tuners question

[shooter]

the need for a quality tuner.

That's definitely next, my software ones are way to wonky and sketchy.
besides 60 120 or 440hz, I just know, yup, that's higher, nope that's lower 

my real intent is to have a good piece of "test equipment", that I can also enjoy making happy sounds with!

might as well add a strap also, been using my Winchester 3030 strap and ty-wraps 

[jjasilli]

You can have both!  https://www.amazon.com/HellsBelts-Regulator-Bullet-Guitar-Strap/dp/B00THS2VGW

[shooter]

 

I know a leather craftsman 

put a tuner and strap on order, should be in about the same as a Champ kit 

[SILVERGUN]

You can have both!  https://www.amazon.com/HellsBelts-Regulator-Bullet-Guitar-Strap/dp/B00THS2VGW

My  rhythm guitar player showed up with one of these years ago and earned a new nickname, Bandito.

I think the runner up was Rambo. 

[shooter]

1/2 " OSB hasn't changed price much since I did the house roof ~ 15yrs ago, for some reason they decided to double the weight 
always good to have a tow-motor handy 

got my strap and promptly put in on inside out, what a newb
tuner on Back order

[shooter]

almost done with roof;

parts have been showing up, the knobs were Non-invasive, I think they made me play better    No tuner yet, so maybe not 

[jjasilli]

Blundered into this tuner replacement video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AumBJ2azMVc

[shooter]

 

Thanks, had old browser so no sound, when there used to be 
i'll view it with proper net authorized....
I have a friend has "that" guitar 335 from early '60s, I keep trying to get him to break it out and play, even offered to bring amp AND speakers, probably hasn't played in >10yrs 

almost done with life, itching to tear it down, one more time!
I looked, no hits for gauge blocks and guitars, didn't know if they were used, did oogle too long on starretts page, I'm not even a metal guy 

[shooter]

8 days in the sun laboring, finally a rain day+

got the rough cut made for the neck pickup.
Newbie mistake ordering my cover plates, they stick above grade, I was wanting mostly below grade plates, ah well, next guitar 

need a micro switch anyway, so another webventure

[shooter]

between tree falls n power outs managed some barn work 
searched my contact cement, 3 cans, all too sketchy, pitched, heading to Lowes in the morn

[SILVERGUN]

need a micro switch anyway, so another webventure

Let me know if you need anything before you go paying shipping for 1 piece of anything. I cleaned out a closing Radio Shack and the postal person comes to my shop every day. 

[shooter]

Thanks SG, I messed up on my plates so I need those, and there will be something cool I didn't know about and.....

played in the Sun, did get some barn time in, glued up, roughed in,  Time for the attention to detail part 

[shooter]

attention to detail

didn't change bit after drilling switch hole, so I got a big screw hole 
fixed before I went on 

pickup holes just roughed til I get new plates, let the oils soak in for a day while I cap the garage roof

[SILVERGUN]

pickup holes just roughed til I get new plates

plates?
We failed to tell you that it is usually either pickguard OR pickup rings.

I mean, this is custom, so anything goes, buttttt.........

[shooter]

I think I have "guard" ?  the problem it "stands above" the pickguard by ~ 1/4".  I'm hoping for something "lower profile" so distance to strings stays about the same.  (in newbie speak :)

[SILVERGUN]

Running the risk of sounding repetitive for the sake of clarity:
When we use a pickguard (which is that beatiful piece of wood you have created), we dont normally use the trim ring because it is not needed.
If you look back at tubenits guitar, he uses a "trim ring" in that bridge position because he doesnt have a pickguard there. It is rare that a trim ring is used over a pickguard, but in his neck pickup position it looks good.
I assume he did that to match the look of both pickups.
In your case the trim ring is not necessary, especially if its getting in your way.

