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Finished 5G9 Fixed! trem.
« on: June 06, 2012, 12:18:40 pm »
(Edit; Schemo drawing is in reply #3 and layout drawing is in reply #7.)

I'm finally ready to start to solder this amp up.

This is my 2'nd try at this amp. I had traded with our friend tubeswell for a chassis and it did not go as planed. But I did gain some more needed experience working with and drilling metal. Got to break some eggs to make an omelet.      :laugh:

The 1'st version had a ton of extra stuff ( PS, sag control, tube FX loop, ect....) I was going to put in, but it was too much in not a big enough chassis and I was _never_ going to get the face plate to line up with the chassis holes. (Sorry Pete, I know you tried to tell me.   :w2:   )  

Then I read a post from our friend stingray 65 on how he uses inkscape, which is a graphics artists vector program, to design his face plates and sends it to a an engraver to make it. Then he uses double stick tape to fasten it to the chassis and then drills the pilot holes in the chassis and face plates at the same time.

When I read that the light bulb turned on above my head.     :think1:

So I did the same and it turned out great, thanks Ray!

Here's some pics and I'll post more as I go.

The chassis is a blank 18 watt I got from mojo a few years ago. I'm going to build a cab for it too.

Face plate is black with white lettering, blue chicken head knobs and a blue jewel pilot light. I think it looks pretty good.


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Re: 5G9 Tremolux new build
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2012, 12:30:04 pm »
Here's 2 more showing the bias/balance pots.

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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2012, 01:00:23 pm »
Looks awesome.Is the balance pot for the heaters or a bias balance?
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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 01:07:11 pm »
Looks awesome.Is the balance pot for the heaters or a bias balance?

Thanks cbass.     :icon_biggrin:

It's for bias balance. 1 is balance and the other is for the bias range. There 25KL locking pots, I got them from Weber.

Doh, I for got to post the schemo drawing.    :w2:

The B+ dropping R's have to be adjusted, their not all going to be 1K's.

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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2012, 06:19:14 pm »
That is nifty looking. Interesting tube layout with the two different planes. I like it.

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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2012, 06:32:19 pm »
Thanks Tyrannocaster,

I moved the PI and trem tube to put them by their associated controls. The tube spec sheets say they can be mounted it any position, so it should be fine. I might have to add a couple of vents to the cab. The chassis will be mounted like tweed combos.

I have to fix a few things on the layout drawing after which I'll post it and you'll see what/why I put the 2 tubes where I did.



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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2012, 10:25:42 am »
Way cool and very clever layout!  Layouts can really showcase a person's creativity.
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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2012, 10:40:04 am »
Thanks desalvo,

The layout I did has to do with trying to go with my interpretation of KOC's galactic wired ground and Merlins wired ground.

Every B+ filter cap is put close to the circuitry it's feeding and all of those grounds are brought together to it's filter cap's ground as a ground star node.

Here's the layout drawing. All jacks are insulated/isolated from the chassis. I'll note that on the layout drawing and repost it.


                                
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Edit; Speed pot connection is wrong, wiper does not go to ground, X end of speed pot goes to ground on trem. FSW. I'll fix this and repost.
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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2012, 10:47:12 am »
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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2012, 12:19:38 pm »
I m guessing that, seeing how carefully you've done everything, this thing is going to sound great. I hope you can post some sound files. I love 6V6 amps...and EL84 variants, too. Do you have any idea how long it's likely to take for this to get to a playable stage? I know it takes me forever to do build one from scratch, and mine aren't as nice as yours.

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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2012, 01:07:26 pm »
Thanks Tyrannocaster,

It's really still, what 95% a 5G9, so it should sound much the same as a 5G9, just (maybe) a little quieter.

All I did was to redo the layout with a wired star (galactic) ground and to add a few B+ filter caps, put in -bias/balance and added a dcv stand-off for the heaters. Oh and a circuit ground lift that I've been wanting to try.

