Author Topic: More bear stuff (Read 28570 times)

EL34 · « **on:** July 03, 2019, 06:49:14 am »

Another bear incident at my house.
The bear returned about 7 am.
I heard the dogs barking and I went outside to see what was going on.

The bear was running and one dog was running after it and gaining on it fast.
The dog caught the bear and bit it on the butt.
The bear ran another 100 ft, stopped and looked back.
I yelled the the bear to make it leave.
It looked at me and did not seem too concerned and then walked off.
It's not a very big bear.
Maybe a yearling.
But it is bigger than the dog that bit it on the ass :)

jjasilli · « **Reply #1 on:** July 03, 2019, 03:01:25 pm »

Sounds like you have a good bear population!

tubenit · « **Reply #2 on:** July 03, 2019, 03:11:04 pm »

Man, you have a gutsy dog! That's remarkable!

Jeff

tubenit · « **Reply #3 on:** July 03, 2019, 03:36:22 pm »

I was in Alberta Canada last week (Banff to Jasper area). One of the places I was at, a park guy said there were 300 black bears and 100 grizzlies in that area of the park. (this was the Canadian Rockies)

Prior to the trip, I read that there have been years where there have been 12-20 reported bear maulings in this "tourist" area.
At one point in 2014, it was illegal to hike in groups of less then 4 and without bear spray in one of the areas.

When we were there last week, there were a handful areas closed because of bear problems and elk attacks (calving this time of year). So, it's a real concern. The park guy thought the black bears were more problematic then the grizzlies. Perhaps the shear number was what he was referring to?

Jeff

shooter · « **Reply #4 on:** July 03, 2019, 04:57:34 pm »

You've found one of the most beautiful places I've ever visited! That whole region. When we drove through there were so many bears n moose n eagles everywhere. Humans were definitely NOT the apex creature there, more like pray

jjasilli · « **Reply #5 on:** July 04, 2019, 05:46:20 am »

A recent bear advisory in NY: http://www.dec.ny.gov/press/117390.html

Tony Bones · « **Reply #6 on:** July 04, 2019, 10:50:03 am »

Doug, I would have been terrified that the bear would turn on my dog. I'm glad that didn't happen to you.

EDIT: Your dog looks pretty fast, but that's offset by the known fact that it chases bears!

silverfox · « **Reply #7 on:** July 08, 2019, 05:11:39 pm »

Quote from: Tony Bones on July 04, 2019, 10:50:03 am

EDIT: Your dog looks pretty fast, but that's offset by the known fact that it chases bears!

DOG IS DOG!

My wife, from the Philippines has a saying: "Dog is Dog". When she first got here we went straight from the Portland International Airport, at night, 35 miles outside of Portland and lived in a cabin, off grid. She later told me she was bewildered cause she'd always heard they had these nice big cites in America, but since she didn't get into town until after the first month here, all she saw was the PNW foot hills of the Cascades.

I was at work and a black bear came around getting into the trash. As I recall, first she tried yelling at it from the window. When that didn't work, she let out my Chihuahua, which took off after the bear and chased it away. From my experiences where we now live, I've concluded black bears don't stick around when a dog starts barking due to the fact, it won't be long and another dog or 4 will show up to join the chase.

The above rule is not hard fast as I've mentioned before walking extremely close to a bear that just wasn't going to leave- at first anyway.

silverfox.

shooter · « **Reply #8 on:** July 08, 2019, 08:37:02 pm »

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it won't be long and another dog or 4

I was looking for a campground in NC, the trail head for Mt Mitchell, I seen like 12 guys all drinking beer at 7AM in a gravel pull-out, stopped n asked , got direction, then since I'm a northerner I had to ask,... "oh Son, we're bear hunt'n", they seen the confusion, laughed n said "we let the dogs out about 1/2hr ago, should hear 'em in a few minutes when it's tree'd, then one of us goes n shoots it"

PRR · « **Reply #9 on:** July 08, 2019, 08:55:28 pm »

St David Maine is 10 miles below Canada, 260 miles north of me.