[shooter]

Ahhh, the light came on 
In my case, it's needed, since I'm just a rough-in carpenter 

I just found some pricey metal, 1/16" "tall", which is ~~~~about how much the pickups stuck above the pickguard.
also picked up the tremolo bar that was missing, now i'll have dueling trem, since my amp has the Trem-o-lator 

back to roofing 

thanks SG for pointing me North 

[shooter]

still sandin n clear coatin;

only had brush-on PolyCrylic, used it many times, this time it's fighting.  changed brushes, some help.

my "working title" for this one, "lipstick", the Genesis came from a Former Doc, he'd say "it's just lipstick on a Pig" 

[jjasilli]

Ahhh, the light came on 
In my case, it's [trim ring] needed, since I'm just a rough-in carpenter 

Yes, we all are.  The solution is to clean up the edge with a router and template.  If desired, a chamfer bit can be used on the pickguard's outer edge to make a bevel.  The template will have cutouts for the PU holes to clean up those cuts too.  Or, a separate template could be used to rout the edges of the PU holes.  It's a lot of work to make a template for just one pickguard; but templates & jigs are at the heart of luthier work.  Lots of how-to video's on YouTube.

[shooter]

are at the heart of luthier work.

 

I'll be happy if it still works when I'm done!
It was non functional and "ugly" enough that it bothered me enough to do something

[SILVERGUN]

"it's just lipstick on a Pig" 

I was gonna call it unique until I remembered seeing trim rings over a strat pickguard somewhere else before.
This is the Dave Murray signature, selling for over $2Gs
So yours is worth at least that. Just put your signature on the headstock and let the bidding begin.

[shooter]

So yours is worth at least that

 

does look similar, My kid as a teen collected Ball cards, got one that listed in the mags for $50, told him all he had to do was find someone that was willing to pay, otherwise keep working the Taco Bell 

[shooter]

I got sidetracked, still side tracked!  started the fit, somebodies rulers off 

do the pickups want to "float" on the screw/spring?
I'm binding on the circle n square hole thing, plus the screws are ~ 1mm to far "in".
need to get the "next" /32nd
had to take out a cherry, gave away the wood but kept this piece, If this sport was fun I might try a body 

[jjasilli]

do the pickups want to "float" on the screw/spring?
In this type of setup, the PU's are supposed to float.  The side screws adjust the height of the body of the PU.  The goal is to get the pole pieces to be the "right height" below the strings -- not too far or you lose signal; not too close or the magnets restrict string vibration; or the fretted or plucked strings slap the PU.  I think about 2mm below the outer strings is a good starting place -- fretted at the highest fret.  Also, the strings should have balanced volume across one PU; and across all the PU's.  This too is accomplished with the side adjust screws.  (This can be further fine tuned if the PU has adjustable pole pieces.)  It's a somewhat time consuming & painstaking job to get 3 PU's in balance.

However, on my Gibson L6s, the PU's would not behave when raised by the side screws to float at their proper heights.  They would twist fore and aft. So I put foam padding under them to keep them in place.  This padding technique is mostly used when there are no spring-mounted side-adjust screws.  This method is a bit of a PIA, because it takes trial & error to get right the proper thickness of the foam padding.

[shooter]

Thanks JJ
figured the springs did something 
before I started I measured the PU's height at ~  1mm above pickguard, with the added 1/16 wood, I'll probably start flush.

managed to make up a 1/4" to BNC so I can scope it, initial "looks" before were complex   
doing a 1/4" to banana next to just plug into the fluke and see if I can "find a standard" for me.

[Ed_Chambley]

The intonation tuning error due to string stretching is (T2+(T (2 yi/s))2)1/2-T,

it ain't rocket science

ya, right!
 

The actual mass of the string will always sharpen harmonics, but you don't really want a perfectly intonated guitar. I like mine out so it sounds like there are more folks playing.

[shooter]

 


I might feel somewhat self-conscience if there's more folk playing     



I just got my 4th outta stock notice for a tuner i ordered in April!!


it's now cold enough, I might actually get the guitar put back together!!, except my "practice" drone is supposed to be here today

[shooter]

It's cold out so after 6+ months playing outside I came in and finished!!


I'll probably NOT take up guitar fixin 
was fun, still plays, looks better than original IMHO


thanks for all the moral support


dave

[Ed_Chambley]

You can have both!  https://www.amazon.com/HellsBelts-Regulator-Bullet-Guitar-Strap/dp/B00THS2VGW

My  rhythm guitar player showed up with one of these years ago and earned a new nickname, Bandito.

