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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #50 on: April 09, 2024, 08:48:05 am »
yeah, it is up against that overhead resistance
If it breaks through, hang on
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #51 on: April 09, 2024, 10:39:29 am »
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Funny how I used to see all the commercials about Gold and telling people to sell their Gold jewelry and other items

My sense is that the commercials always try to get you to buy on a peak!   

So when I hear these on Sirius, I know the fall is just around the corner.

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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #52 on: April 10, 2024, 08:46:31 am »
It's not there yet.
The prices would only fall back to some support level.
Here is a chart going back to 2016.

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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #53 on: April 10, 2024, 08:47:23 am »
And here is the Consumer Price Index : Purchasing Power of the Consumer Dollar

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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #54 on: April 10, 2024, 09:06:55 am »
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it's either laugh or cry, me, I just planted another row of wheat, Read in a BOOK somewhere; a loaf of bread will be worth a days wages  :icon_biggrin:
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #55 on: April 10, 2024, 10:09:07 am »
This always fascinated me

History Shows Price of an Ounce of Gold Equals Price of a Decent Men's Suit

I wonder if it still holds true

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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #56 on: April 10, 2024, 11:37:35 am »
A $5.00 bag of apples is now $6.00, that is inflation because of government money printing.
That is a loss of dollar value and affects us all at the grocery store.  :icon_biggrin:

That's a big part it, printing money. But all that covid money they released into the economy is also a big part of the inflation. Which is part of why their printing so much money. Too much money released too quickly into the economy, not enough product in stock to buy with all that money. Supply and demand, price goes up. All that money in circulation dilutes the value of the dollar.

And when crude oil goes up prices go up on everything. Everything has to be trucked, flown, put on a ship or headed down rail road tracks. Farmers, plant and animal, use fuel to plow, plant, fertilize, harvest, and ship to market. All raw materials taken out of the ground, same thing. All factories, for food, bakeries, anyone building anything, etc., same thing, buy the raw materials, parts, ingredients, it's shipped to them, they build, then ship to the buyer.     

Put those 3 together and we have record inflation.   :BangHead:      :cussing: 
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #57 on: April 10, 2024, 01:14:04 pm »
The money supply is the reason
Rising prices is because of inflation

Here's the IMF definition from their web site



Long-lasting episodes of high inflation are often the result of lax monetary policy.
If the money supply grows too big relative to the size of an economy, the unit value of the currency diminishes.
in other words, its purchasing power falls and prices rise.
This relationship between the money supply and the size of the economy is called the quantity theory of money and is one of the oldest hypotheses in economics


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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #58 on: April 10, 2024, 02:51:05 pm »
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one of the oldest hypotheses in economics
it's all "theory", unlike physics, mathematics where we have "laws", economics is like a continually changing set of variables.


supply/demand is probably the closest we've ever got to a "law" in economics.


and ya, you can get a quality suit for $2,500.   You can save 95% by buying from goodwill or Salvation army.  My "day-job" required jacket, dress pants n tie.  I could buy 5 "outfits" for about $80 in the 90's.  The tie's always came from the Antique stores the Mrs. liked to frequent, 40's French silk ~$10
WIDE 60's colorful for about $5.


I was walking across our parking lot, a guy parked, waiting for a patient calls me over, want's to buy my tie, made $20.   :laugh:
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #59 on: April 10, 2024, 02:57:09 pm »
There's no theory
Inflation is because the government prints money
This increases the money supply and makes the value of each dollar less
More of something = it is worth less

There is one original  mona lisa
If there were 20 trillion of them, how much would they be worth?
It takes more dollars to buy the same thing because they are worth less that they were.
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #60 on: April 10, 2024, 05:16:10 pm »
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Inflation is because the government prints money
This increases the money supply and makes the value of each dollar less.

Well, I don't think that explains the whole story.

Assume a "stable" monetary policy (whatever that means).  Then you have the Houthi's choke off the Red Sea,  large container ships are constrained in the Panama Canal, Russia goes to war in Ukraine (and gets an oil semi-embargo slapped on).     Of course prices are going to rise!

