Pulled the plug on a Joyo Vintage Overdrive(got it)

[Platefire]

I was needing another OD/distortion pedal and after loosing an e-bay bid on a used Boss DS-1,
started looking at tube screamers but they were a little more than I wanted to spend. Then I found a "Buy It Now" Joyo Vintage Overdrive new for $37. I just couldn't find no bad reviews on it, everybody seems to be blown away with it and viewed a Youtube A/B deminstration of tube screamer and Joyo and couldn't tell the difference. So it's on the way. Platefire

Features:
 •A representation of the classic Tube Screamer, with an updated JFC4588 chip
•True Bypass
•Drive, Tone, and Volume Controls
•Rugged Aluminum alloy casing
•Uses a 9V Battery or 9V AC Adapter

[smackoj]

I don't know much about that pedal, but if it uses the same circuit as the early TS808 there are oodles of forum threads on mods if you get the
desire to tweak it. Probably the most dissected, studied effect on the planet.

 

[Ed_Chambley]

PLATE,
I think you will like it right out of the box.  It is very similar to the ts9.  I am not a huge tube screamer user for its overdrive tones, but this pedal works just as well for me as a GENUINE one.  I normally use these pedals to stack in-front of Distortion, overdrive or fuzz.  You get the idea.

It is a good pedal platform.  It would be difficult to get the pots, box and board for $37.00.

[simonallaway]

In my experience, the tubescreamer style of OD has a fat midrange hump to it. I've used them as a booster, with very low overdrive. Works really well when you just need a bit more during a solo. (but these go to eleven?!)

[Platefire]

I have a Visual Sounds Route 66 OD/Compressor on my large pedalboard. I like the 66's OD very much and from what I understand TS9 clone circuit. So if the Joyo sounds anything like my 66 I'll be happy. What I am replacing is the Morley distortion on another small pedalboard that has Dano cool cat tremolo, old 80's DOD analog delay and the Morley dist/vol/wah pedal---the morley distortion is sounding pretty bad to me. I don't require high gain, just a good chunkey crunch for rhythem and turn the guitar vol up for a fat singing lead tone and then turning the guitar back down to return to rhythem. Plate

[Ed_Chambley]

I have a Visual Sounds Route 66 OD/Compressor on my large pedalboard. I like the 66's OD very much and from what I understand TS9 clone circuit. So if the Joyo sounds anything like my 66 I'll be happy. What I am replacing is the Morley distortion on another small pedalboard that has Dano cool cat tremolo, old 80's DOD analog delay and the Morley dist/vol/wah pedal---the morley distortion is sounding pretty bad to me. I don't require high gain, just a good chunkey crunch for rhythem and turn the guitar vol up for a fat singing lead tone and then turning the guitar back down to return to rhythem. Plate

Man you are jogging my memory.  I remember I has some distortion pedal that worked like a wah.  The more you stepped on it the more it clipped.  It sounded awful, but it was not a morley.  I cannot remember the brand.  I had it before I could hardly play guitar and still knew it had an awful tone.

Sounded just like you threw a running chainsaw in a garbage can full of rats.

[Ritchie200]

Are you sure you just didn't have a Tele plugged in?

Jim

[Ed_Chambley]

Are you sure you just didn't have a Tele plugged in?

Jim

Naw Jim, but thanks for asking.  Actually it was some sort of fender with a rosewood fretboard.  Had only 2 pups tho, but looked like a strat.  Had a dummy in the center and a fat head.  I believe it may have been white or cream.

Anyway, like I said I do not remember it well, but as I think, I believe I was playing through a 200 watt marshall, whatever that is.

Yes, I have a tele or 2 and they are very nice.

[Willabe]

Sounded just like you threw a running chainsaw in a garbage can full of rats.

Hey now! That's the sound I've been looking for all these years!


                  Brad     

[Ritchie200]

Hey!  Are you calling me a dummy with a fat head!!!!!

Jim

[Platefire]

but I was playing a tele through the Morley into my 5E3. I always remember the Morley sounding pretty decent until now. Oh well, just like amps, you can't have too many OD pedals.  