PRR · « **Reply #10 on:** July 09, 2019, 02:36:43 pm »

shooter · « **Reply #11 on:** July 09, 2019, 03:44:25 pm »

Pam just showed me that one a couple days ago! like it
My favorite is one of the Star Wars fighter just blowin the sheet outta them with the caption "F#^K your family"! The world needs more cynics

backyard observations that could account for increase bears;
My barn Hive is now back to pre mite/misc devastation from the past 10yrs
Ground squirrels (Chipmunks) increased by 5X normal

jjasilli · « **Reply #12 on:** July 09, 2019, 05:39:38 pm »

Hey, there's no dogs on that Menu!

Tony Bones · « **Reply #13 on:** July 09, 2019, 07:03:04 pm »

Quote from: jjasilli on July 09, 2019, 05:39:38 pm

Hey, there's no dogs on that Menu!

I'm learning from this thread that they don't eat dogs. Still don't know why, but if I see a bear I plan to act stupid and bark annoyingly. Probbly be safest that way.

DummyLoad · « **Reply #14 on:** July 09, 2019, 07:06:35 pm »

Quote from: PRR on July 09, 2019, 02:36:43 pm

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PRR · « **Reply #15 on:** July 09, 2019, 07:32:35 pm »

> Hey, there's no dogs on that Menu!

Ed_Chambley · « **Reply #16 on:** July 10, 2019, 10:17:54 am »

Quote from: tubenit on July 03, 2019, 03:36:22 pm

I was in Alberta Canada last week (Banff to Jasper area). One of the places I was at, a park guy said there were 300 black bears and 100 grizzlies in that area of the park. (this was the Canadian Rockies)

Prior to the trip, I read that there have been years where there have been 12-20 reported bear maulings in this "tourist" area.
At one point in 2014, it was illegal to hike in groups of less then 4 and without bear spray in one of the areas.

When we were there last week, there were a handful areas closed because of bear problems and elk attacks (calving this time of year). So, it's a real concern. The park guy thought the black bears were more problematic then the grizzlies. Perhaps the shear number was what he was referring to?

Jeff

Absolutely amazing! What a wonderful trip.

Ed_Chambley · « **Reply #17 on:** July 10, 2019, 10:26:24 am »

Seems the Bears are active when the campgrounds fill up. I understand, you are just strolling around and you get, well, hungry as a Bear. You see these nice folks with their dogs, so you stop to ask "what's for dinner" except you get on the butt.

shooter · « **Reply #18 on:** July 10, 2019, 10:48:30 am »

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You see these nice folks

it's the human species, try it sometime, pick a random neighborhood and walk up n ask what's for supper? you get sprayed in the face with bear repellent

maybe humans are to cynical

silverfox · « **Reply #19 on:** July 10, 2019, 03:21:09 pm »

Quote from: shooter on July 10, 2019, 10:48:30 am

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You see these nice folks

it's the human species, try it sometime, pick a random neighborhood and walk up n ask what's for supper? you get sprayed in the face with bear repellent
maybe humans are to cynical

Are we still talking about bears or did we switch to the street people? "random neighborhood"? Got CC?

cynicfox.

shooter · « **Reply #20 on:** July 10, 2019, 06:27:36 pm »

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bear repellent

silverfox · « **Reply #21 on:** July 10, 2019, 08:45:18 pm »

Quote from: shooter on July 10, 2019, 06:27:36 pm

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bear repellent

The gun method might work.

fox.

jjasilli · « **Reply #22 on:** July 11, 2019, 08:23:37 am »

Actually, due to game laws, firearms are a troublesome alternative. Except as follows, it's illegal to shoot bears; or even to shoot in their vicinity (warning shots) which is illegal harassment of wildlife, unless: i) you have a valid hunting license/permit during bear hunting season; or ii) you are under actual attack. In the latter case being scared is not enough. You need to be able to prove an actual attack. Scars would be good evidence. Otherwise you may be found to have committed a serious offense which can result in a criminal conviction; fine; imprisonment; permanent confiscation of your firearm and possibly automobile; loss of hunting privileges, etc.

shooter · « **Reply #23 on:** July 11, 2019, 08:46:59 am »

I can see the witness list for the defense, Billy Bear

I believe SF was referring to pesky humans, there it's way easier to use a gun

silverfox · « **Reply #24 on:** July 11, 2019, 06:06:19 pm »

Quote from: shooter on July 11, 2019, 08:46:59 am

I believe SF was referring to pesky humans, there it's way easier to use a gun

Actually I was referring to U238. Early Fat Man.- Sabot; NaOH; 3 ft. and a sub critical mass.