Just wait until China starts a war over Taiwan.  Then you're going to see serious inflation . . .

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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #61 on: April 10, 2024, 05:57:06 pm »
This is probably one of the best, shortest primers on inflation I have read: https://graymirror.substack.com/p/the-inflation-economy
That “inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon” basically holds true.

This thread and some recent market movements has me wanting to exchange some of my federal reserve notes for old fashioned metal.

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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #62 on: April 11, 2024, 04:40:10 am »
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More of something = it is worth less
agreed, supply (side) got flooded (money).  the demand (side) is where the variables keep changing.  add 33 "states" worth of "new" people, Geo-political saber rattlin, product shortages/disruption, it all becomes a complex equation with no solution, yet.


interest is an interesting "variable"  it would assume with "infinite money" interest would be zero, not 10%.  The reason, "fed".  They alone get to define "the math"  Money, value, left to it's own, natural progression would become logical, easy to accept and understand.


so, I agree, it is a Federal Government ALONE that has caused this insane "equation", me and the neighbor are quite happy buying n selling chickens at "prices" that we both find acceptable, Gov isn't in the "pricing", geo-politics doesn't matter, what Billy-Bob pays in his neighborhood, no effect.
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #63 on: April 11, 2024, 10:27:36 am »
My mining stocks are moving up again
I need to keep an eye on them this time  :icon_biggrin:

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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2024, 10:55:27 am »
here's the last 30 day results from "whatever" is doing the driving
does appear Silver is meeting a pretty strong resistance at around $28
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #65 on: April 11, 2024, 11:04:41 am »
Inflation is because the government prints money
This increases the money supply and makes the value of each dollar less
More of something = it is worth less

I agree. And I said that they dilute the dollar when printing money. Supply and demand, too much money in circulation and not enough goods available to buy. 

But printing money is not the single and only reason for inflation.

The government also has borrowed 100's of billions from China. That's where the covid money mostly came from. Yes, their printing money to pay it back, well some of it, but they released those 100's of billions, actually trillions, in a relatively short time, a few years, into the market. They couldn't print it that fast.

And 100's of millions, perhaps billions of that covid money is still just sitting in bank accounts somewhere. State, city governments are sitting on some of it, teachers union are sitting on some of it, etc. So there could still be more inflation to come, or not go down, depending on how much is being held back from the market and how fast it gets released some day?

And when crude goes up, the price of everything goes up, that's inflation too. If the price goes up on something it's price is inflated.

They've been printing money all along, but when these other 2 things were added to the mix at the same time, we got hit with record inflation. Highest it's been in what 60 years?

It seems the elected officials don't care about inflation because they have enough money to be effectively insulated from it and don't even feel it.

We are on the path, by printing money, to needing a wheel barrel full of paper dollars to buy a loaf of bread. We're coming up very quickly on the $35 trillion mark.
     



 
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #66 on: April 11, 2024, 11:06:34 am »
here's the last 30 day results from "whatever" is doing the driving
does appear Silver is meeting a pretty strong resistance at around $28

Yeah, and crude is going up again. And they announced, a week or 2 ago, that inflation is going up, not down.   
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #67 on: April 11, 2024, 11:11:09 am »
This Documentary opened my eyes to the big picture in 2012
If you have never seen this, I highly suggest watching it.
It is worth the time


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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2024, 01:07:25 pm »
to add to your video, this today from a "trusted"? person I follow
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #69 on: April 11, 2024, 01:13:03 pm »
Peter Schiff lays all that out in this PDB podcastHe mentions all of the things you posted

I watched all of it last nightIt's worth a watch



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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #70 on: April 11, 2024, 05:25:09 pm »
didn't listen yet, the headline "will bitcoin...."


as an investment when it 1st hit the market, I thought it was an amazing form of "barter" as an alternative to USD.  Now that there's a good probability the lights go out for long-time, Bitcoin seems no different than a useless USD as an investment.
guy down the road, was able to capitalize on it, made $10k+ in actual cash.  He pulled out the initial investment, the rest Him n the Mrs. had some fun, the leftover he invested in bullet propelling platforms:) n bullion.
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #71 on: April 12, 2024, 06:15:43 am »
I don't buy Bitcoin
You may get lucky and make some money in it.But at the end of the day, it is nothing.