BTW -Speaking of Garbage can full of rats OD, the first fuzz box I bought in late 60's cost $15 ordered out of Electronics catalog was called Kingston Fuzz Expander. Here is a pix I found on the net of the exact same thing. It looks kinda like a fuzz face but it was pretty ratty sounding.
The best sounding fuzz(see pix) I evey played over was called a "Nu-Fuzz" belonged to Cullpepper our drummer in the 70's. When we parted ways I gave it back but I kinda miss that old fuzz. It had a tremendous bottom but still cut through. Originals sell for big bucks now days and they now have a RI

[Ed_Chambley]

Hey!  Are you calling me a dummy with a fat head!!!!!

Jim

Hey buddy, if that is what you read, well then, why should I disagree?  I remembered more, the frets were scalloped sort of like a copy of Steve Via or Yngwie.  I guess someone felt they could play like these guys if they only had a guitar like them.

What will your mind do with this comment?

Country Alert Song Title
there are strange thangs in Jim Bobs Brain.

[Ritchie200]

Oh man, you are killing me!!!  Did Tubenit put you up to this?  And I thought you were my friend!  Or is it fiend!

My first fuzz was one I built from an article in Popular Electronics back in the 60's.  I remember it had two silicon NPN transistors and it was horrid!  I remember the article was name dropping like "get the new groovy sounds of Rolling Stones Satisfaction and Jimi Hendrix Purple Haze".  I had high hopes......  I didnt know enough back then to even try to tweak it, but it was awful.  Kind of a blatting blocking distortion, ripped speaker, bad tubes - sound.  Ahhh, the good ol days!

Jim

[Ed_Chambley]

Oh man, you are killing me!!!  Did Tubenit put you up to this?  And I thought you were my friend!  Or is it fiend!

My first fuzz was one I built from an article in Popular Electronics back in the 60's.  I remember it had two silicon NPN transistors and it was horrid!  I remember the article was name dropping like "get the new groovy sounds of Rolling Stones Satisfaction and Jimi Hendrix Purple Haze".  I had high hopes......  I didnt know enough back then to even try to tweak it, but it was awful.  Kind of a blatting blocking distortion, ripped speaker, bad tubes - sound.  Ahhh, the good ol days!

Jim

Just having fun my man.  I assure you we are friend.  You have a great sense of humor.

I found a photo of the pedal.  It looks way cool, but it's not.  It's chiffon.

[Platefire]

You guys behave, don't let me haf to call in the floor bouncer

[Ed_Chambley]

You guys behave, don't let me haf to call in the floor bouncer

Jim breathes fire, I think he can take your bouncer.  Or at the very least make him laugh to death.

Did you get the pedal yet?  I only need one more overdrive pedal.

Oh, I forgot to mention the Joyo pedals are Asian so they bock every note which is not pentatonic.  I guess you got it to play AC/DC and Pink Floyd?

[Platefire]

We'll let Jim and the bouncer fight it out, who ever wins get to stay. 


Wow! I'm so dissapointed! and I thought the true bypass would take care of the all pentatonic thing 

Naw! it's approximate delivery date is the 14th(saturday). According to the tracking it hasn't even been sent yet---or they are behind on their record keeping. Platefire

[Platefire]

I was surprised it arrived today on the estimated delivery date. I did an initial low volume test. The distortion/OD sound reminds me very much of my Route 66 which is a good thing and what I was looking for. The tone control is really responsive and covers a wide spectrum from dark to really bright. I tested it with my tele(worst case sinario), so I was getting what I was looking for from 12:00 to 2:00 on the tone control.  On the OD level control from at its lowest setting I was getting a clean like boost with a small touch of OD to its full up setting a mid range saturated distortion again pretty much same a the 66. So on initial test it seems to provide everything I'd hoped for. Kind of glad I didn't win the bid on a Boss DS-1 because the Joyo has such a full rich Harmonic sound with no harsh stuff detected.

I will be practicing tonight at the Church for tomorrows service at louder volumes, so tonight will be more of a where the rubber meets the road test. I've learned not to fully trust bedroom level test. Plate

[sluckey]

I was getting what I was looking for from 12:00 to 2:00 on the tone control.

I've got a basic general question about pot rotation. I see references made to a clock all the time but I'm not really sure what the reference point is. And I'm not convinced that everyone uses the same reference point.

Being a military radar guy, I relate 12:00 to zero degrees (north, straight up, etc.) on a radar screen. Or, when driving down the highway, 12:00 means straight ahead. And working with GMT (Zulu) time for 40 years makes me relate 12:00 to zero hundred hours every night about midnight. So, naturally, when someone says their pot is set to 12:00, I think they mean it's set to zero, or max CCW. And 2:00 would represent 60 degrees rotation from max CCW.