As far as getting it finished, I'm pretty slow.      :laugh:

I bought the iron, Merc. Mags. 3, 4 years ago because I wanted to hear the difference between it and a 5Y3 because of the changed PI and the grid -bias. I also need to make a cab for it, it will be mounted tweed combo style, so it's gonna be a while.  

But since then I've come to realize that for _years_  I had been listening to recordings with this output stage -bias vary tremolo and really love it for certain things/guitar parts.

Here's a u-tube clip from Delbert McClinton at the CMA's and the guy playing the white strat is playin through a 5G9, I love it! Starts about 1 minuite in.

http://youtu.be/5TlaDUHMcfA




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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2012, 03:35:21 pm »
 :icon_biggrin:  nice work!

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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2012, 03:57:07 pm »
Thanks desalvo,

The layout I did has to do with trying to go with my interpretation of KOC's galactic wired ground and Merlins wired ground.

Every B+ filter cap is put close to the circuitry it's feeding and all of those grounds are brought together to it's filter cap's ground as a ground star node.

Here's the layout drawing.


                               
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I follow your bias/balance much better in layout mode.  You have 2, 22k's in series feeding the balance and from the balance wiper to the bias wiper you have another.  The range pot is easy to understand.  How did you come up with 22k values?  What type of range are you expecting?

Also, I noticed you are running your CT to pin 5, then to your cap ground to yet another cap, then tied into the bias after the diode and 470.  What is the purpose?

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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2012, 05:49:22 pm »
Thanks DL. This is my 1'st complete scratch build _including_ the chassis and face/rear plate and layout.

I follow your bias/balance much better in layout mode.  You have 2, 22k's in series feeding the balance and from the balance wiper to the bias wiper you have another.  The range pot is easy to understand.  How did you come up with 22k values?  What type of range are you expecting?

The 1'st pair of 22K R's are in parallel that are feeding the opposite ends of the balance pot. It's to give the balance pot something to work against, if you leave them out the balance pot wont work. Their junction is feed from the term intensity pots wiper. If this amp didn't have the -bias vary trem this junction would be feed from the raw -bias.

The 3'rd 22K going from the bias balance pots wiper to 1 end of the -bias range is there to make sure there is always some -bias left even if you turn it all the way down. If you need more -bias you can make this R larger since it's in series with range pot and it's the  
-bias path to ground.

Note that the way the the bias/balance is wired up, if either the balance pots wiper or the range pots wiper ever lifts (stops working) -bias will remain as a safety.

I think I need to see if I can add a -bias safety R to the term intensity pot in case it's wiper ever goes wonky. Not sure if you can or if you need 1 or 2 safety R's?

The values for the R's and pots for the bias/balance are from KOC's TUT books. There what he likes to use and IIRC it's for the overall impedance of the -bias supply, to keep it low?

For the -bias range, the Fender schemo calls for -28dcv (the PT has a 60v bias tap), so with 25%, +/-, I'll need to go from -21dcv to -35dcv. But since this is a bias vary term that range might not be enough to let the term over come the -bias of the output tubes?

Also, I noticed you are running your CT to pin 5, then to your cap ground to yet another cap, then tied into the bias after the diode and 470.  What is the purpose?

The B+ CT is going to pin 5 so I can twist all 3 B+ PT HT secondary wires together (I'm using it as a solder post), to help cut down on the electrostatic and electromagnetic field radiated from them, ie, noise, + now I have a ground wire to twist with the rectified B+ wire from pin 8 of the rectifier tubes socket (for the same reason) to the 1'st 2 HT B+ filter caps, 22uF each in parallel @450v = 44 uF @ 450v.

The 1'st -bias caps ground is tied to the B+ HT CT and 1'st pair of HT B+ filter caps ground because the -bias comes from a tap on the B+ wind, so any noise from the HT B+ filter caps charging current on the HT B+ is _also_ on the -bias tap. This also lets me run this ground wire with the -bias tap wire as a twisted pair, for the same reason stated above. This is a very noisy ground and KOC, Merlin and others wire it up this way. These grounds go together as their own ground star node _only_ and _then_ they run a wire to the next ground star node and so on. If this PT had a CT on the heater wind it would go there too. This is so the B+ filter caps charging current circulate by themselves and do not affect other circuits by modulating their grounds.

