Welcome To the Hoffman Amplifiers Forum

September 06, 2025, 01:06:07 pm
guest image
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
-User Name
-Password



Hoffman Amps Forum image Author Topic: Phono Amp has one tube using different voltage heater winding - what/why?  (Read 1859 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Fraggy0117

  • Level 1
  • *
  • Posts: 21
  • I love Tube amps
I've got a Knight 94SX700 amplifier that I'm planning on converting to guitar. I snagged the schematic and while looking through I noticed something interesting was going on with the heater circuit.



To me, it looks like all tubes except v1 is connected conventionally to a 6.3v supply. However, v1 is connected to a second 10.6v secondary and it's connected in series (I think), but still AC.



My question is; am I correct in my analysis above, and then why would they do that? Just to try and decrease any noise from v1?

Thank you!

(I attached the images incase the inline doesn't work)

Offline PRR

  • Level 5
  • *******
  • Posts: 17082
  • Maine USA
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Phono Amp has one tube using different voltage heater winding - what/why?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2022, 11:38:16 pm »
There is a long-time belief that running a preamp tube 10% or 20% below full rated voltage will lower the hiss. Maybe particularly 1/f random rumble. I'm not sure I know if this is 10-something or 5-something, the pin numbers blurr my eyes and SAMS is known for typos. But yeah, they probably ran V1 on the cool side.

The separate humdingers is interesting, and makes sense, though maybe less so with 12V-10V heat.

Offline kagliostro

  • Level 5
  • *******
  • Posts: 7739
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Phono Amp has one tube using different voltage heater winding - what/why?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2022, 03:15:24 am »
look to this old Geloso Recorder schematic



as you can see there is a 4R resistor on the Heater of input tube, reduced voltage = reduced humm

read Sluckey posts here

https://el34world.com/Forum/index.php?topic=17100.msg170616#msg170616

Franco

The world is a nice place if there is health and there are friends

Offline pdf64

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2965
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Phono Amp has one tube using different voltage heater winding - what/why?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2022, 03:41:05 am »
The Knight 94SX700 schematic seems to show a 5V heater winding connected across pins 4&5 of V1!
Whereas its parts list notes the extra winding as being 10V, which makes a lot more sense.
I think that series connected, AC powered heaters may not be good for an input stage?
https://www.justgiving.com/page/5-in-5-for-charlie This is my step son and his family. He is running 5 marathons in 5 days to support the research into STXBP1, the genetic condition my grandson Charlie has. Please consider supporting him! BBC News feature  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm26llp

Offline PRR

  • Level 5
  • *******
  • Posts: 17082
  • Maine USA
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Phono Amp has one tube using different voltage heater winding - what/why?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2022, 11:19:46 am »
The Knight 94SX700  ....  .....  series connected, AC powered heaters may not be good for an input stage?

Maybe, but DC heaters sure had no business in a mid-price 1957 amplifier. The only DC heat from those years I recall in home hi-fi was working the power valves past 135mA (so more than two 6V6) to heat the preamp. This includes nearly all professional microphone preamps. Oddly compressors often ran DC heat on the gain tube.

 


Choose a link from the
Hoffman Amplifiers parts catalog
Mobile Device
Catalog Link
Yard Sale
Discontinued
Misc. Hardware
What's New Board Building
 Parts
Amp trim
Handles
Lamps
Diodes
Hoffman Turret
 Boards
Channel
Switching
Resistors Fender Eyelet
 Boards
Screws/Nuts
Washers
Jacks/Plugs
Connectors
Misc Eyelet
Boards
Tools
Capacitors Custom Boards
Tubes
Valves
Pots
Knobs
Fuses/Cords Chassis
Tube
Sockets
Switches Wire
Cable


Handy Links
Tube Amp Library
Tube Amp
Schematics library
Design a custom Eyelet or
Turret Board
DIY Layout Creator
File analyzer program
DIY Layout Creator
File library
Transformer Wiring
Diagrams
Hoffmanamps
Facebook page
Hoffman Amplifiers
Discount Program