is not too loud for you?  It seems everyone these days is going low wattage and shunning higher wattage amps.


i am going deaf, so no. the ampeg v4 is just right. the BFSR is a bit lean on power... i don't push either amp into overdrive. i just like to dabble with surf style guitar and jazz. my hearing has rolled off completely at 6kHz and i can hear c8 on piano at about half volume of c4. i use an o-scope to check amp stability.


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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2017, 01:46:21 pm »
i am going deaf.... my hearing has rolled off completely at 6kHz and i can hear c8 on piano at about half volume of c4. i use an o-scope to check amp stability.
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2017, 01:54:09 pm »

i am going deaf,
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Pete are you using hearing aids?  I have since around '93 or so and it makes listening to certain pitches very difficult, so I can relate to both you and Barry's
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« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2017, 02:07:38 pm »
no hearing aids yet. i do need to get a pair.


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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2017, 03:58:22 pm »
Whadja say, sonny?

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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2017, 05:38:02 pm »
Whadja say, sonny?


I said is that a breadstick over your ear?
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2017, 06:41:44 pm »
> one would expect the value for the shunt resistor to be:
> 8Ω=47Ω
> 4Ω=100Ω
> 2Ω=200Ω


No--- in theory they should go by the Square Root of the nominal load. (You may have found this in a later computation.)

In practice: put in something close, smoke-test, pick speakers, then diddle this value (or the 820) more/less to taste. If you pick the 47/100 higher, the gain goes down and speaker damping increases. If you pick it low, gain goes up some and speaker is less damped. Happy damping depends a LOT on the speaker system (drivers and cabinet together), also the room genre and player.

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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2017, 08:00:13 pm »
Well based on:
1. Leo Fender was smarter than me
2. The BFSR having phenomenal success to this day
3. CBS changes to the blackface amps being perceived by most as bad


I'm going with 100 ohms on the shunt resistor and leaving well enough alone.  Thanks though PRR
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« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2017, 08:13:20 pm »
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I'm going with 100 ohms on the shunt resistor and leaving well enough alone.
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« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2017, 08:56:03 pm »
Actually even farther.  When I started I didn't realize the journey was futile. :l2:
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2017, 11:44:30 am »
Ok so I just received an SR chassis from Mojo yesterday and it is probably one of the worst chassis I've ever purchased.  The flat unpolished oxidized galvanized finish was bad enough, but the vertical centerline for the control holes was off center and too high by 3/16".  Also the bright switches were off horizontally and in fact every single hole was off from it's proper horizontal spacing (7/8" or 1-1/4") so by the last hole on the far right it was way off.  I know Mojo is good about making things right so I've emailed them about a return.  It has been a while since I purchased a chassis from them as I've been getting them from the fellow in Arkansas who's quality is pretty good but he was on vacation when I needed this one.  He's back now so I ordered one from him this morning.  The quality control on this was disappointing.  You can see in the attached photo that the bright switch top mounting hole is on the top edge of the chassis due to the vertical center line error.  The center line should be 15/16" from the bottom of the chassis and this one was centered at 1-5/64"  Very bad.
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2017, 02:51:29 pm »
...the vertical centerline for the control holes was off center and too high by 3/16".  Also the bright switches were off horizontally and in fact every single hole was off from it's proper horizontal spacing (7/8" or 1-1/4") so by the last hole on the far right it was way off.  ...


I think there is supposed to be some vertical offset due to the control panel lettering being underneath the pots on the face plate. See 67 and 73 SR side by side for comparison (I had these in for maintenance a couple of months back)
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« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2017, 02:54:49 pm »
Another shot showing the 67 faceplate a bit better
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2017, 03:06:20 pm »
Yet another closer shot showing vertical offset (especially noticeable between top and bottom of the bright switches). (Note that this amp has had some of the original parts changed, including installing a 230V 50Hz PT)
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2017, 03:15:09 pm »
Bello !  :thumbsup:

Franco

p.s.: If you apply the anti rust bath, can you show us a bit the process with some photo ? I would like to see the aspect of the chassis immediately after you extract it from the acid bath (Thanks)
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2017, 05:21:58 pm »
Yes there is offset but not as much as this chassis had.  The centerline on a typical blackface chassis should be around 1" to 1-1/16" from the bottom of the chassis measured at the face angle.  This one was almost 1-1/4" from the bottom.  The top screw for the bright switches was in the lip and the pot terminals were touching the underside of the top lip.
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2017, 05:24:47 pm »
Bello !  :thumbsup:

Franco

p.s.: If you apply the anti rust bath, can you show us a bit the process with some photo ? I would like to see the aspect of the chassis immediately after you extract it from the acid bath (Thanks)

Franco,
It's pretty simple.  Mix Oxalic acid powder in hot water and soak the rusted metal overnight.  Rinse and repeat if necessary.  I'll post the after pic tomorrow.
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2017, 08:09:22 am »
I see you used chicklet caps which I have found to sound pretty good. I've built the last 2 amps using them and I really can't tell a difference between them and pricier caps.
Yes I've been using Xicon caps for most of my amps after going down the cork sniffer trail trying every different holy grail cap (original mustards, Mallory's etc etc) and coming to the same conclusion you have.  It's all about value and quality of manufacture.  I've still got quite a few PIO caps, original mustard caps, Mallory 150 caps but the Xicons are just fine.

