Welcome To the Hoffman Amplifiers Forum

September 06, 2025, 12:51:23 pm
guest image
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
-User Name
-Password



Hoffman Amps Forum image Author Topic: soldering to chassis  (Read 10626 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

jeff

  • Guest
Hoffman Amps Forum image
soldering to chassis
« on: August 12, 2008, 12:50:09 am »
Hi, I need some help. How do you go about soldering a wire to the chassis? I just can't seem to get it hot enough. I got a gun type 150/230Watt iron but the solder is just balling up. Do I need a bigger iron? How does one go about doing this? Please help. (blowtorch????)
« Last Edit: August 12, 2008, 12:54:00 am by jeff »

Offline Dynaflow

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2321
  • Have a cow man!
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: soldering to chassis
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2008, 02:42:25 am »
 It has to be CLEAN, some flux to get things flowing and enough heat till the solder flows. Alternately and probably easier and what most people do is just bolt a wire connector (kind with the ring and a solder lug) down and solder the wire(s) to that. I can't hardly imagine needing a bigger iron than that (for anything really). The surface is steel right? :D

Regards,

Dyna
Making the world deaf 18 watts at a time...

Offline PRNDL

  • Level 2
  • **
  • Posts: 455
  • Tube or not Tube, that is the question
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: soldering to chassis
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2008, 09:45:17 am »
There are several secrets to this.

Dynaflow is correct.
Clean the chassis by scraping it with a screwdriver or a Dremel bit. Aluminum has a coating that must be removed.
The next step is to add flux.

I've found that it's easier to solder to something, such as a solder ring or an edge of copper plate (which is what Fender does). The trick is to first solder the wire to the ring, since melting the blob is much harder than making it.

For new amps, it's best to make your solder blobs first - with an empty chassis. Things like transformers act like huge heat sinks.

Heat is everything, which means you need a big iron. The 150/230 will do it, but remember to pull the trigger to the higher heat setting. Also make certain the tip is on tight (i.e. tighten the allen screws). Take plenty of time to heat the site. A torch is overkill, but many use small ones. Burning yourself or things in the amp is a risk.

Be sure to test the blob with a screwdriver. Push it hard. It's common for them to fall off since this is a fairly difficult job, and it is essential for a tube amp to function properly.
Check out my new tweed Retro 6V6 combo
http://www.naturdoctor.com/Chapters/Amps/RetroV.html
Paper-in-oil caps are cool!

Offline FYL

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2313
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: soldering to chassis
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2008, 11:30:29 am »
Quote
Alternately and probably easier and what most people do is just bolt a wire connector (kind with the ring and a solder lug) down and solder the wire(s) to that.

+1

Easier, faster and much safer : solder connections break at one time or another.

 

Offline bigsbybender

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 1944
  • Hack Of All Trades
    • Tube Amp Gallery
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: soldering to chassis
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2008, 12:41:05 pm »
Quote
Easier, faster and much safer : solder connections break at one time or another.
Exactly....manufacturers saved money on connectors by soldering to the chassis. A few cents times thousands of amps could buy the company a few big soldering irons. Then the rest was money saved to increase profits.  The only time I do chassis solder joints is if I'm *Restoring* a vintage amp to what it would have looked like from the factory. For that I use a 150/230 gun as with plenty of flux. If it's just a "players amp"  then it's best to us bolt down connectors.


j.

Open Minded But Fixed Bias

Offline Twanger

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 686
  • The tone quest never end!
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: soldering to chassis
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2008, 12:41:44 pm »
soldering the grounds on a typical fender amp is easy, i always get problems when it comes to champ cap cans, i used a torch a couple times but it's risky business, the cloth wires don't like it.... ::)

John

jeff

  • Guest
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: soldering to chassis
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2008, 11:10:37 pm »
I just tried something.... a magnet. Darn chassis's aluminum. Sorry.

Offline 12bz7

  • Level 2
  • **
  • Posts: 220
  • I love tube amps
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: soldering to chassis
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2008, 03:06:16 am »
I've always used bolt/nut system for aluminum chassis grounds.
I read somewhere that soldering aluminum chassis is difficult but can be done following this method.
Must have a nice big soldering iron (which you have).
Sand area to be soldered with fine paper/wet&dry/ect to remove oxide film. Of coarse aluminum will produce an oxide film in nanoseconds where you've sanded from contact with air which prevents it from taking solder. So the method is to create solder blob and using the tip of the iron scratch the surface of aluminum below solder where air can't reach ( put hot iron in middle of solder blob and scratch away) untill you think it has taken.
Now I've never tried this ( don't have large enough iron) but could be worth a try.
Sorry to hijack thread but I'm building an amp for my nephew with a steel chassis, first time with steel chassis for me so hoped that someone can offer a few tips with grounding to steel.
thanks

Offline FYL

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2313
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: soldering to chassis
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2008, 06:31:34 am »
Quote
Sorry to hijack thread but I'm building an amp for my nephew with a steel chassis, first time with steel chassis for me so hoped that someone can offer a few tips with grounding to steel.

Same as for Al: use locking nuts and bolts.


Offline Rich

  • Level 2
  • **
  • Posts: 246
  • Tube amps ???????????
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Soldering Commercial Guitar and Amp Pot Bodies, Chassis Too!
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2008, 11:02:35 am »
Soldering Commercial Guitar and Amp Pot Bodies, Chassis Too!

