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Offline micajah

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Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« on: March 31, 2014, 10:10:16 pm »
Trying to finish my 1484 refurb. When I got it it was missing the output transformer. I replaced it with a new Weber 1484 direct replacement transformer. I then replaced all of the electrolytic caps including the multi can (re-stuffedit to save space) and the drifted resistors as well as a couple of the caps that looked suspicious. I added a grounded 3-pin AC cord and disconnected the unnecessary ground switch. Replaced a bad 8 pin socket. Deoxed the other sockets as well as all the pots. Replaced the input jacks with switched and isolated jacks - grounding them back to the preamp tube with shielded wire.  Also added a switchable 4/8 ohm output jack.
Now I have a motorboat oscillation that varies from sub-audible to treble depending on the tone controls. This occurs on both channels when I turn them up. I can hear the amplified input but the motor boating is very strong overwhelming. Is it possible that the choke is bad? - it's the one thing I didn't check so far.
Im going to go over the work I did one more time to make sure I didn't get something wired incorrectly.
Any suggestions where to start?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2014, 10:37:11 pm »
This is most often caused by a reversal of the primary leads on the output transformer. On amps with negative feedback, this flipped condition turns your supposedly negative feedback into positive feedback = oscillation most often called "motorboating". Just flip the primary leads on the output transformer and you'll probably be done if everything else is good. In situations like this, when you are replacing the output tranny with a different type, even if it is a so-called "direct replacement", you really cannot predict which way will be right...so the good thing to do is to leave the wires to the OT long, do not make any special effort to dress them or route them neatly, and just tack solder them to your output tube plates. Fire up. You have a 50% chance of success but for the most part you can't predict which way will be right.

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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2014, 11:38:45 pm »
This is most often caused by a reversal of the primary leads on the output transformer. ...

There's no feedback loop from the OT secondary shown on the 1484 schematic, so it can't be caused by reversed leads (unless his amp has a non-stock feedback loop added).

... replaced all of the electrolytic caps including the multi can (re-stuffedit to save space) ... Replaced the input jacks with switched and isolated jacks - grounding them back to the preamp tube with shielded wire.  ...

Now I have a motorboat oscillation that varies ... depending on the tone controls. ...

But the oscillation goes away when you turn down the volume controls?

Does it start if you have both volumes on zero, then turn up only one? Or do you have to turn up both volume knobs to get the oscillation?
« Last Edit: April 03, 2014, 04:52:12 pm by HotBluePlates »

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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2014, 11:07:10 am »
Does it start if you have both volumes on zero, then turn up only one? Or do you have to turn up both volume knobs to get the oscillation?
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With volume down - just very slight hum, but if I open up either volume control it goes into oscillation.
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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2014, 01:35:49 pm »
If the oscillation goes away when the volumes are turned down, then it is originating before the volume controls.

You mention hum if the volumes are off. All these could be related... You restuffed the cap can, and if you do not have good ground paths from the preamp to the filter cap feeding those stages, you can get motorboating. Since the cap can fed the preamp stages, I'd look to an error with its wiring (specifically ground) or poor connection to the preamp grounds.

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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2014, 09:37:20 pm »
This is most often caused by a reversal of the primary leads on the output transformer.
Yeah - didn't seem to make a difference. on the volume knob If 7:00 is 0 then it starts oscillating at 9:00. Als o noticed something else - If volume is down and I tap on any of the pre-amp tubes (1-5) with a chopstick I get a lot of snap crackle & popping noise that dies off after a few seconds. Have to keep digging - couldn't have been that easy.
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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2014, 10:47:16 am »
On your statement of "Deoxed" tube sockets and pots. I have seen a lot of issues in my amps that came from preamp socket not making good contact with the tube pins. Especially on older amps. What I do is I spray contact cleaner in the socket and also on the preamp tube pins and insert the tube in the socket working the tube up and down several times in the socket before the cleaner drys. I would revisit that and give it a try. I am also assuming that you have tried known good preamp tubes substitutes in each location to see if that made a difference? Platefire
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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2014, 01:47:52 pm »
check for bad filtering and/or bad filter cap

frequently, at low volume the motorboating won't be heard even if the problem is AFTER the volume pot. Many times i have experienced with motorboating caused by no cathode resistor bypass caps on the power tubes, in a cathode bias amplifiers. At low volume, eerything was fine, with volume form 5 to 10, heavy motorboating would appear.