Im glad I read this now... I just orderd about 100 orange drops for a couple 5e3 builds. I already have a bucket full of xicon chiclets sitting around haha. :BangHead:

Also, your board looks great.

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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2017, 08:23:06 am »
Im glad I read this now... I just orderd about 100 orange drops for a couple 5e3 builds. I already have a bucket full of xicon chiclets sitting around haha. :BangHead:

Also, your board looks great.

It looks better now that it has been cleaned. :icon_biggrin:  Have fun building your 5E3's.  I love that amp circuit.
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2017, 11:01:29 am »
So just a bit more on the Mojo Chassis saga.  I have been issued an RMA but so far no prepaid shipping label.  Hopefully that is just and oversight.  We'll see.  The Mojo guys seem like pretty nice fellows but I'm getting the feeling that they believe I'm some knucklehead who doesn't understand how Fender chassis are laid out.  And in their defense, they are taking the chassis back (with return shipping paid by them I think) while possibly believing I'm a moron.  :laugh:  I'm sure they get that a lot but I have serviced, built and otherwise had my hands on a virtual plethora of Fender Tweed, brown, black and silver face amplifiers in the last 25 years.  Literally hundreds of them.  I have built at least 30 blackface clones and drafted and had engraved the custom faceplate for everyone of those amps. 

Many of the blackface amps I've built were built in original Fender chassis which came my way one way or another without their original circuitry.  Suffice it to say, I know pretty well how Fender chassis are supposed to be dimensioned.  As I said in a previous post, the typical blackface Fender chassis has it's control holes centered at anywhere from 15/16" to 1" from the bottom of the chassis measuring along the angled face.  The fellow in Arkansas, from whom I have been buying my chassis as of late, tells me he uses Mojo's dimensions for his replicas.  I have also had good luck with Mojo's chassis in the past so this is obviously an anomaly.  I don't know if someone was hung-over the day this chassis was made or out on a smoke break when the milling machine went off kilter but 1/8" up makes a huge difference when lining up knobs and lettering on a faceplate.  Attached are a photo of both the 1967 Showman chassis I just cleaned up and the Mojo chassis I also had to buff out with a ruler clamped along the face.  You will see the original Fender holes are at 1" exactly from the chassis bottom and the Mojo is at 1-1/8"  That doesn't seem like much but it is. :dontknow:
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2017, 01:00:25 pm »
The fellow in Arkansas, from whom I have been buying my chassis as of late, tells me he uses Mojo's dimensions for his replicas.

I get my chassis from the same guys. Great prices and crazy fast shipping. And they have really beefed up their selection.

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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2017, 05:18:59 pm »
I got my SR chassis from the Arkansas guys and the hole centerline in about 1 1/6" from the bottom.
 

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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2017, 06:51:29 pm »
So just a bit more on the Mojo Chassis saga.  I have been issued an RMA but so far no prepaid shipping label.  Hopefully that is just and oversight.  We'll see.  The Mojo guys seem like pretty nice fellows but I'm getting the feeling that they believe I'm some knucklehead who doesn't understand how Fender chassis are laid out.  And in their defense, they are taking the chassis back (with return shipping paid by them I think) while possibly believing I'm a moron.  :laugh:  I'm sure they get that a lot but I have serviced, built and otherwise had my hands on a virtual plethora of Fender Tweed, brown, black and silver face amplifiers in the last 25 years.  Literally hundreds of them.  I have built at least 30 blackface clones and drafted and had engraved the custom faceplate for everyone of those amps. 

Many of the blackface amps I've built were built in original Fender chassis which came my way one way or another without their original circuitry.  Suffice it to say, I know pretty well how Fender chassis are supposed to be dimensioned.  As I said in a previous post, the typical blackface Fender chassis has it's control holes centered at anywhere from 15/16" to 1" from the bottom of the chassis measuring along the angled face.  The fellow in Arkansas, from whom I have been buying my chassis as of late, tells me he uses Mojo's dimensions for his replicas.  I have also had good luck with Mojo's chassis in the past so this is obviously an anomaly.  I don't know if someone was hung-over the day this chassis was made or out on a smoke break when the milling machine went off kilter but 1/8" up makes a huge difference when lining up knobs and lettering on a faceplate.  Attached are a photo of both the 1967 Showman chassis I just cleaned up and the Mojo chassis I also had to buff out with a ruler clamped along the face.  You will see the original Fender holes are at 1" exactly from the chassis bottom and the Mojo is at 1-1/8"  That doesn't seem like much but it is. :dontknow:


put a face-plate on the "bad" chassis and take photos - send them (mojo) those photos.


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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2017, 07:52:29 pm »
put a face-plate on the "bad" chassis and take photos - send them (mojo) those photos.
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I did that.  That's how I got the RMA
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2017, 07:53:25 pm »
I got my SR chassis from the Arkansas guys and the hole centerline in about 1 1/6" from the bottom.


That's ok.  Pushing it but that works
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Re: Hoffman AB763 Super Reverb
« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2017, 09:23:16 pm »
Well anyone giving up the name of the Arkansas guys so we can get chassis to.
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