So, am I thinking like you and others or am I totally out of time? 

[Platefire]

Well in my mind I fully understand where each location is at but with you asking this question it makes me wonder if everybody is on the same sheet of music with this? On the other hand you could be messing with me, like you sometimes do.         This is the way I think of it:

1-Think of a circle having 360 degrees and the starting point of travel at O degrees being on the bottom center of circle.

2-Going clockwise around the circle from the starting point, the actual pot travel would be from about 20 Degrees from full resistance to 340 degrees or from about 7:00 to Least resistance at 5:00 on a clock face.

3-So critical points going clockwise from the pots point of begining at 7:00 Oclock ("20" D) would be 9:00 oclock (90 D), 12:00 oclock (180 D) and 3:00 Oclock (270 D).  

So Oclock pot setting would be in line with the clocks hour little hand, not minute hand. So I hope your satified, put me through all this and u already knew it all the time!!  Hump!

If not then let this be the standard for all net communications regarding pot setting from now on out!  

[sluckey]

I am being serious about this. Not messing with you. I see that I am 180° out of phase with you. Your reference for zero is at the bottom of the circle. Why? That's what I call 6:00. It's 6:00 on a real clock. And it's 180° (or south) on a radar display.

I'm just trying to get in sync with you guys. So when you're saying that a pot is at 12:00, you mean that it is rotated CW from zero (max CCW) by about 1/2 turn??? Is that standard?

[Platefire]

  So you are serious! I would say that is standard, yes! I never actually discussed this subject with anybody. Years ago when I first heard it used, I thought it was a great illistration for noting pot settings and started using it myself. Sometimes I use percentages but I prefer oclock settings. When someone says I set the tone at 3:00 oclock I visualize the clocks little hour hand at the 3:00 oclock position and turning the pot position marker to the 3:00 oclock position is easy to approximate.
   In my combo amps I have a sheet of paper stuck in the back that has oclock settings for the amp controls and for my pedal board effects for each of my guitars. The controls for each guitar has to be set slightly different and the oclock settings help me to quickly get back to the last known good sounding settings for that guitar. In many cases I have two three old setting marked through with a new setting by it. I like it! Plate  

[Ed_Chambley]

If there are not numbers, it is the clock face.  Like when someone says hot chick at 7, you know where to look.

Least that is the way I take it to be.  Has nothing to do with a degree.

[Ed_Chambley]

I was surprised it arrived today on the estimated delivery date. I did an initial low volume test. The distortion/OD sound reminds me very much of my Route 66 which is a good thing and what I was looking for. The tone control is really responsive and covers a wide spectrum from dark to really bright. I tested it with my tele(worst case sinario), so I was getting what I was looking for from 12:00 to 2:00 on the tone control.  On the OD level control from at its lowest setting I was getting a clean like boost with a small touch of OD to its full up setting a mid range saturated distortion again pretty much same a the 66. So on initial test it seems to provide everything I'd hoped for. Kind of glad I didn't win the bid on a Boss DS-1 because the Joyo has such a full rich Harmonic sound with no harsh stuff detected.

I will be practicing tonight at the Church for tomorrows service at louder volumes, so tonight will be more of a where the rubber meets the road test. I've learned not to fully trust bedroom level test. Plate

Good deal, glad you like it.  Their pedals are good for the price and if you get bored you can always mod it.

[sluckey]

Here's a pic of how I set the knob reference on my amps. The pointers of all these pots are pointing to 12:00. That's max CCW, zero, volume is all the way down, tone is all the way down, etc. So my knobs point up when the volume is set on zero, but your knobs point down when on zero. We both visualize a clock face, but we are using a different point of reference for zero (max CCW). And that makes it impossible for us to understand what 2:00, or 12:00 means to the other person.

In my little world my way makes sense to me but that puts my reference off from yours. I think most people probably use your point of reference, but I'm not sure. And I guess I'll always be in the dark unless someone is using knobs with numbers on them and zero is max CCW.