But, most of the time,  insufficient filtering is the cause of it.
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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2014, 04:39:55 pm »
Ok- retensioned and cleaned the 9 pin sockets again - got rid of the snap crackle pop but motorboating is still there. Moving on.
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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2014, 04:56:19 pm »
... motorboating is still there. ...

Poor ground (especially from 1st tube grounds to filter cap grounds) or incorrect/insufficient filter cap re-stuff.

Ideally, the preamp gain stage has the ground end of its cathode resistor directly connected to the - end of the filter cap feeding that stage. If you grounded to the chassis for one (or both), triple-check those grounds approach 0Ω

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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2014, 08:14:27 pm »
OK - tracked the motor boating problem down - When I bought this amp it was missing the OT. And it was obvious that someone else had done some fixin' - some of the caps were already replaced etc. I ASSumed that they were all replaced correctly. Well on V1, the electrolytic between the cathode pins 8 & 3 was hooked up not to a ground via a terminal strip, but to the strip connector next to the grounding connector which was a leg of the power supply. Wont ASSume anything is correct again (maybe that was why the OT want bad.)
Switched it to the correct connector and now I have no more motor boating.
In fact the amp is quiet.  No hum or buzz. Too quiet. Another problem to track down.
Input one can just barely be heard turned all the way up with the guitar all the way up. This is obviously not right.
Input two is much louder - but not what I expect when I turn it all the way up. Seems like it should be louder.
Also seems to breakup real easy. But on the positive side - I can hear and adjust tremolo. But no reverb. Though before when it was motor boating I could swear if I turned up the reverb knob and knocked the tank I could hear it.
I switched tubes thinking it may be the prob. No change.
So back to the circuit tracing.
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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2014, 09:10:06 pm »
The reverb on these amps is notoriously unreliable, and when it works it sounds like crap. If you can't get it to work it isn't a big loss....but any reverb issues are usually broken connections inside the tank.

If you have a way to trace the signal through the amp with a sig gen and scope, then you can quickly spot the problem area in the circuit to deal with the low volume. You can also rig up a signal tracer with a chopstick, a coupling cap, and a speaker. The resistors on these amps were poor quality 20% tolerance when new and they are often the problem. The caps aren't the best either....anyway you should trace the signal stage by stage until you find the problem.

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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2014, 12:33:17 am »
Started checking voltages - here's what I found.
Voltages on pins 1 and 6 of preamp V1 should be 100 - pin 1 is 74v, 6 is 134

on the Rectifier array the B+ should be 480V, its 370V
On the output tubes V7 & V8 pins 3 should have 475v its 480.
I've attached schematics - the original from the manual and a re-drawn.
I'm thinking the PT may be going bad. Anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2014, 12:34:31 am »

Correction - On the output tubes V7 & V8 pins 3 should have 475v its 380V.
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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2014, 08:20:14 am »
Started checking voltages - here's what I found.
Voltages on pins 1 and 6 of preamp V1 should be 100 - pin 1 is 74v, 6 is 134

on the Rectifier array the B+ should be 480V, its 370V
On the output tubes V7 & V8 pins 3 should have 475v its 480.

If sounds like voltages are off everywhere.  It might be helpful to notate voltages on either side of all plate resistors, on either side of each filter cap, and either side of the choke.   I say either side of each filter cap because, although usually the (-) is 0vdc, in a 1484  C26,C27,and C28 all have +vdc on the (-) side with reference to the circuit's 0vdc ground.

Perhaps, if one of the diodes C1,D2,D3,D4 has failed you'd have a 25% less B+ (like you are seeing? --Im not sure on this type of power supply).

either way, noting the voltages will help you track down the problem.

regarding the V1 plate voltages. both plate resistors, R7 and R8 are both 220K and the share the same B+ source. Plus they share a cathode resistor. so if the tube is a good one, and both R7 and R8 are "good",  both should have similar voltages.   If not, its either a bad triode (or a bad socket), or a problem with that plate resistor.

same goes for the reverb driver's 2 plate resistors, R45 and R46.  make sure you've got voltage drop across them.  On a 1484, these are 1/2W resistors.  They flow more than 1/2W !!  so they are prone to failure.

while you are checking voltages, put the amp on standby, turn the volume knobs up and take grid voltage measurements.  should be abt. 0vdc.  on all triodes. If not, start to look for a leaky coupling cap.

how's the bias voltage supply?  voltage on pin 5 of the 6L6's?