This chore does not require sanding or a huge iron, and it can be done without unduly heating the pot. I did use a Weller SP-23 25W iron and sometimes still do, but my favorite is a 30W NexxTech I got at Radio Shack; not because of the extra 5W, but because of the coated tip which works better than the copper tip on the Weller.
There are probably better irons out there, I'm just showing the size.

I prepare the pot before trying to solder a wire to the body. The preparation consists of getting a thin layer of solder in the target area, really just tinning a spot, using a slightly different method than that often recommended.

When building an amp, I'll prepare all the pots on the bench before hand.

The iron tip is applied briefly to the target area to preheat it, a minuscule drop of solder flux is applied to the target area and then the iron returned to that position.  The solder is touched to the iron tip so the smallest amount of solder possible is on the tip, barely 'tinning' the tip and then the tip is moved slightly about the heated area ('scratching') until the solder spreads out on the pot forming a thin layer as the iron is moved.
Once there is a thin layer of solder bond to the pot body, an appropriately sized puddle of solder can be applied and left to harden.

The object is to get a small amount of solder to bind to the pot, when this is done, it is easy to get solder to bind to solder.

Where I differ with some people (for this particular application) is in the application of solder to the iron instead of the work piece, the reverse of how electrical soldering is commonly done.

This is an application of techniques learned in grade school where we made projects such as storage tins and cookie cutters with sheet iron joined using old fashioned irons heated in a forge and bar solder with paste flux. It is more akin to sheet metal soldering than the making of electrical joints.

The process takes longer to explain than to do.

When the pot is in place, ready to solder a wire to ground it, the iron is placed against the hardened puddle of solder. As the puddle softens the wire is pressed into place with a tool and then the iron is used to briefly heat the wire, the tool then returned to the wire to hold it in place while the puddle hardens. More solder could be applied at this stage if necessary, but with solder, just use what you need to form the joint, extra is a waste and could be in the way later on.

Because the job is done in steps of 10 or less seconds, the pot doesn't get as hot as it would if I tried to do it in one step.

In the case of pots such as CTS which have a lot of information stamped on the back, you might want to consider soldering to the edge of the pot so the information of the back remains available for future reference.

When there a lot of grounds to go to one spot, I'll make a ground tab out of copper flashing.  Before soldering it to the pot, I'll drill a small hole for each wire plus a couple extra just in case. This tab allows the wires to be attached one at a time with just a touch of the iron so the there is no chance
of over heating the pot.

So far I've been speaking to pots but a similar principle applies to amp chassis.

When I found myself with the desire for solder ground points on a chassis, I thought I would need big iron and maybe even gas, so I asked about it on a kit building site.  Not one reply was made to how to make a solder ground point , everyone said drill and bolt - don't you hate it when people ignore your question?

I took my stripped chassis outside, roughed out a spot and applied my 80 watt iron for what seemed a very long time and then I applied flux and eventually solder.  With the exception of the longer application of heat, the method turned out to be the same idea I use on pots.  Tin a target area by 'scratching' at it with an iron to which a drop of solder has been applied, then make a puddle. My first attempt was very crude but as I developed a feel for the chore (and much patience ) the next 2 spots were easier, quicker and looked professional.

Next I tried with unscratched surfaces, and then I switched to the smaller irons and got the same results.

So I do the chassis the same way I do pots, except more time is required due to the thicker metal.

While I provided multiple ground points I found once I got going, that I only used two.  Both adjacent to a power transformer bolt.  I had made a ground point tab out of thin copper flashing, which once tinned, easily soldered to the chassis although it was also bolted via the transformer mount. I ran all my grounds to these 2 points.


Offline oczad

  • Level 2
  • **
  • Posts: 278
  • I love tube amps
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: soldering to chassis
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2008, 08:23:38 pm »
Like has been said, bolt it. Funny....i just go done doing exactly that on a new build i started just a couple hours ago. I use one of the PT bolts. Make it a nice strong one and use one of those tabs with a hole to go on a bolt and hole(s) for wire. I tighten the both real tight, then put another bolt on top of the first one to lock it down. Nuclear war wouldn't loosen it, and it makes the perfect ground point. If you want it even tighter, use some locktite too, tho that would be overkill. I put 2 of those tabs so theres plenty of room for wires.

Offline FYL

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2313
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: soldering to chassis
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2008, 03:40:18 am »
Quote
I use one of the PT bolts.

Please don't: this kind of ground connection is potentially unsafe. You should *always* use dedicated grounding points: a typical amp should have one for mains ground as close as possible to the mains inlet - with *no* other ground connected there; dirty ground located between mains ground and the noisiest ground in the amp - usually the minus terminal of the first filtering cap; clean ground close to the input/first preamp stage.

 

 


Choose a link from the
Hoffman Amplifiers parts catalog
Mobile Device
Catalog Link
Yard Sale
Discontinued
Misc. Hardware
What's New Board Building
 Parts
Amp trim
Handles
Lamps
Diodes
Hoffman Turret
 Boards
Channel
Switching
Resistors Fender Eyelet
 Boards
Screws/Nuts
Washers
Jacks/Plugs
Connectors
Misc Eyelet
Boards
Tools
Capacitors Custom Boards
Tubes
Valves
Pots
Knobs
Fuses/Cords Chassis
Tube
Sockets
Switches Wire
Cable


Handy Links
Tube Amp Library
Tube Amp
Schematics library
Design a custom Eyelet or
Turret Board
DIY Layout Creator
File analyzer program
DIY Layout Creator
File library
Transformer Wiring
Diagrams
Hoffmanamps
Facebook page
Hoffman Amplifiers
Discount Program


password