The 2'nd -bias caps ground goes to the screen ground star node to separate it from the HT B+ ground star nodes charging currents noise.

I'm trying to use twisted pairs or twist 3 when/where ever I can, some guys don't and their very happy with their amp builds.

There is 1 hitch in the giddy up with this. If I'm getting this right, KOC likes twisting wires to cancel noise and IIRC, Merlin says to keep the B+'s ground rail wire _away_ from the B+'s positive rail wire, so the ground wires noise is not induced back into the B+ (positive) rail.    :w2:         :laugh:  

Again this is just my understanding/interpretation of KOC's and Merlins wired ground star/node scheme. Different guys wire their amps ground differently with good/great results, no doubt.

Our host Doug has his own grounding scheme that _many_ guys here have used on _many_ amps and report great results.

Any and all corrections of what I'm saying are welcome.

            
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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2012, 09:48:37 am »
I have 2/3 of the amp wired up and it's going well so far.

But I lost the spec. sheet for the PT and OT, so I don't know what/where all the wires/colors should go.

I measured both for resistance and got these for readings;

PT primary, 2 Black

Secondary;

2 Red, 2 Yellow, 2 Green, 1 White/Red, 1 Black/Red

Red/Red=118 ohm

Red 1 to Black/Red= 58.2 ohm

Red 2 to Black/Red= 61.7 ohm

Red 1 to White/Red= 48.5 ohm

Red 2 to White/Red= 71.3 ohm

White/Red to Black/Red= 11.6 ohm

From these readings I gather that, R/R= B+ HT, BLK/RD= CT, WHT/RD= bias tap?

So I hooked up the PT temporarily, I get continuity on the grounds (CT, chassis safety ground and chassis circuit ground) 2 Greens=6.8vac unloaded, with NOS 5U4 plugged in to rec. tube socket, 2 Yellows on pins 2&8= 38vac, pin 8/2= pin 8= 413vdc no B+ filter caps/no load, reds on pins 4/5= 354.3vac, W/R= 58.7vac.

I take it pin 8's vdc are high because, 1 it's unloaded and 2 there's no B+ filter caps hooked up?

Is this also why I'm getting 38vac on pins 8/2 to ground?

OT pri. Brown, Green and Orange.

Brn. to Grn.=665.0 ohm

Brn. to ORG.= 48.8 ohm

Grn. to ORG.= 309.3 ohm

So ORG. is the CT, Grn. is the start and BRN. is the finish?


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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2012, 10:37:18 am »
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I take it pin 8's vdc are high because, 1 it's unloaded and 2 there's no B+ filter caps hooked up?

Is this also why I'm getting 38vac on pins 8/2 to ground?
Pin 8's vdc is not high. It's low because there is no cap to charge to the peak of the positive pulses. With a 354-0-354 PT, the unloaded B+ will be 500v with a cap.

Just ignore the 38vac readings on pins 8/2 to ground. Your meter is confused by the dc pulses.

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OT pri. Brown, Green and Orange.

Brn. to Grn.=665.0 ohm

Brn. to ORG.= 48.8 ohm

Grn. to ORG.= 309.3 ohm

So ORG. is the CT, Grn. is the start and BRN. is the finish?
Check those again. Something is amiss. If BRN to ORG is 48, and GRN to ORG is 309, then BRN to GRN cannot be 665.

End1 to CT plus End2 to CT must equal End1 to End2.

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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2012, 10:46:48 am »
Doh! I forgot the 3.    :laugh:

BRN to ORG.=348.8 ohm

GRN. to BRN.= 665 ohm

GRN. to ORG.= 309.3 ohm

So I take it the GRN. to ORG. is the start and BRN. to ORG. would be the finish?


