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Tutoring in Chicago
« on: July 14, 2019, 01:42:33 pm »
Here's a question I'm very hesitant to ask - are there any members of this forum living in the Chicago area that would be willing to give instruction for a fee? - i.e. the amplifier equivalent of guitar lessons.  I'm reading the Kuehnel, Blencowe, Megantz, et al books and have been working with amps for a while, however I'd really like to have at least some interactive instructional experience, even if only for a few sessions.

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2019, 08:49:46 pm »
Checkout the NEETS book for great pictorials.  Also instructional videos on youtube.  E.g. Gerald Weber.

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2019, 12:18:03 pm »
Checkout the NEETS book for great pictorials.  Also instructional videos on youtube.  E.g. Gerald Weber.


Thanks! Are these the tutorials you're referring to?

https://www.fcctests.com/neets/Neets.htm


Yes - have watched many, many hours of youtube videos and they are very helpful.

If there is someone available for hire in the area, I'm still interested, however I do very much appreciate these tips. - thanks!

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2019, 12:35:22 pm »
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PM me and maybe...
I'm 150miles away on the other side of Lake Michigan.
I'm NOT an engineer, but I played one for 33yrs  :icon_biggrin:
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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2019, 12:46:13 pm »

Yes, especially NEETS Module 4, Introduction to Electrical Conductors, Wiring Techniques, and Schematic Reading, presents
conductor usage, insulation used as wire covering, splicing, termination of wiring, soldering, and reading
electrical wiring diagrams.


What specifically do you feel you need help with?

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2019, 07:58:37 pm »

What specifically do you feel you need help with?

I'm reluctant to admit the simplicity of some things I don't fully understand - one thing is that I seem to have difficulty translating between schematics and actual layouts on turret boards. For example, I wanted to try the "Paul C" mod in a 5E3 chassis I have. Seemed very simple - remove the 1.5k cathode resistor, take the 1M resistor to ground, and run a 2.2M resistor from the grid to the B+. So I do it, then - Boom! There goes the 25µF cathode cap.

Then there are practical things like figuring out the max current on an anonymous power supply, or the or determining the impedance of a random output transformer. Or stuff that you can't really get from a datasheet, like, how far can you really exceed various max ratings for this or that without causing a disaster?

These are just examples. I've actually been very pleased with the results I've had as far as far as coming up with variations on well-known themes, partly from sifting thru endless threads by searching things like "EL34 screen resistor compression", et al, and also things like applying some basic load line theory to getting things sounding the way I like.

However I don't feel like I "really" know what I'm doing yet (I know, I'm sure know one does, but I mean at an elementary level), and things that should be easy are still causing me grief, particularly in translating between schematis and actual chassis layouts.

Frankly, I think you hit the nail on the head with your NEETS suggestion - having skimmed thru some of the sections, it looks like a lot of what the doc ordered. I'd be happy to have a little "live" help if I'm able to find it as well.

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2019, 08:08:46 pm »
Do a google search for "online basic electronics course". Or enroll in one of the many basic electronic courses that should be available in Chicago. Gotta learn to walk before you run.
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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2019, 08:35:13 pm »
Basic electronics is fine for the R's and C's, but you will quickly realize that vacuum tube electronics hasn't been taught since the 1950's (60's?). Browse through a copy of an RCA Receiving Tube Manual and see what you can learn...

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2019, 08:39:29 pm »
ulu, sluckey has it right.  Too many things at once, of different "paygrade" levels.  Everyone at first struggles with schematic vs. layout.  That tends to indicate that it's too early to delve into the specs of random transformers.


Post the layout & the schematic of your 5E3 over your bench, with the amp chassis open on the bench.  Map out the amp step by step, by sections. 


Find the filament wires in the amp, starting from the PT.  Highlight them in green on the layout as you find them. (They're not on the schematic, but everything else is.)


Find the HT supply in the amp, starting from the PT.  Highlight in red on the layout & on the schematic as you find it in the amp.


Do likewise for the signal chain, starting at the input jack, maybe highlight in yellow.


This exercise should help.




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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2019, 08:45:02 pm »
This is where I started. I think this is an excellent document to work through. Then you can graduate to other things like the RCA manual or something like this.