(are you noting a pattern here? :-)  I want to see voltages!! :-D )

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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2014, 12:05:27 pm »
I'm thinking you have some kind of goofballism in your power supply, for want of a better term. The PS on this amp is...semi-bizarre. It is two voltage doublers stacked on top of each other, and judging by your reading of the 6L6 plate voltage, you're missing about 100 volts somewhere.

Consider the stack of caps, from low to high, C29, C28, C27, C26. The neg of C29 should be ground or zero volts. Moving up that stack, the "+" of every cap should have about 120-125 more volts than the prior one, eg; the "+ of C29 and the "-" of C28 should be about 120 volts, the "+" of C28 and the "-" of C27 should be about 240-250, the "+" of C27 and the "-" of C26 should be about 360 volts, and the king of the hill, C26 "+" should be your 480 volts. Seems to me like one of those four caps could be bad. But see if you have that progression of voltages up the stack. Realize that if, for example, one of the lower members of the totem pole is bad, it will take about 100-120 volts away from everyone above. Right?  

The bad news is that if one of those is bad, the wise move would be to replace all of them.

The second highest point in the stack, the junction of C26 and C27 (should: about 360 v) feeds the choke which then feeds the preamp stages (the drawing is a tad confusing, the voltages are high on the left and low on the right for those two series 68K resistors which is sort of backwards. Check those volts. The electrolytic cap C25 the 3-way, could have a bad section.

Although the symptom you describe "motorboating" is not especially a pointer to "bad caps", there is no avoiding checking those caps and the voltages which should be present on them. We call those points in the power supply "nodes" because they are the source points for a series of voltages that are fed to the various stages in the amp. You have to be very certain the voltages on those nodes are within reason....they can vary somewhat....but start with the C29-28-27-26 stack and make sure that is in order.

By the way, the death cap in this amp, C31, as switched by SW4, is something you probably want to remove in favor of a three-wire AC input cord.

And by the way #2, you noted a mis-wired repair. Of course, you'll have to measure volts and all that. But also, inspect solder joints things carefully ("all over the place") and look for a difference in patina or finish, eg; look for any "new" (meaning, non-factory) ones. That could lead you to look at other things.

In the 80's I worked at a factory where I was in charge of fixing stuff that came right off the assembly line and failed initial test = first power-up. Normally, when you open something up on your bench you're entitled to make an assumption---that it was indeed working at some point. I couldn't make that assumption. Sometimes, Consuela put all her diodes in backwards that day and the things flat out would not work. Of course, I was used to looking for such things, especially if a flood of that particular model suddenly started failing at the "initial power-up station". Sometimes there would be 50 units (these were little CRT monitors) that could be repaired in about 1.5 minutes each by flipping those diodes around. Sometimes she got the electrolytics in backwards...and above the gal who ran the power-up station, the foil insulation in the ceiling looked like it was blasted by a shotgun with the number of holes made by blowing-up e-caps. Incidentally, this is where I encountered backwards-marked diodes and if you think that would fry your brain, that would be correct.

With a botched repair or an incomplete repair (which it sounds like you have) you really have to look at just about everything that might have been messed with. Nuff said.

But to reiterate, you have to have that power-supply cap stack set up right as a prerequisite for any form of good operation.



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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2014, 04:25:50 pm »
I'm thinking you have some kind of goofballism in your power supply, for want of a better term. The PS on this amp is...semi-bizarre. It is two voltage doublers stacked on top of each other, and judging by your reading of the 6L6 plate voltage, you're missing about 100 volts somewhere.

Consider the stack of caps, from low to high, C29, C28, C27, C26. The neg of C29 should be ground or zero volts. Moving up that stack, the "+" of every cap should have about 120-125 more volts than the prior one, eg; the "+ of C29 and the "-" of C28 should be about 120 volts, the "+" of C28 and the "-" of C27 should be about 240-250, the "+" of C27 and the "-" of C26 should be about 360 volts, and the king of the hill, C26 "+" should be your 480 volts. Seems to me like one of those four caps could be bad. But see if you have that progression of voltages up the stack. Realize that if, for example, one of the lower members of the totem pole is bad, it will take about 100-120 volts away from everyone above. Right?  

The bad news is that if one of those is bad, the wise move would be to replace all of them.

The second highest point in the stack, the junction of C26 and C27 (should: about 360 v) feeds the choke which then feeds the preamp stages (the drawing is a tad confusing, the voltages are high on the left and low on the right for those two series 68K resistors which is sort of backwards. Check those volts. The electrolytic cap C25 the 3-way, could have a bad section.