silverfox.

shooter · « **Reply #25 on:** July 11, 2019, 07:37:46 pm »

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referring to U238

from "Got CC"?
Granted, I was confused, so I googled;
Webster said it referred to carbon copy of days gone by, to copy someone in email

so I went with the street people angle

which, from my rudimentary understanding of law, if I feel threatened with severe bodily harm, I CAN fire. It's all mute anyway, Doug lives in a world like mine, if the friggen bear won't leave, pretty sure 90% of my neighbors, self included, would fire off a warning, and nobody in a 3mile radius would take notice, talk about it at the bear, bait, n gas, yup

tubenit · « **Reply #26 on:** July 12, 2019, 04:34:06 am »

This video shows a pretty gutsy dog aggressively attacking a bear.

Jeff

jjasilli · « **Reply #27 on:** July 12, 2019, 03:46:43 pm »

if I feel threatened with severe bodily harm, I CAN fire.

I gave worst case legal scenarios above, of which it's good to be aware. YMMV.

Note that State laws vary a lot. In my state of NY, if you feel threatened, you have a duty to flee if you can do so safely; you must even flee your own home. Some states have the Castle Doctrine: you can legally use deadly force against an intruder in your home; i.e., no requirement to flee your home. Some states have the Stand Your Ground Doctrine: no need to flee anywhere. None of this applies to wildlife.

shooter · « **Reply #28 on:** July 12, 2019, 05:24:31 pm »

MI has stand your ground, you are correct though about critters, If threatened it's less legal hoops to shoot humans than animals, It's still gonna bankrupt you either way

Ritchie200 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 13, 2019, 04:20:47 pm »

When my daughter was playing basketball in Alaska, her coach would have them run trails and climb hills (mountains according to my daughter...) in the woods to break up the monotony. Coach carried a S&W .500 magnum on her hip. She used it once to scare off a momma grizz and some cubs. I've seen a few "Alaska Adventure"-type shows on cable where they fired off warning shots so maybe not as stringent in the great white north?

Jim

Ritchie200 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 13, 2019, 04:32:57 pm »

JJ,

Wildlife laws are crazy strict. In my state possession of an eagle or hawk feather will send you to jail unless you are a licensed falconer or of American Indian heritage (and can prove your need for it). So that cool Harry Potter quill pen you made for your daughter out of that big feather she found might have some serious bad magic attached to it... Can't even pick them up. Which is a shame as eagle and hawk rescue centers and falconers can use these feathers to repair damaged and broken feathers - yet another use for super glue.

Jim

shooter · « **Reply #31 on:** July 13, 2019, 05:33:27 pm »

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possession of an eagle or hawk

MI is the same

I was with a gallery and one of the artists wanted the painting(2' X 4') below BAD!
We finally came to terms, he traded me a native "peace_pipe" he designed and made. Beautiful piece (can't show pic, see quote

) All locally found items deer antler, hide, soapstone bowl, walnut shaft, feathers. I can document my ancestor married a Cherokee, Mary Morningstar in 1837, but I don't wanna do the law stuff just to keep my work of art

PRR · « **Reply #32 on:** October 22, 2019, 10:44:38 am »

This appeared in a social media site. I have no idea of the context or back-story.

video of bear and dog

EL34 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 22, 2019, 10:48:06 am »

Quote from: PRR on October 22, 2019, 10:44:38 am

This appeared in a social media site. I have no idea of the context or back-story.

video of bear and dog

That looks like some sort of pet brown bear
I thought they only had black bears in MI?

PRR · « **Reply #34 on:** October 22, 2019, 11:06:38 am »

> in MI?

The video is re-re-re-posted from a guy in India. Where he got it, I have no idea. Could be Michigan or Maine or upper California or Germany or who-knows?

Yes, I would hope the bear is some sort of "pet". Else the dog and the person with the camera should not be this close. I think the bear is "playing like a dog" (I'm sure you recognize the pouncing), but this dog doesn't feel like playing.

shooter · « **Reply #35 on:** October 22, 2019, 12:44:41 pm »

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thought they only had black bears in MI?

You are correct, they can have brownish fur, can even get BIG.
But in the YP "pets" oddities n down right makes NO sense is quite normal, there are folks that might make Appalachian hill folk think twice

DummyLoad · « **Reply #36 on:** October 24, 2019, 04:01:41 am »

glock 40 & 2 clips.