Pin 8's vdc is not high. It's low because there is no cap to charge to the peak of the positive pulses. With a 354-0-354 PT, the unloaded B+ will be 500v with a cap.

Well that's a problem because 5G9 Fender schemo says 370vdc to OT CT. The iron set is Merc. Mags. so they should be right. 

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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2012, 10:48:42 am »
PT; based on your readings and guess-work:

2 yellow are 5V for recto filament; tie 1 yellow to pin 8 and the other 1 yellow to pin 2; tie pin 8 to the first filter.

2 red & black/red are for B+ recto; black/red is CT and grounded; tie red 1 to pin 4, tie red 2 to pin 6 of recto tube.

red/white is bias tap to bias PS.

2 green are 6.3V for filaments.

measurements of your OT are waaaaay wonky to be a push-pull type... is it possibly a SE type with a UL tap? you should read not more than 10% difference of DC resistance from CT to each end of the winding of the primary. most modern OT are wound to much closer than that, as in usually <5% diff.

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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2012, 10:50:04 am »
ORG is the CT.

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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2012, 10:53:00 am »
Thanks DL.

That's what I thought.

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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2012, 10:56:39 am »
Just ignore the 38vac readings on pins 8/2 to ground. Your meter is confused by the dc pulses.

Ok, I thought it was because of having no B+ filter cap hooked up.


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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2012, 11:06:46 am »
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Well that's a problem because 5G9 Fender schemo says 370vdc to OT CT. The iron set is Merc. Mags. so they should be right
Remember, 500vdc is unloaded. As soon as you connect it to the output tubes the B+ will drop. The amount of drop depends upon how hot you bias the tubes, rectifier tube drop, and PT internal resistance. You may be right on the money in the end, although I'll bet a cup of coffee that the B+ will be higher than you like.   :icon_biggrin:
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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2012, 11:13:06 am »
Ok, thanks sluckey.

I'll just keep going then, the rec. tube is 5U4.


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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2012, 12:26:55 am »
Ok, got some more soldered up. Not too bad.

Here's a pic, I'll try and finish up tomorrow, if so, then I can make my git'tar with tremolo go, WA WA WA WA WA......    :laugh:

If anyone see's any problems, please let me know.

              
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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2012, 05:45:40 am »
That looks good.  Buss wire?

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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2012, 08:19:47 am »
Hi Tubenit, and thanks

The yellow/purple twisted pair goes from the PI's plate R's to the output tubes coupling caps. (if that's what your asking?     :dontknow:)

Layout and schemo are in reply #'s 3,7.


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« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2012, 08:38:53 am »
I apologize. I didn't read all the posts. I was referring to a buss wire for grounding ala Hoffman's grounding scheme.  I see you are using a different approach .....

I like the wiring and layout in your chassis. Very nice.

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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2012, 09:10:04 am »
Won't be long now.  I am in a hurry for you.  I want to see how your bias works out.  I've got a bet it is better than dual bias.  I am going the dual bias method, but I did get the mini 25kl pots so if yours is best I can copy. :headbang:

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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2012, 10:22:07 am »
Kool Project! I watched the vidio and man! what a top notch tremolo sound. I'm a big fan of tremolo and work it into songs as much as possible where is fits well. It fits real well on that song.

Your layout is new thinking for sure and looks so clean in appearance. Like a nice hot rod bike without a lot of clutter. I'm not familiar with that 5G9 model--will have to do some research on it.

Great Work! Looking forward to the first test run. Plate
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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2012, 12:04:05 pm »
I was referring to a buss wire for grounding ala Hoffman's grounding scheme.  I see you are using a different approach .....

I just realized what you meant, the B+/- rails are under the board as twisted pairs. There's a pic of the under side of the eyelet board in the 1'st post. I'm _trying_ to use KOC's and Merlins wired grounding.

I like the wiring and layout in your chassis. Very nice.