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2019, 08:48:31 pm »
Do a google search for "online basic electronics course". Or enroll in one of the many basic electronic courses that should be available in Chicago. Gotta learn to walk before you run.

Thanks - that's exactly right. I was the same way with guitar, re running first - but with that I could experiment 5-7 hours a day and never worry about electrocuting myself!

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2019, 08:53:34 pm »
This is where I started. I think this is an excellent document to work through. Then you can graduate to other things like the RCA manual or something like this.

Thanks - I just downloaded a few annuals of the RCA manual recently and the AX84 paper sums up a lot of stuff nicely in a useable way.

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2019, 08:56:16 pm »
 jjasilli - That looks like a very worthwhile exercise - thank you

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2019, 09:56:35 pm »
> practical things like figuring out the max current on an anonymous power supply

I have this engine. How much power can it make?

For example: I have a 5 pound engine in the shed. George has a 200 pound engine in his yard. Jimmy has a 600 pound engine in his garage. Which makes more power?

Probably the heaviest, but there can be exceptions. Jimmy's engine is a Chevy 454, which can be hotrodded over 500HP, but was often sold in heavy trucks detuned to 200HP. George's smaller engine could be one of the modern turbo-Fours which are claiming 250-300HP.

Testing engines is possible but needs heavy test gear. Use a monster brake, water-turbine, or generator, with enough load and cooling to throw-off the horsepower made, and torque and RPM metering. Electric power in home-scale devices is easier because it is just BIG resistors and normal metering. Except any transformer can make 5X power for a few minutes before smoking. You can start light, let it run an hour, see how hot it gets, and eventually get it "awful hot"; that's your answer.

No no: it's not a single skill-set but a whole heap of tips and tricks. I'm good at some things, ignorant at others (also way far from Chicago and not up to visitors this summer). You may not find a single tutor. Forums are good resources. Most of us remember that nobody is born knowing it all, and no question is "stupid", just educable. You do need some BS detection skill, because anybody can spout-off on a forum.

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2019, 09:57:34 am »
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and never worry about electrocuting myself!
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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2019, 12:20:33 pm »
When I was looking for answers and trying to fill in some blanks I found this and watched it 10 times or more at my own pace. There were a few ah-ha moments and a couple sections where I would slow it down and rewatch until it sunk in. This video helped me more than anything to move from completely clueless to informed moron. At the time, it was exactly what I needed.
http://www.kendrick-amplifiers.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=KOS&Product_Code=05-dvd2&Category_Code=054

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2019, 01:45:29 pm »
Silvergun - I actually have that! I bought it years ago after a "false start" at it. Now I don't have a DVD player on my laptop! But now that I think of it I can pull my old desktop out and pop it in - I know I have the disc somewhere!

Shooter - Lol! I guess I'm looking for someone to kick my a** like that! I'll start by subjecting myself to intense self-discipline.

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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2019, 02:08:47 pm »
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that my friend is the "answer" to life! NOT 42 as some author suggests  :icon_biggrin:
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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2019, 08:17:21 pm »
When I was looking for answers and trying to fill in some blanks I found this and watched it 10 times or more at my own pace. There were a few ah-ha moments and a couple sections where I would slow it down and rewatch until it sunk in. This video helped me more than anything to move from completely clueless to informed moron. At the time, it was exactly what I needed.
http://www.kendrick-amplifiers.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=KOS&Product_Code=05-dvd2&Category_Code=054

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2019, 05:57:21 pm »
When I was looking for answers and trying to fill in some blanks I found this and watched it 10 times or more at my own pace. There were a few ah-ha moments and a couple sections where I would slow it down and rewatch until it sunk in. This video helped me more than anything to move from completely clueless to informed moron. At the time, it was exactly what I needed.

 :l2: I have this one too!  However, I am still hovering just slightly above the completely clueless!  It is VERY good and I completely forgot about this one.  Nice call.

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That's not what Curly said..... :icon_biggrin:

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2019, 07:30:28 pm »

I have this one too!  However, I am still hovering just slightly above the completely clueless!  It is VERY good and I completely forgot about this one.  Nice call.