--pete

shooter · « **Reply #37 on:** October 24, 2019, 08:39:42 am »

HA
that's what the 5yr olds carry to kindergarden

Dad's in the tree's with a bolt action just to make sure

just stick to the lake coast n you'll be ok

Sonny ReVerb · « **Reply #38 on:** June 12, 2020, 03:39:18 pm »

Quote from: shooter on July 03, 2019, 04:57:34 pm

Humans were definitely NOT the apex creature there, more like pray

'Prey' is what you ARE when the bear finds you.
'Pray' is what you DO when the bear finds you.

(Sorry for the grammar police thing...)

PRR · « **Reply #39 on:** June 12, 2020, 06:35:01 pm »

Over on the island, where bears are rare, a young bear tore up a trash fence, then saw a game-camera, and chewed on it a while. Great images of the inside of a bear's mouth.
https://bangordailynews.com/2020/05/20/news/hancock/what-it-looks-like-to-be-chewed-on-by-a-bear-caught-on-video/

Also in May, an adult black bear killed eight goats and destroyed three beehives at homes near the Chesterville Wildlife Management Area in Franklin County, Maine.
https://bangordailynews.com/2020/05/12/news/lewiston-auburn/goats-beehives-mauled-by-rampaging-bear-in-franklin-county/

{Yes, these local newspaper sites can be hard to see outside the area, between paywalls and limited content distribution contracts.}

bmccowan · « **Reply #40 on:** June 12, 2020, 06:53:26 pm »

I'll join those raving about the Canadian Rockies and also Glacier NP in the US. My wife and I went there two years ago in June. Spent time hiking in Jasper and Yoho in Canada and then came down to Glacier and stayed in Many Glacier Lodge in GNP for an additional week of hiking. It was amazing! And staying at Many Glacier Lodge was a treat after years of camping. Rooms are spartan but the central lounge and deck are the places to hang. People were being kind of stupid with the Grizzlies, but often when they thought they saw a Griz, it was really a Black Bear that had brown fur - pretty common I guess.

Sonny ReVerb · « **Reply #41 on:** June 13, 2020, 06:38:21 am »

We used to go walleye fishing every year at Lac Seul in western Ontario. Usually, one night during the week we would drive to the Ear Falls dump, because you were guaranteed to find bears there. I was amazed at the people that would get out of their cars to take pictures of the bears, sometimes from 8-10 feet away. The lodge owner said he occasionally had to deal with a bear if they persisted in visiting the camp. He said the bears could pop the siding off the cabins with their claws and get inside looking for food. He would never show us where he dumped the fish gut buckets...

shooter · « **Reply #42 on:** June 13, 2020, 08:02:38 am »

had to trap out a mom n 2 kids, miniature bears

the raccoons were free-loading on cat food and biting paws! now their in a big forest with no humans. Dad bear is more illusive and bigger than my trap

PRR · « **Reply #43 on:** June 25, 2020, 01:31:03 pm »

"With a black bear high atop a tree.., police can only wait for it to come down"

Near a school and residential neighborhood.

https://bangordailynews.com/2020/06/24/news/hancock/with-a-black-bear-high-atop-a-tree-in-ellsworth-police-can-only-wait-for-it-to-come-down/

EL34 · « **Reply #44 on:** June 25, 2020, 03:10:28 pm »

I have a bear running through my property a couple times a week lately

PRR · « **Reply #45 on:** June 27, 2020, 11:17:09 pm »

They got our tree-bear. Healthy 300 pound male. Will be relocated.

sluckey · « **Reply #46 on:** June 28, 2020, 01:42:26 am »

Maybe they'll take him to New Hampshire. We'll watch it on North Woods Law next year.

PRR · « **Reply #47 on:** July 14, 2020, 01:28:38 pm »

shooter · « **Reply #48 on:** July 14, 2020, 02:17:02 pm »

nice

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We'll watch it on North Woods Law

not sure if the TV police let you watch anything law

EL34 · « **Reply #49 on:** July 17, 2020, 07:15:17 am »

Big bear at my house this morning
Dogs were outside barking like crazy

I went out to see what was going on

Big bear about 100 feet away just staring us down
He was probably at least 300 pounds and not afraid of me of my dogs

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