[Ritchie200]

Ed, I remember that pedal!!!  It had a siren built in as a "special" effect.  There were a bunch of kids that lived down the road from where my band used to practice.  They used to sit by the basement widow and listen to us play.  They started their own band and played REO's, Riding the Storm Out, over, and over, and over, and over and over and over.......  Most of the guitar was all wrong, but the worst part was they had one of those pedals and used the siren "special" effect for the beginning of the song.  It was so not like a synth and so not in key - it was just grating to hear over and over!  Nobody had a lot of money to spend back then, so you made do with what you had.  Wow, that brings back memories!

Jim

[Ritchie200]

Plate,

Ive got an original TS9 and a TS10.  I used them like Ed, just for a little push on the front end.  I always had something else for the distortion.  Like a lot of volume or a treble booster or a attenuator.  They do sound pretty good as a fuzz box.  It should serve you well for what you want to do.  Do I see some additional recordings in your future?!!?

Jim

[Platefire]

Sluckey

I see now why we're not matching up. I actually never heard of anyone setting "0" to 12:00 oclock.
If that makes more sense to you, that will work. My reference is every amp I ever had worked from about the 7:00 oclock position to 5:00 oclock position, so I tend to copy that. It really don't make a whole lot of difference, you turn your knob until it sounds good and stop. Only makes a difference when you want to record positions and you can always use your own method for that.

Your pictured build has got me puzzled? I see what appears to be two EL84's, a rectifier and a single maybe 12ax7---don't seem to be enough preamps tubes there for a PI and gain stages to run a bass/treble tone stack. What's going on with that amp? unless those are ECL86's? Plate  

[Platefire]

Well at my rehearsal tonight I gave the pedal real run through. It sounds good but I found out it don't have a much gain as the Route 66. I kind of miss the extra gain especially when doing leads.
The good side of less gain is it's a little bit easier to control. The tone setting changed from 12:00 to 2:00 oclock to 7:00 to 9:00 oclock range. OD level changed from 12:00 to about 3:00. I was just thinking when I was playing it tonight, some things about it I like better than the 66 and other things I don't like as much. All and all it's a good pedal, its got it's own personality and like any tool, you have learn the best way to use it. Bottom line is it sounds a whole lot better than the Morley Distortion I pulled off of that pedalboard tonight. Platefire   

[sluckey]

My reference is every amp I ever had worked from about the 7:00 oclock position to 5:00 oclock position

Ahhh, now I get it! With your 7:00 (zero) reference, 12:00 is half rotation. I'll just slip the knobs on my stuff so I can be on the same page with you guys. Thanks.

unless those are ECL86's?

Bingo! I thought you had seen PeeWee Hammond?

        http://home.comcast.net/~seluckey/amps/PeeWee/peewee.htm

[Platefire]

Ok, Skuckey--we are all on the same sheet of music now--around the clock. 

 The PeeWee Hammond is a cool little amp. I love those re-purposing projects. I've got an old Hammond PR-40 tone cab amp I don't know what to do with. It's like the ultimate odd amp to do anything with but it was given to me, so I can't complain. Plate

[Platefire]

On the Vintage OD, just had to say we had kind of a run away church service today where we jammed on the same rocken song for a while and I got to really give this box a real workout(along with my fingers). The settings I came up with at rehearsal worked fine. I was so happy with the tones and response I got. Just turn the guitar volume down provides a nice fat chunky rhythem and turning the guitar volume full up was a nice singing lead with all the nice harmonic overtones that make you smile--and yes on a tele. A great experiance like this just re-calibrated all my ratings on this pedal way up. 

Platefire

[thermion]

sorry for the derail, but the talk about clock references reminded me of something recently at work. we have a cheat sheet for one of our instruments that directs the user to "insert the specimen holder and rotate it 180deg CW".
no problem, right?
a trained user came back and asked what CW meant, as well as another mysterious reference to "CCW" further down the cheat sheet, to which i replied "you know, like a clock.."
blank stare.
"you know, the round thing on the wall with numbers painted on it?"
blanker still...
"typically used to tell time..."
utterly dumbfounded, the user claimed they had no idea what that round thing on the wall was and never paid any attention to it. the clocks they knew only had 2 sets of numbers separated by a colon!
sign of the times?

[Platefire]

Well as the digital age progresses the old clock face is slowly disappearing but still hanging on. We have three electric clocks in our house with with the old clock face. I still wear a wrist watch with a digital read out but I don't know why because I also carry a cell phone that always has the time, just a habit I guess. Platefire

[Platefire]

Still having good experiances with the vintage OD--guess its found a home now. Platefire