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6M5 6EM5 Valves in Push Pull
« on: August 10, 2025, 09:24:57 pm »

Hi Guys,
Got some of the above valves and got a neat little circuit to use them in.
Not a lot of info for PP circuits for these guys.
Plate voltage around 315v
Cathodyne phase inverter
Circuit similar to the "Tweedle Dee"
Any input would be great

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Re: 6M5 6EM5 Valves in Push Pull
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2025, 10:06:12 pm »
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Re: 6M5 6EM5 Valves in Push Pull
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2025, 12:05:10 am »

https://frank.pocnet.net/sheets/127/6/6EM5.pdf

Zout = 315/(10/315) = 9,922.5R


Should be able to get away with 8k plate-to-plate load at around 300Vish for PP
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Re: 6M5 6EM5 Valves in Push Pull
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2025, 12:06:59 am »
https://frank.pocnet.net/sheets/084/6/6M5.pdf

https://frank.pocnet.net/sheets/049/6/6EM5.pdf

Kinda looks like a lower output EL84.

Similar to a 6K6, compared to a 6V6.

(Edit:  Tubeswell said basically the same thing as I was typing.)
« Last Edit: August 11, 2025, 12:09:15 am by AlNewman »

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Re: 6M5 6EM5 Valves in Push Pull
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2025, 02:03:48 am »
Thanks guys, 8K OT is doable

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Re: 6M5 6EM5 Valves in Push Pull
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2025, 06:03:17 pm »
Thanks guys

I was thinking of having a valve rectifier (EZ81) and series it with a resistor to run it at 12v
Just can find the calculator that will give me the resistor value

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Re: 6M5 6EM5 Valves in Push Pull
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2025, 06:34:12 pm »
Easier way to get power supply sag is with a 10-20w 50R wire wound resistor in series with the FW Bridge and the reservoir cap.
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Re: 6M5 6EM5 Valves in Push Pull
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2025, 09:45:44 pm »
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Re: 6M5 6EM5 Valves in Push Pull
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2025, 10:24:44 pm »
Seems much like 6AQ5 rated for vertical sweep duty; 9 pin package allows higher B+/G2 V ratings. OT 8K-10K depending on B+/bias method. 


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Re: 6M5 6EM5 Valves in Push Pull
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2025, 02:24:21 am »
Hey DL,
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These work well for a 8K primary




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Re: 6M5 6EM5 Valves in Push Pull
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2025, 02:32:47 am »
Ciao TIMBO (you have a PM)

Explanation/Documentation on the .pdf file




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http://diyaudioprojects.com/Technical/Ohms-Law/

https://sengpielaudio.com/calculator-ohm.htm


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p.s.: read the PM
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Re: 6M5 6EM5 Valves in Push Pull
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2025, 05:25:09 am »
MAN that is mint
Thank you

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Re: 6M5 6EM5 Valves in Push Pull
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2025, 05:30:08 am »
With back-to-back transformers you will find the B+ under load is much lower than 315V, maybe around 250V - they naturally sag a lot.
Also the heaters in your schem seem to be missing a connection.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2025, 05:32:30 am by Merlin »

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Re: 6M5 6EM5 Valves in Push Pull
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2025, 11:16:41 am »
Looks like a fun project - I'm interested in what it ends up sounding like. Looking at the circuit, I was thinking that if you don't really need two channels, you could mod it to use one 12AX7 triode for a bias-wiggle tremolo like the 6G2 circuit.

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Re: 6M5 6EM5 Valves in Push Pull
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2025, 04:37:52 pm »
With back-to-back transformers you will find the B+ under load is much lower than 315V, maybe around 250V - they naturally sag a lot.
Also the heaters in your schem seem to be missing a connection.
Thanks mate
Just spotted it
The PT's have multiple secondary taps and can be adjusted to increase the overall voltage 

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Re: 6M5 6EM5 Valves in Push Pull
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2025, 10:55:24 pm »
To me the secret Is to use over rated current Transformers, not to overvolt the input of the second Transformer

EDIT: Guessing a bit about the Transformers spec I'll use for T1 a 100VA unit and for T2 an 80VA unit

This will result in a 310V B+ wich will SAG only a bit (or so seems to be to me with my math)

Franco
« Last Edit: August 14, 2025, 03:47:08 am by kagliostro »
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