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Offline Carlsoti

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TL;DR: How can I tweak this 5532 circuit for more reverb in the mix on my one-owner Mesa Boogie Rocket 44?

     To begin, I bought this Boogie off the showroom floor around the turn of the century. It was great for a while, then had some issues and got sidelined for decade or more. A couple years ago I finally got around to diagnosing the issues. One of the main filter caps mechanically failed internally. Not knowing why and not willing to risk it, I shot-gunned the electrolytics.  When I tossed to back together to test, it had a gnarly hum. It got set aside as other projects took priority until just the other day. As it turns out, I had forgotten to properly tighten the input jack, causing all sorts of problems. Now that the amp is back to where it was originally, I decided to address some of the concerns I had with it. The blatant abuse of the EL84s in the DC3, Rocket 44, and F30 amps was dealt with by paralleling one resistor with another early in the bias circuit. I'm still considering adding a zener to the CT, but that'll require more bias circuit tweaks, so that's a back burner issue. The depth of the reverb is the other issue to be addressed.

     Having read another thread here about Platefire's Rocket 440, I tried increasing the feedback resistor for the reverb return. I had a helluva time finding the correct resistor, just as they had. As it turns out, the resistor in mine was a 121K, not the 220k on the schematic. It was found by meticulously probing around the circuit until I was confident I had the parts ID'd correctly. At first, I put a 1M in series, per PRR's suggestion in the other thread. This let out an ungodly howl at the slightest crack of the reverb knob. "Too far!" I thought. I decided to put in a 220k, as per the schematic. It works, sorta. There's a lot more reverb, but also a LOT more hiss, and it starts to feedback if set above halfway. To dial that in, I'll parallel some other resistors to find the sweet spot, or the point at which the extra noise is tolerable.
     
     Here's where the questions are: My understanding of SS circuits isn't as strong as I'd like, so I'd like some input on what other parts of the circuit can I look at to get more reverb without increasing the noise. Would lowering the 56K resistor after the reverb pot give me any leverage? It seems like it's limiting the total output of the the reverb by 1/3 or so, but it could also be serving some other function I don't wholly understand. Would changing the reverb pot to 250K or 500K work? Maybe I'm looking at the whole thing wrong and I should be looking at driving the tank harder and keeping the return as clean as possible for the best possible s/n?

Offline sluckey

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Re: Help with tweaking SS spring reverb - Mesa Boogie Rocket 44
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2024, 07:38:43 am »
The feedback resistor on those op amps directly control the gain. Larger feedback resistor equals more gain. Try increasing the 475K on the driver for more drive.

Replacing both of those feedback resistors with 500K trimpots would allow you to dial in the amount of gain for the driver and recovery. Just keep in mind that gain and noise go hand in hand... Higher gain means higher noise.
A schematic, layout, and hi-rez pics are very useful for troubleshooting your amp. Don't wait to be asked. JUST DO IT!

Offline nandrewjackson

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Re: Help with tweaking SS spring reverb - Mesa Boogie Rocket 44
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2024, 10:29:51 am »
Instead of modifying the components around the opamp chips, I'd modify the mixing resistors.


The circled 100K, I'd increase to 200K


The circled 470K , I'd increase to 1M


The circled 56K, I'd decrease by half or more.



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Re: Help with tweaking SS spring reverb - Mesa Boogie Rocket 44
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2024, 07:56:01 pm »
Thanks for the replies. It helps to hear that I was generally on the right track. I decided to put the original reverb recovery feedback resistor back in to get it back to a baseline before making other changes. As most of my trimpots are of lower, more pedal friendly values, I then changed the 56k resistor after the reverb pot for a 27k, which got me all the reverb I could ask for. So much, in fact, it could probably use a tank with a shorter dwell!
     I played the amp for a while, but when I switched to the high gain channel, the microphonic howl came back. I started tube rolling to find one of the original Mesa SPAX7s would ONLY work in the PI spot without going microphonic, and two others that are generally more noisy than the 4th. After rolling a bunch of other tubes through, I remembered that my happy spot with this amp was with JAN 5751s in V1 and V2.
    I'm really happy to have this amp playing well again. Thanks for the direction.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2024, 07:59:33 pm by Carlsoti »

 


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