Just pulled it out of storage and watched the entire video. Nice review of a lot of topics, and he explained some things in a way that made much more intuitive sense, particularly phase inversion variants. I remember him getting criticism here and there for saying inaccurate things - there were a few moments I wasn't sure about, for example the idea that asymmetrical clipping sounds bad - however overall it was a great watch for someone like me.

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2019, 11:42:09 am »
I do have a specific question if someone can help with this - I have an old power transformer that measures about 800V. I don't know the max plate current for this, and I don't know the current ratings for the 6.3V and 5V leads either. I measured about 100Ω across the 800V leads - I don't know if this means anything. Is there a way for me to calculate the the current capacity of each of these secondaries?

I wasn't able to find any info by googling 5-7564, 7564, or 57564. I found a Reverb listing for an old Triad unit with a ridiculous price tag on it that had similar looking numbering, but I didn't find anything like 5-7564 in old Triad catalogs. I want to use the PT to power a pair of EL34's and 2-3 12AX7's.

It's kind of making me insane - there HAS to be a youtube video or something that covers like this, but I can't find it! - hence my initial question in this thread.  Help!  :icon_biggrin:

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2019, 11:54:53 am »
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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2019, 12:00:37 pm »
I do have a specific question if someone can help with this - I have an old power transformer that measures about 800V. I don't know the max plate current for this, and I don't know the current ratings for the 6.3V and 5V leads either. I measured about 100Ω across the 800V leads - I don't know if this means anything. Is there a way for me to calculate the the current capacity of each of these secondaries?
I don't have an answer. If you find one please share it with us.


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I suspect that if you try to build such an amp there will be many more questions.


Sometimes an unknown transformer is just a boat anchor. No shame in accepting that.
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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2019, 12:31:19 pm »
I don't have an answer. If you find one please share it with us.

I suspect that if you try to build such an amp there will be many more questions.

Sometimes an unknown transformer is just a boat anchor. No shame in accepting that.

Fair enough! Maybe that's why I was pulling my hair out trying to find a solution. I was just trying to use it for a new version of a 5E3-ish circuit I built a while back that used EL34's with Allen TP40D and TO26. I can always just order new units and use this PT to rebuild the original amp it came from, which used a pair of 6L6's.

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2019, 12:41:09 pm »
and use this PT to rebuild the original amp it came from, which used a pair of 6L6's.
Well that's a giant clue that you forgot to mention! Since you know the origins of that PT you should be able to get a very good idea of it's capabilities just by examining the schematic. Post it here and we can help if you have questions. You may never know the manufacturer's stated ratings but you can tell if it will support the new schematic you have in mind. It's a really good idea to tag any transformer with all the info you have on it for future reference.





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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2019, 12:59:26 pm »
Though "self taught" (I do heavily rely on the kindness of strangers, especially on this Forum), I somehow got schooled with the rule that 600V is a cut-off point.  (Maybe a Peter Bench article.) A barrier to a heightened situation of danger.  800V is over the line; it's for experienced techs only, who have justified confidence.


This explains why ulu is concerned with electrocution.  The concern is more than justified.  IOW, don't do it.  Don't mess with with 800V (at this stage of electronics experience). 

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« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2019, 01:02:02 pm »

Well that's a giant clue that you forgot to mention! Since you know the origins of that PT you should be able to get a very good idea of it's capabilities just by examining the schematic. Post it here and we can help if you have questions. You may never know the manufacturer's stated ratings but you can tell if it will support the new schematic you have in mind. It's a really good idea to tag any transformer with all the info you have on it for future reference.

Right! The kicker is that the schematic doesn't exist - it's an old film projector amp and there's no info anywhere on it.

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« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2019, 01:06:55 pm »

IOW, don't do it.  Don't mess with with 800V (at this stage of electronics experience).



Makes sense - who is Peter Bench, btw?

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« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2019, 01:11:16 pm »
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So how were you gonna rebuild that amp? And why? There are still plenty of clues in the chassis to tell you what that PT can do. Write down all the tubes. Hit the tube charts and add up all the tube filament requirements. If you can't figure that out then put it on eBay or toss it in the lake.   :icon_biggrin: 
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« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2019, 01:39:36 pm »
Peter Bench is an electronics guy, though I don't see him on a quick google search.  Anyway, I think I meant Peter Millet:  http://www.pmillett.com/


Here's his piece on a 1000V tube amp:  http://www.pmillett.com/813_se_triode_amps.htm

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« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2019, 01:57:09 pm »
Sluckey - I wanted to run a pair of EL34's instead of the 6L6's from the original circuit, and I didn't know if the PT could handle the additional heater current draw. I can always just stick with a pair of 6L6's - I didn't mean literally rebuild the same circuit, just use the orig tube complement.