I think the runner up was Rambo. 

Oh man, your band pays a Rhythm Guitar Player who is a Mexican Outlaw?


Please tell me he is good enough where if you see a hippie chic you can stop playing long enough to tell her to come up on stage with you and while you are stopped playing he can carry the song.


I can see it now.  SuperDave sees that long hair, thin sundress and she is a spinning and her ass is wiggling too.  No drawers or bras anywhere, and she doesn't need them.


Just about the time you get her warmed up and treat her like a celebrity, she is ready to share her shrooms and wiggle into the night.  And just like a Rhythm player, Bandito comes over and says "How you doin," and SuperDave is left with the knowledge that no one but musicians give a crap about your "lead" work!


It pisses Superdave off and he uses one of those bullets to shoot Bandito and SuperDave ends up getting laid at Albion Correctional Institution!


Moral to the story, SuperDave should have grabbed an Acoustic, ate shrooms with her and play and sing (She won't know it, so you can say you wrote it for her) Joe Cocker's "You are so Beautiful"!, let her borrow one of you hats and play "You can leave you hat on."


Now, isn't that much better than being held down in the Shower?

[Ed_Chambley]

It's cold out so after 6+ months playing outside I came in and finished!!


I'll probably NOT take up guitar fixin 
was fun, still plays, looks better than original IMHO


thanks for all the moral support


dave

I have been building more guitars then guitar amps in the last 2 years.  At one time I had ONLY 3 Guitars. Good Flat Top, 69 Les Paul and a 59 Telecaster.  Then everyone from Willibe who was much nicer about it, and to rest of the Strat Freaks here kept on until I bought 4 of the things.


Here is what I have to do to a Strat.  My opinion, Vintage Tuners suck!  String trees suck and make over the nut bends on e and B come back out of tune unless you push the wang bar back to stretch the string back.  Hipshot locking Staggered tuners 21:1 ratio, well they are not vintage.  Also if they say it is vintage, it is not.  Noisless PUPS go because THEY ARE NOT SINGLS COILS NOR DO THEY SOUND LIKE THEM."  Then reroute the neck pocket because more times than not the route has changed.  Some just shim the neck, some use popsicle sticks and the real idiotic deep thinkers use a piece of screen to stop the neck from wiggling.


If the neck doesn't fit correctly, fix neck pocket.  Be very careful tho, if you route too much a 22 fret neck can't clear a 3 ply pick guard!  Then I have to cut a new custom pick guard.  Sorry, but the volume knob gets shifted down 1/2 inch.  Finally, after a good long wait the Pickups arrive from Don Mare.  Oh yea, almost forgot.  You really need to bend the patch plug in the chrome up a little to accommodate the larger diameter of the newer patch cords.


Then get some real knobs, not plastic and install one of my fabricated trim locks.


And you always need one tuned a half step down because as you know Hendrix and SRV share responsibilities of overseeing the universe.


I digress all the time.  ADHD!


Anyway Shooter, I did remember.  You should remove all the hardware on a guitar and make it a painting.  Your painting!

[shooter]

 


 


 


that thing about getting the pickgaurd under the neck, DID suck
plastic knobs at 3 beers and 12' doesn't bother me, the cheap neck PUP DOES!
that 1/2" shift on Vol woulda came in handy 6 months ago, to late now, but the nice thing, when I get aggressive n bump it, I just get louder 

[Ed_Chambley]

 


 


that thing about getting the pickgaurd under the neck, DID suck
plastic knobs at 3 beers and 12' doesn't bother me, the cheap neck PUP DOES!
that 1/2" shift on Vol woulda came in handy 6 months ago, to late now, but the nice thing, when I get aggressive n bump it, I just get louder 

If the volume is a problem, remove the knob and cut some foam rubber to put under the knob and over the pots post.  This will stop accidental rotation.


Ok, now I am truly farting dust, but the old guys know this stuff.

[shooter]

I've done lots of "hobbies" in my life, guitarist is one of the fails, wood carving is another.


I'll still plug in and play, because there IS something about making musical noise, that beats the hell outta listening to the noise of society