Although the symptom you describe "motorboating" is not especially a pointer to "bad caps", there is no avoiding checking those caps and the voltages which should be present on them. We call those points in the power supply "nodes" because they are the source points for a series of voltages that are fed to the various stages in the amp. You have to be very certain the voltages on those nodes are within reason....they can vary somewhat....but start with the C29-28-27-26 stack and make sure that is in order.

By the way, the death cap in this amp, C31, as switched by SW4, is something you probably want to remove in favor of a three-wire AC input cord.
Eleventeen - you hit it right on the head. the plus side of C27 was mis-wired and that's where the voltage drop was. Now it's back to about 475V. I knew it wasn't the Cap can C25 - I replaced all those. Also I put in a 3-wire AC cord and removed the unnecessary death cap.
Now the plate voltages on V1 are 107 and 118. Bias on the output tubes Pin 5 are V7 - -32.42, V8 -32.53.
Now all I got to do is trace down a big hum on channel 1.  It's silent when the volume is down but very discernible when you turn it up.
Channel 2 is great - tremolo works, but the signal is not being fed to the reverb. If I knock on the tank with the reverb up I can hear the spring through the speakers but no feed from the output.
Thanks for all your input.

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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2014, 09:01:21 pm »
Well...that's progress, good.

Next: Just confirm you have good volts on the reverb driver tube (the 6-7-8 section of V4) and the plates of 6CG7 V5. I assume you have no scope, but the reverb can requires more than millivolt-level drive...hence, you should be able to read some level of AC on the cold side of C18, an .02 uf if you give the input of the amp some kind of signal. Also on the grid of the reverb driver, V5 pin 7. Much better to use a radio or CD player instead of a guitar as a signal source so that you do not have one hand on the grounded guitar strings and the other poking around the innards of the amp. Across your heart. Don't take that risk. Try swapping V3 with V5...both 6CG7. Both tubes have to be in, you can't just pull out V3, it's your phase splitter and has to be there to drive the output tubes so that you can hear the amp's output. The "cold side" of a given cap is that side that DOES NOT connect to a tube plate, so it should not have any kind of big volts on it. Just signal, ideally.

Assuming we now have reasonably in the ballpark plate voltages everywhere, now you start paying attention to cathode voltages. Those puny little .8 volts, 1.5 volts, .2 volts are VERY important because they tell you whether a tube section is working. If the tube is conducting current (eg; "working") then a voltage differential will be developed across the various cathode resistors and that's what produces those little, but non-zero cathode voltage readings. They may seem puny compared to your 475 volts and your 360 volts but they are a big deal. If you cathode(s) read zero, that tube isn't working. Obviously, you also have to pay attention to any changed parts surrounding the reverb driver section.

This probably has nothing to do with your first stage hum, though, it relates to your reverb. Your tone controls work?


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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2014, 01:03:43 am »
Tracked down channel 1 hum to the volume pot. Re-cleaned it and replaced the 100k resistor and then re-flowed the solder on all the connections. Now it sounds great - the hum is still there but it matches channel 2 and is probably as good as it going to get. Going to try to get the reverb running. I know the output from the tank is working because when I turn the reverb control up and knock on the tank I can hear it spring through the speaker. It just doesn't seem to be getting any feed.
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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2014, 09:43:38 pm »
Well...that's progress, good.

Next: Just confirm you have good volts on the reverb driver tube (the 6-7-8 section of V4) and the plates of 6CG7 V5. I assume you have no scope, but the reverb can requires more than millivolt-level drive...hence, you should be able to read some level of AC on the cold side of C18, an .02 uf if you give the input of the amp some kind of signal. Also on the grid of the reverb driver, V5 pin 7. Much better to use a radio or CD player instead of a guitar as a signal source so that you do not have one hand on the grounded guitar strings and the other poking around the innards of the amp. Across your heart. Don't take that risk. Try swapping V3 with V5...both 6CG7. Both tubes have to be in, you can't just pull out V3, it's your phase splitter and has to be there to drive the output tubes so that you can hear the amp's output. The "cold side" of a given cap is that side that DOES NOT connect to a tube plate, so it should not have any kind of big volts on it. Just signal, ideally.

Assuming we now have reasonably in the ballpark plate voltages everywhere, now you start paying attention to cathode voltages. Those puny little .8 volts, 1.5 volts, .2 volts are VERY important because they tell you whether a tube section is working. If the tube is conducting current (eg; "working") then a voltage differential will be developed across the various cathode resistors and that's what produces those little, but non-zero cathode voltage readings. They may seem puny compared to your 475 volts and your 360 volts but they are a big deal. If you cathode(s) read zero, that tube isn't working. Obviously, you also have to pay attention to any changed parts surrounding the reverb driver section.