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« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2019, 02:35:34 pm »
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Absolutely a GOOD rule.  Dust becomes a great conductor, arc's jump further, death becomes an every time reality.  Most of us here that have worked on big volts for a living got this far because we ALWAYS stayed focused, A game only, and many years in the game.
no different than taking a track car out for a 150mph run with 50 other cars inches apart, hanging from 9mm rope 400ft off the deck, doing a HALO jump n on n on n......

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« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2019, 02:58:24 pm »
+1. The Major has about 630 on the plates. Marshall found out early that with very little flyback voltages from the UL design it actually deteriorated wire insulation and would arc across wiring. They added another layer of insulation all the way from connection to connection. In worst cases it would still arc across tube sockets - smoke on the water. I drain and check and recheck when working on it and one hand in pocket when setting bias. Scary - at least for me.  I know Ham Radio guys who service big tube linears that almost take arc flash protection protocol measures. Not to be taken lightly.


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« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2019, 03:03:37 pm »
+1. The Major has about 630 on the plates. Marshall found out early that with very little flyback voltages from the UL design it actually deteriorated wire insulation and would arc across wiring. They added another layer of insulation all the way from connection to connection. In worst cases it would still arc across tube sockets - smoke on the water. I drain and check and recheck when working on it and one hand in pocket when setting bias. Scary - at least for me.  I know Ham Radio guys who service big tube linears that almost take arc flash protection protocol measures. Not to be taken lightly.

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« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2019, 03:15:05 pm »
No but I do have this funny nervous twitch that will not go away...

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« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2019, 03:29:34 pm »
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I got poked real bad ONCE, came-to with turrets' (sp?) lasted about an hr while the ER Doc proclaimed me alive n well-ish  :cussing:

UL, Here's your EASY do I have what it takes test;
the NEET course, we referred to it as Culling class, quite simple, 12 modules, 12 weeks SELF taught, no internet, just a tech library so you have it easy  :icon_biggrin: .  You pass all 12 in 12 weeks, you get the privilege to START on your road to government trained electronics, otherwise you became day labor  :icon_biggrin:
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« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2019, 03:29:52 pm »

Absolutely a GOOD rule.  Dust becomes a great conductor, arc's jump further, death becomes an every time reality.  Most of us here that have worked on big volts for a living got this far because we ALWAYS stayed focused, A game only, and many years in the game.
no different than taking a track car out for a 150mph run with 50 other cars inches apart, hanging from 9mm rope 400ft off the deck, doing a HALO jump n on n on n......

bottom line, only you and your experience will keep you ALIVE

I'm definitely not immune to error!

Just to make sure - I was talking about 400V-0-400V, which would only be a little more than a Heyboer MOJO756 used in a 5E3 at 385V-0-385V. Wouldn't the max plate current affect the hazard threshold? For example, wouldn't a Hammond 272JX with 600V C.T. at 287mA be more treacherous than a 272BX with 600 C.T. at 115mA?

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« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2019, 03:31:05 pm »
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I got poked real bad ONCE, came-to with turrets' (sp?) lasted about an hr while the ER Doc proclaimed me alive n well-ish  :cussing:

UL, Here's your EASY do I have what it takes test;
the NEET course, we referred to it as Culling class, quite simple, 12 modules, 12 weeks SELF taught, no internet, just a tech library so you have it easy  :icon_biggrin: .  You pass all 12 in 12 weeks, you get the privilege to START on your road to government trained electronics, otherwise you became day labor  :icon_biggrin:
the fail rate in my day 60%

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« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2019, 04:27:35 pm »
FWIW, the first amp I made, which was a 5E3 with lots of mods - thanks to Rob Robinette's website for 70% of them - was designed with the help of an MIT PhD engineer relative of mine, who alas lives 1,000 miles from me - the flights get expensive!  So at least with that amp I had "adult supervision".