The only value is what everyone thinks it is worth.
If you can't hold it in your hand, I am not interested.



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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #73 on: April 12, 2024, 10:08:05 am »
gold and silver taking off today ?  maybe

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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #74 on: April 12, 2024, 10:22:53 am »
gold and silver taking off today ?  maybe
Holy smokes, yes they are!!
I was expecting a pullback to a support level

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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #76 on: April 12, 2024, 11:08:46 am »
was listening to the talking radio this morning
the consciences was "You really don't want Gold at $3000, it's an indication that EVERYTHING else in the world has gone to sheeet."


Common saying "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme "


the mid to late 70's economy is playing back in my brain-track, 18% inflation, gas, groceries, housing, geo-poly-stuff.
my "hedge" back then was join the Military, you get food, shelter and GUNS  :icon_biggrin:
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #77 on: April 12, 2024, 11:11:51 am »
I doubt it stops at $3k
Institutions, Governments and people all buy Gold
You could see it go way higher than 3k

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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #78 on: April 12, 2024, 01:19:26 pm »
oh, I have no doubt, I've seen silver hit $42 in very short order, interest rates drop from 10% to 3.5% in very short order.  seen stuff go the other way also, like now.


this graphic was in my feed, got me to thinking "relatively"


my career fell mainly between "stag-flation" '70's to "war on Terror" early 2014.  So, what the Dollar was worth in 1900, didn't have any "real" value/calculation on the Dollars I earned for my labor.


what I had then, that i don't now, confidence.  confidence in the "system" that controls "economics", I have zero confidence in it now.
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #79 on: April 13, 2024, 05:16:33 am »
Yesterdays action looks an awful lot like the action on the left side of the graph

I imagine there may be a pull back coming
Or not

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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #80 on: April 13, 2024, 06:58:59 am »
read somewhere, unverified; the BRICS are now buying/hording silver on top of gold, at an "aggressive" rate.
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #81 on: April 13, 2024, 07:14:29 am »
Governments have been buying Gold for many yearsI remember all that going on when I first got wise back in 2012
Smart money will get away from the dollar as it looses value

And it may not be the reserve currency some day.
How money became worthless video I posted above explains all of that

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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #82 on: April 13, 2024, 09:07:32 am »
There's this info on India importing silver..   https://www.moneymetals.com/news/2024/04/11/indian-silver-imports-surge-to-record-levels-003116


meanwhile Bidens implementation of the 30x30 plan will lock up miliions of acres of land in the western states and put them off limits for mining and oil and gas production...
 
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #83 on: April 13, 2024, 09:20:17 am »
Yeah, this current government must go
The rights guaranteed to us are being threatened
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #84 on: April 13, 2024, 11:38:22 am »
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oh, they're already gone, the masses just haven't figured it out yet.
we live under the "pretense" of freedom.   It's the same "relativity" of the Dollar, my money in 1980's earning "looked good" but compare it to 1900, it sucked.  "Freedoms" are much the same.


was thinking awhile back "how far could I travel without ""Guvmint permission"??
you can't get very far  :icon_biggrin:
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #85 on: April 13, 2024, 11:50:09 am »
Nah,There are people fighting to save our rights
It's a fight for sure, but people are waking up.