This probably has nothing to do with your first stage hum, though, it relates to your reverb. Your tone controls work?
Checked all the voltages and double-check my work - all are within spec and no mistakes. I used a signal tracer to track it all the way to the tank input. I think the piezo on the input end of the tank  is dead. I know the other end is working because I can hear it through the speaker when I knock on the tank. So I may just leave it alone or do something like the mod I found on Dougs circuits - Ive attached a PDF would love to see what you think.

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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2014, 11:26:38 pm »
Blah...the cloud ate my reply...


Without saying the mod you linked will work, it seems quite feasible to change the driver ckt to "accutronics" type. The question is whether you are willing to 1: invest the $$ for a transformer, 2: same for a reverb tank---can be a short one, and sometimes you can get used ones for $10 or so, but you have to consider the specs below.....without good scrounging skills and taking the chance on a used one, you could spend $60 in parts and freight to get the tranny and tank. Plus you'll have to experiment some to end up with a reverb knob operation that's normal (eg; you want reverb, you twist the knob to 9-10-11 o'clock) and to end up with a reasonable wet-dry mix. Quite doable, but it will take some time.


The BIG challenge and possibly the impossible one is to fit that stuff into the existing chassis. Those Silvertones, IIRC, are very very tight, and your pix seem to agree with that distant memory of mine.


Accutronics tank specs:


The industry standard for years, the Type 4 is still manufactured today using Hammond's original design. Four counter wound and coupled springs deliver superior mechanical performance and the classic sound that helped make the Fender Twin Reverb Amps famous.
[/size]Outer channel dimensions are 16.75" Length x 4.375" Width x 1.313" Height.[/color]
[/size]The following is an example of how the reverb schematic is laid out.
PART NUMBERING SPECIFICATIONS FOR TYPE 1 & TYPE 4
EXAMPLE: 4EB2C1B
DIGIT #1 - REVERB TYPE
1 for Type 1 or 4 for Type 4
DIGIT #2 - INPUT IMPEDANCE
A = 8 Ohm 
B = 150 Ohm
C = 200 Ohm
 D = 250 Ohm
E = 600 Ohm
F = 1475 Ohm
DIGIT #3 - OUTPUT IMPEDANCE 
A = 500 Ohm
B = 2250 Ohm
C = 10000 Ohm
DIGIT #4 - DECAY TIME 
1 = Short (1.2 to 2.0 sec)
2 = Medium (1.75 to 3.0 sec)
3 = Long (2.75 to 4.0 sec)
DIGIT #5 - CONNECTORS 
A = Input Grounded / Output Grounded
B = Input Grounded / Output Insulated
C = Input Insulated / Output Grounded
D = Input Insulated / Output Insulated
E = No Outer Channel
DIGIT #6 - LOCKING DEVICES 
1 = No Lock
DIGIT #7 - MOUNTING PLANE 
A = Horizontal Open Side Up
B = Horizontal Open Side Down
C = Vertical Connectors Up
D = Vertical Connectors Down
E = On End Input Up
F = On End Output Up 




The issue, and this will not be the only case of this you encounter if you start building stuff....is whether you want to invest the time and the parts into something you may not be able to get working. It shouldn't be that tough, but if there's no room, there's no room. (You can use a short reverb can, those work just fine)
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Re: Silvertone 1484 motorboating
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2014, 10:21:34 pm »

Checked all the voltages and double-check my work - all are within spec and no mistakes. I used a signal tracer to track it all the way to the tank input. I think the piezo on the input end of the tank  is dead. I know the other end is working because I can hear it through the speaker when I knock on the tank. So I may just leave it alone or do something like the mod I found on Dougs circuits - Ive attached a PDF would love to see what you think.


That circuit looks interesting and may work, but the biggest problem as has been said is fitting any other tank in the head. There just isn't room to do it. I modified the piss out of my brother's 1484 years ago and added a Fender circuit along with the reverb transformer, a proper tank, etc., and redid the whole tube order in the preamp so the circuit flowed in order of the gain like a Fender does. It works well and sounds good, but we had to build a new, taller head box for it. It was a pain in the ass on that amp due to the rats nest wiring and space being such an issue. If you want to read about it, do a search for posts by me from like 8 or 9 years ago and you'll find the info. I happen to have a 1484 that has working reverb and it sounds super cheesy....if it stopped working I wouldn't bother fixing it.


Greg

 


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