Thanks, I felt that my weakest area in amp building was was layout and lead dress. So I spent the last year and half or so working on it. I spent a _lot_ of time with SCH express and blank chassis, parts and rulers.        :laugh:

This is my 3'rd scratch eyelet board and I'm still making layout mistakes that I don't see until I wire it up.     :BangHead:       :l2:

I might be chasing my tail with this though? I still need to think about it some more.

I want to see how your bias works out.  I've got a bet it is better than dual bias.

Someone here said a while back that bias/balance was easier to adjust, but I don't really know.

I watched the video and man! what a top notch tremolo sound. It fits real well on that song.

Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa, yep. That's why, for fun, I named it the Tremolator, .        :laugh:            IMO, it makes that song, without it, it would be missing something.

I think they sound great on ballads and 3/4 time songs too.

Our NZ friend tubeswell loves these bias vary tremolo amps . He kinda woke me up to their sound. (Thanks Pete)

Your layout is new thinking for sure and looks so clean in appearance. Great Work!


Thanks, but there's many very creative guys here and on other forums. But I think I'm starting to get the hang of it?       :think1:

Looking forward to the first test run.

Me too.     :laugh:



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Finished 5G9 Trem Not working, new build
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2012, 10:05:34 pm »
Well I finished soldering it up and no smoke, bias works fine, popped in tubes, set bias to 35mA's each tube, plugged in guitar and she sounds fine.

Next tried tremolo and nothing.      :BangHead:      :laugh:

Re-checked wiring and I believe it's wired up correctly.

Measured all the R's, fine, caps were measured when I 1'st put them in.

Tried 3 different 12AX7's, nothin.

Re-biased tubes down to 20mA's each, nothing.

I can hear it _very_ faintly.

Here's the trem tubes dcv;

Driver/CF

Plate, pin 1+ 410vdc

Grid, pin 2= 270.4vdc

Cathode, pin 3= 272.4vdc

OSC

Plate, pin 6 =270.4vdc

Cathode, pin 8= 2.06vdc

When I turn up the Depth control pot the amp gets louder, wither the trem FTS is on or off.     :think1:

Seems alright, should I try changing the CF's 220K KR to 470K or make the 1M after the .1 cap from the K smaller, say 470K?

Vibroverb 6G16 is set up with 470K and 470K.



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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2012, 10:50:01 pm »
This is why I won't attempt another tremolo amp without help from somebody...like this forum.  :laugh: About half of the trem amps I have built have had real problems and a couple of them never did get the trem circuit working. They are tricky little buggers! Your amp looks great; once again, I wish mine looked that good. Really nice work.

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Re: 5G9 Tremolator new build
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2012, 10:57:51 pm »
Thanks T,

The guys will set me straight and get my little amp to wiggle.     :laugh:

Really the whole point of building this amp is for the tremolo, I gotta have it, got that sound in my ears and head.       :l2:

I've seen/read about this here before and IIRC one of the fixes is to up the CF KR.  

But well see.      

                          
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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2012, 11:25:15 pm »
Make the oscillator work first. If it ain't oscillating the plate will be a steady voltage. If it's working the plate voltage will be jumping all over the place. Same with the CF grid and cathode. You don't need a footswitch plugged in for this to work.
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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2012, 11:27:23 pm »
OK, thanks Sluckey.

I'll go measure right now.

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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2012, 01:48:25 am »
Meh! She no wanna wiggle.     :laugh:

I went over the scheme and my layout again and I still think there correct.

I changed the 3 osc. caps and used a heat sink this time, nothin.

I'll fool with it some more tomorrow. I think I'll try changing the term tube socket also.

(BTW Sluckey, I owe you a cup of coffee, 401vdc on pin 8 of the rec. tube, full load, you like cream/sugar or with N.O. chicory and a Beinye? {I'm sure I spelled that wrong.}      :laugh:     )
                  

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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2012, 03:27:55 am »
Got to be a wiring error in the LFO stage methinks.
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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2012, 04:53:25 am »
Hey Pete,

Me thinks your right, but I've been over it, again and again and again, but I'll check it again.    :laugh:

I did figure out that I wired the 3MRA speed pot wired backwards, O to X, but that should only make the speed control work backwards?