I always wanted to design amps, however given the ROD (risk of death) I was always hesitant. A few years back my cousin mentioned some INSANELY awesome innovations he was working on for hi-fi tube amps and asked if he could borrow the set of TUT books I had (I told him about them earlier - they were ultimately of no use/interest to him). Anyway, I was thrilled with his ideas and we got together in Boston to talk about maybe seeing if there was a way to bring his technology to the market. I was very enthusiastic about implementing the technology into instrument amps, although his aim was at the ridiculous $ tube hi-fi market.

Long story short, he has lots keeping himself busy in the engineering world, and selling tube hi-fi amps isn't exactly a high priority business interest for him. Meanwhile I was chomping at the bit to rock n roll all nite and party e-ver-y day with it, so I proposed building a 5E3 and having him help me mod the hell out of it while he was working at leisure on his developments - so that's what we did. We ended up getting a pair of Allen TP40D and TO26 transformers to make it a little more exciting, and installed the chassis in an oversized 18-1/2"x22" cabinet - like a 5F4 but with a 5E3 chassis gap - and used a Celestion Gold in it.

I sold it to a guitarist friend of mine in LA who flipped over it - as did a number of his working musician friends - and he asked me to make him another one. I just found an empty 90's Kendrick cabinet with the same 5E3 chassis gap, although this time with 20"x22" dimensions, so I'm using it for that, and at the same time I have this 50's PT I'd like to use for something else.

I'd really like to achieve a high level of expertise - if I were younger I'd get an engineering degree.

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« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2019, 05:04:52 pm »
Btw - this is the amp I made for my friend in L.A.

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« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2019, 05:38:52 pm »
keep at it, I prefer the try and observe method with just enough math/science to not make an instant IED when I throw the switch  :icon_biggrin:
I did go back to get my EE at 28, the syllabus was 2 yrs of lit, African studies and English  :think1:  When I asked about the EE part, "oh, you have enough electronics, you just need the rest for your degree"  :BangHead:
I took up rock climbing n never looked back  :icon_biggrin:
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« Reply #42 on: July 24, 2019, 09:03:03 pm »
...determining the impedance of a random output transformer.
I can help with this one.

All you need is a DMM that can measure AC, and a source of low-voltage AC with a frequency within the range of the output transformer. An audio signal generator set to, say, 500 Hz is ideal, but if you don't have one, you can, in a pinch, use a 6.3V AC heater winding as your AC source. (This might be a little inaccurate because cheap guitar OTs may not work properly at 60 Hz, but it will at least get you close.)

If you pulled the OT out of a piece of equipment, you already know which wires connect to the primary winding, and which ones to the secondary. If you got the OT sight unseen, set your DMM to measure resistance, and measure away. The secondary winding will have a very low DC resistance (probably well under one ohm). The primary winding will have much higher resistance, typically many tens of ohms, maybe some hundreds of ohms if it's a small and cheap OT. If there's a centre-tap on the primary, you can identify it because you'll get (very) roughly half the resistance between this point and each of the two ends of the primary winding. (Usually the transformer manufacturer is also kind enough to physically position the centre-tap in between the other two wires, but this isn't guaranteed.)

With the primary and secondary identified, connect an 8 ohm resistor across the secondary winding. (Use 16 ohms if you know for sure this transformer was designed for 16 ohms, and 4 ohms if you know for sure it's a 4 ohm transformer.) The resistor doesn't have to be exact - if you can't find 8 ohms, use 8.2 ohms. Similarly, you can use 3.9 ohms instead of 4, or 15 instead of 16. The resistor also won't have any significant power delivered to it, so you can safely use a quarter-watt or half-watt one.

Now connect your AC signal to the primary of the output transformer (not the secondary: this will cause dangerously high voltages to appear at the primary, which we do NOT want.) Use your DMM to measure the voltage across the primary, and across the secondary. Write down both voltages. That's it, you're done. All we need to do now is a little basic math, using the two voltages you just measured.

As an example, let's say your DMM measured 6.252 volts AC across the primary, and 198 mV (same as 0.198V) across the secondary.