Elon bought Twitter to restore free speech on Twitter.
He lived in South Africa and came here because we have the 1st amendment (Free Speech)
They uncovered Sheet loads of documents where the feds were forcing social media to suppress Covid and elections post.
Twitter, Google and Facebook were all involved
That's some illegal crap they were doing

You have many people involved in saving our 2nd amendment rights also.The left is hell bent on de arming lawful citizens

Your rights were given to you by being born in the US
The Federal Government does not give you those rights and they cannot take them away.
Don't give up, it ain't over yet
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #86 on: April 13, 2024, 01:56:33 pm »
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oh, I haven't given up, except for Federal government, I've been watching BOTH sides since I was 16 steal, lie, n cheat their way to amazing zillion dollar careers on my dime.


my "rights" were granted long before 1776, those wise Gentlemen just seen fit to incorporate those "rights" into a founding document for all Citizens.
they also penned (paraphrased) "without Moral and Honest men protecting these documents, they will become useless"


at last count; for every ONE "moral an honest" there are ~~150 immoral and dis-honest"


I sleep well knowing my street WILL protect n defend, sadly it's 1 1/2 miles long with about 80 people.  :icon_biggrin:
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #87 on: April 16, 2024, 11:23:02 am »
looks like there's a small pull-back in silver, looking back in time, seems a large run-up could still materialize
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #88 on: April 16, 2024, 11:33:05 am »
Looks like it's up against a resistance line going back a couple years
I think it will bust through thatIt may retrace a bit and have another go at it.


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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #89 on: April 16, 2024, 03:32:55 pm »
yep, expecting it to drop to around $25-$26, If so, I'll probably head to the bullion store for a couple more oz's.  IF it does break-out then it'll be the bullet store  :icon_biggrin:
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #90 on: April 16, 2024, 04:00:12 pm »
$26 looks like a good support area

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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #91 on: April 18, 2024, 02:43:23 pm »
meanwhile Bidens implementation of the 30x30 plan will lock up miliions of acres of land in the western states and put them off limits for mining and oil and gas production...
Yeah, that's a problem. No law that put's a limit on how much land the government can take as Federal parks and such.



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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #92 on: April 18, 2024, 03:00:20 pm »
That's just one of the things that the federal gov is doing or allowing

Restricting free speech on social networks
Removing the right to bear arms and disarm law abiding citizens
Illegal immigration nightmare trying to get them to vote for them

Not to mention all the left wing crap like saying children can transgender
Jan 6 plants in the crowns by the FBI and stiring up hate before that on forums
Prosecuting political opponents
De funding the police
All the crap going on in dem cities
Letting criminals and illegal immigrants go after they have been arrested
Anti Israel pro Hamas crap
Shop lifting crimes are no longer a crime

The list is longer than this
Anyone who votes for that party this fall must be watching the main stream media that is not giving them all the info
I hope people wake up and vote to get rid of this current mess
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #93 on: April 18, 2024, 03:32:03 pm »
I'm in the camp "this mess..." can't be voted out, I'll vote, mostly as a "middle finger" thing.  corruption is way deeper than any elected official can do much about.  It's the "fall of Rome, American style."


as for "restricted lands", you'd be surprised at how little "enforcement" there is, nobody in Guv, wants to go past the paved roads.  with a jeep n quad, you could spend a week in almost ANY back-country "federal park" and not see another human, let alone a Fed-LEO.


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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #94 on: May 09, 2024, 11:09:03 am »
looks like silver is trying to make a break for it...again!
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #95 on: May 09, 2024, 11:12:48 am »
Looks good after the recent profit taking

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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #96 on: May 09, 2024, 01:39:25 pm »
Gold is Sam Bankman-Fried's husband and cell mate. 

There is rumor afoot of a massive physical bullion transfer from Moldova to London.  An echo of the transfer from Kiev to New York that happened in 2014.

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« Reply #97 on: May 09, 2024, 02:29:31 pm »
Once the "big" players get OUT of the game, there should be a bump for us 'lil folk.


read somewhere a few "nation-States" that had our Fed-guvmint hold their bullion "for safe keeping" are now asking for it back.


cashed my tax check today, Lady asked how I wanted the money, "Silver bullion would be great"  I got a laugh.  They know, the bank I use Is one of the last private family banks left in the state 1 main office, 2 branches, down from 10 branches in "the good-ol-days".
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #98 on: May 15, 2024, 12:45:54 pm »
maybe we break though the $30 line this week!!
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Re: Anybody watching Gold?
« Reply #99 on: May 15, 2024, 03:06:56 pm »
Looks like it is trying

 


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