I'm gonna futz with it tomorrow and see what happens.

Hey, take a look at reply #10 of the u-tube link to Delbert McClinton at the CMAs with his gitar man (white Strat) playing through an old 5G9.

Starts about 1 minute in. In the beginning and in the performance you can see (only for a few seconds a couple of times) an old tweed amp, looks like a 5G9 tweed, 1-12 combo to me.

What you think? I love it! That's the sound I want!
                    
                              
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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2012, 06:59:29 am »
What's the value of that resistor on the trem socket, pin 1 to 6? Measure it. Should be 100KΩ. If it's a 3 band color code it should be brown/black/yellow. If it's a 4 band color code it should be brown/black/black/orange. I don't see any yellow or orange. Post a closeup pic of the trem area,,,, socket, pot, footswitch jack, board.
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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2012, 07:08:46 am »
(BTW Sluckey, I owe you a cup of coffee, 401vdc on pin 8 of the rec. tube, full load, you like cream/sugar or with N.O. chicory and a Beinye? {I'm sure I spelled that wrong.}      :laugh:     )

Beignet, LOL.

I'm watching this one with interest. My 5E5 is coming along slowly and I am planning to add a trem circuit to it once it is working properly. But this time I'm doing the entire amp first and then putting in a small secondary board with the tremolo on it and until then there will be one unused 12AX7. I love tremolo; reverb makes no sense on a tweed amp (it sounds like crap in front of the distortion IMO), but you have to have tremolo! I just wish they weren't so finicky.

The tremolo I have in my 18 watt Marshall Lite is from the Matchless Hurricane (uses 1/2 12AX7) - it's a bias vary circuit and it's especially cool because of the way its effect gets overpowered when you push the amp, meaning you can hit a big dirty chord and it will start off with no tremolo and then the trem fades in; I LOVE this effect but was totally unable to get the circuit to work in the other amp I tried it in and it has an identical power amp.  :BangHead:

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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2012, 10:28:44 am »
They say absense makes the heart grow fonder---when Mr. Wiggle does show up, it will be celibration time. Maybe when you check the resistor Sluckey pointed out---maybe that will be it! I'll be checking back in for the Victory Shout!
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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2012, 12:04:06 pm »
Thanks guys,

Looks like ,Brown/Black/Black/Orange/Brown? It's hard to see these 1/2w MF's.

I measured all the R's as I put them in because of that, but it looks like I messed up?

I'll put in a CC 100K that I can read.

I killed my meters R/C functions last night.    :w2:            It was a 15 years (?) old RS, think I got my $$ worth out of it.


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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2012, 12:14:49 pm »
Quote
Looks like ,Brown/Black/Black/Orange/Brown?
That's correct. The last color is probably gold.
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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #43 on: June 15, 2012, 12:19:58 pm »
Wait, you said a few posts back, brown/black/yellow?


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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #44 on: June 15, 2012, 12:34:43 pm »
read it one more time
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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #45 on: June 15, 2012, 12:41:58 pm »
Ok, I see it now.

I'll post a few close-ups latter today. I'm wondering if I got a bum socket?


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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #46 on: June 15, 2012, 07:41:38 pm »
Here's some close ups.

Some of the over head wires are out of place right now, I'll move them back in place once I get the trem working.

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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #47 on: June 15, 2012, 07:44:49 pm »
You have a footswitch jack. Insert a footswitch, or connect an alligator jumper from the hot lug to the ground lug.

Work now?

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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #48 on: June 15, 2012, 07:47:50 pm »
Here's more.


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Re: Finished 5G9 but NO trem
« Reply #49 on: June 15, 2012, 08:11:16 pm »
More. I snipped out the 100K from the socket this morning to see the color code. I broke the socket last night on the outside edge behind pin 7.     :w2:


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