Calculate the voltage ratio, which is the same as the winding ratio (number of turns in the primary winding / number of turns in the secondary winding) inside the transformer. In our example, the voltage ratio is (6.252/0.198), which calculates to 31.6. (I've rounded to 3 digits, because we only have 3 good digits in our secondary voltage measurement of 198 mV.)

Transformer theory says that the impedance ratio is the square of the voltage ratio. So let's square 31.6, which gives us 998.56, which rounds to 999 (rounding to three digits again.)

This means that if you had a 1-ohm speaker, the transformer primary impedance would be 999 ohms. If you had a 2 ohm speaker, the transformer primary impedance would be 2 x 999, or 1998 ohms (basically, 2 kilo ohms.) Obviously, if you had an 8 ohm speaker, the transformer primary impedance would be 8 x 999, or 7992 ohms...what you've got is an 8 kilo ohm OT primary.

And there you are, you've just magically figured out your OT primary impedance! Congratulations! :smiley:

-Gnobuddy

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2019, 09:12:36 pm »
Thanks!

I also read a thread somewhere in the last few days explaining how to estimate the current capacity of the main secondary winding of a PT, however I'll have to review it again.

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2019, 04:57:30 pm »
Regarding an earlier entry where I mentioned a mishap with the Paul C mod - attached is a Hoffman schematic + layout with the Paul C mod added to it, along with a schematic of the mod I pulled off the internet somewhere. For anyone in this thread, does the layout I entered appear to be the legitimate way to wire it up?

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« Reply #45 on: August 03, 2019, 05:45:13 pm »
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does the layout I entered appear to be the legitimate way to wire it up?
Yes. And here's a slight redo that you may like...
A schematic, layout, and hi-rez pics are very useful for troubleshooting your amp. Don't wait to be asked. JUST DO IT!

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« Reply #46 on: August 03, 2019, 10:26:48 pm »
Yes. And here's a slight redo that you may like...

That's the same thing, just more efficiently laid out, right? Looks a lot cleaner.

I read a thread earlier today somewhere in which a variation attributed to Tubeswell was mentioned, whereby the 2M2 is swapped for a 4M7. Would that make the grid less negative relative to the cathode, increasing signal gain?

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« Reply #47 on: August 03, 2019, 10:38:13 pm »
The gain of a cathodyne PI is always less than 1.

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #48 on: August 04, 2019, 12:44:36 am »
> I read a thread earlier today somewhere in which a variation attributed to Tubeswell was mentioned, whereby the 2M2 is swapped for a 4M7. Would that make the grid less negative relative to the cathode, increasing signal gain?

Just try it. A 5Meg resistor is not a big investment.

You might learn something.

For small signals there will be No Change. (Sluckey knows his chit.)

The 4.7Meg+1Meg will more-closely replicate the way Fender biased it. Which is NOT wrong. I don't see any point in this "Mod". Especially if you are pulling random values out of your sock.

It is not wrong because the 6V6 does NOT need a STRONG driver. (That was its original claim to fame: less drive needed than 6F6, much less than any power triode.)

_IF_ you had a hard drive job, the cathodyne needs optimization, but there are unintuitive tradeoffs here. For a perfect device with no load, the grid would want to be at 1/4 of supply. A tube can't pull to zero ohms. And we do have a load. For reasonable choice of tube and load, "1/4" is usually in the ballpark. Which suggests 3Meg+1Meg.

Took a while to get my sim to stop lying. (I forgot a SPICE voltage source has infinite power and the stage before a cathodyne never does.) I had to raise the signal far beyond what any 6V6 even 6L6 can eat. Then mis-bias on the cathodyne shows different distortion for different mis-bias. Best results are the fatter blue lines, which come from a 3Meg+1Meg bias.

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Re: Tutoring in Chicago
« Reply #49 on: August 04, 2019, 02:44:25 pm »

Just try it. A 5Meg resistor is not a big investment.

Thanks - I'm fine with trial+error tweaking, however I'm in the middle of a new build at the moment so I have to wait until it's all wired in. More than the actual sonic result, I was assessing the accuracy of my interpretation - i.e. that increasing the resistance would strengthen the signal hitting the grid. Thanks for uploading that SPICE graphic - that helps to interpret the effect in application. - also reminds me to get off my a** and get better with SPICE.

 


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