Welcome To the Hoffman Amplifiers Forum

September 07, 2025, 03:28:29 am
guest image
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
-User Name
-Password



Hoffman Amps Forum image Author Topic: Vibratone/Leslie build  (Read 28727 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline TIMBO

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2878
  • Blues Forever
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Vibratone/Leslie build
« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2014, 07:14:13 pm »
Hey jeff, As this one does not have a built in amp, you would have a designated amp to use it, with an ABY switch to split your guitar signal.
OR, use one amp and connect the main speaker in parallel.

Offline G._Hoffman

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 1417
  • I love tube amps
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Vibratone/Leslie build
« Reply #51 on: November 02, 2014, 01:57:39 am »
VERY cool.
 
When you use this, is this the only speaker connected to the amp?

It can be, or you can use it in combination with another speaker, which makes it a bit more subtle.  You just need to follow the basic rules for matching impedance, and for parallel and/or series matching.  I've got a switch I made with some high power relays that switches between either of the two speakers (the one in my 18 watt combo, or the one in the "Leslie"), or both, which also switches between the 8ohm and 4ohm taps on the OT.  (Wired in such a way as to make it impossible to leave things "open," of course.)


Gabriel

Offline jeff

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 1238
  • Need input
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Vibratone/Leslie build
« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2014, 05:47:33 am »
I'd love to see that schematic for your switching.
I wondered if Leslies are usually used with a dry speaker cab so the signal gets canceled and/or reinforced as the leslie spins.

Which do you prefer leslie alone or two speakers?

Also did you ever try playing with the phase of the two speakers?

Again, great job on the build Timbo!
 
« Last Edit: November 03, 2014, 05:50:47 am by jeff »

Offline sluckey

  • Level 5
  • *******
  • Posts: 5075
    • Sluckey Amps
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Vibratone/Leslie build
« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2014, 07:12:04 am »
The original Leslie 16/18 (Fender Vibratone) was meant to operate with the normal speaker of an amplifier. But there was a crossover network that would send the amp's output thru a low pass filter (L1 and C2) to the amp's normal speaker and thru a high pass filter C3 (inside the Leslie) to the Leslie speaker. So, both speakers were in use when the Leslie was on. Turning the Leslie footswitch off disconnected the amp's output to the Leslie cabinet and also bypassed the low pass crossover so the amp's output hit the amp's speaker directly. (see attached wiring diagram)

I've never played with reversing the phasing of the Leslie. I have used the Lelsie as the only speaker and also just in parallel with the amp's speaker. I don't have a crossover but have considered building one. The Leslie effect is very pronounced either way. It sounds different depending on where you stand.

The only thing I'd like to change about mine is the slow speed. I wish it was a little faster. I've noticed that when switching from fast to slow the motors hit an intermediate speed that give a slow swirling sound, almost like panning, but different. I like that sound a lot.
A schematic, layout, and hi-rez pics are very useful for troubleshooting your amp. Don't wait to be asked. JUST DO IT!

Offline jeff

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 1238
  • Need input
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Vibratone/Leslie build
« Reply #54 on: November 03, 2014, 09:56:25 pm »
I'm with you on that. Slow's too slow fast is too fast. Variable speed would be nice but I don't think itJs possible with those motors.
It says P1 connects to S2, but the numbers don't seem to match up.
Trust the numbers or trust the position?
 
« Last Edit: November 03, 2014, 10:03:38 pm by jeff »

Offline G._Hoffman

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 1417
  • I love tube amps
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Vibratone/Leslie build
« Reply #55 on: November 06, 2014, 07:44:39 pm »
I'd love to see that schematic for your switching.
I wondered if Leslies are usually used with a dry speaker cab so the signal gets canceled and/or reinforced as the leslie spins.

Which do you prefer leslie alone or two speakers?

It's pretty simple - just a couple of relays and some driver jfets.  I used a Tyco RTE24006, which is fine for my 18 watt, but may not be sufficient for a larger amp.  Also, the power supply is pretty simple, and worked fine for me, but you may need to do something a bit more elaborate.

It's not a question of whether it's better with or without the static speaker, but which better for the song.  Also, the phase shouldn't make much difference, because the phase of the Leslie changes throughout the spin, so you would just have the same phase relationships, at opposite sides of the spin. 


I'm with you on that. Slow's too slow fast is too fast. Variable speed would be nice but I don't think itJs possible with those motors.
It says P1 connects to S2, but the numbers don't seem to match up.
Trust the numbers or trust the position?


You can do variable speed with induction motors, but it really isn't simple - at least not electronically.  You need something called a VFD (Variable Frequency Drive).  Induction motors speed is a function of the frequency of the AC power and the number of poles on the motor.  In order to vary the speed of the motor, you vary the frequency of the power, but (as always) there is a problem.  Obviously, in any inductor the impedance varies with frequency, so as you slow down the motor you will draw more current, and you can burn out your motor.  And of course, as you speed up the motor you'll draw less current and can just stall your motor. 

So, you either need to limit the range of the speed, or you need to limit the current at the same time as you vary the frequency.  There are a couple of commercial units that are designed to give variable speed to single speed Leslies, but they are a bit pricy (search for Leslie 2-speed conversion, if you wish).  The variable frequency part is actually pretty simple to design (a few diodes to give your self + and -60V rails, and an big MOSFET H bridge controlled by a variable frequency oscillator), but to limit the current you either need put in a bi-polar current limiter of some sort, or vary the voltage of both rails.  The voltage is easier, but you need to do so of really rather high currents, so you can't just whack in a LM317 or similar voltage regulator.  Honestly, if I could afford it, I'd probably just buy one of the commercial versions, as it's quite a lot of engineering.


Gabriel

Offline sluckey

  • Level 5
  • *******
  • Posts: 5075
    • Sluckey Amps
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Vibratone/Leslie build
« Reply #56 on: November 06, 2014, 08:25:09 pm »
Quote
It says P1 connects to S2, but the numbers don't seem to match up.
Trust the numbers or trust the position?
Trust the numbers. They shuffled the positions so the schematic would not look all jumbled up.
A schematic, layout, and hi-rez pics are very useful for troubleshooting your amp. Don't wait to be asked. JUST DO IT!

Offline jeff

  • Level 3
  • ***
  • Posts: 1238
  • Need input
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Vibratone/Leslie build
« Reply #57 on: November 06, 2014, 11:32:43 pm »
Cool cool.
Thanks
Jeff

Offline TIMBO

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2878
  • Blues Forever
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Vibratone/Leslie build
« Reply #58 on: October 12, 2017, 02:41:10 am »
Hi guys, Had another wheel to put good use.





Offline sluckey

  • Level 5
  • *******
  • Posts: 5075
    • Sluckey Amps
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Vibratone/Leslie build
« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2017, 06:55:30 am »
That's a very nice looking cabinet design!
A schematic, layout, and hi-rez pics are very useful for troubleshooting your amp. Don't wait to be asked. JUST DO IT!

Offline TIMBO

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2878
  • Blues Forever
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Vibratone/Leslie build
« Reply #60 on: October 12, 2017, 02:04:04 pm »
Thanks mate, Much smaller and lighter, can be picked up and carried with one hand (handle on one side)

I think the horizontal spread works better as well.

Offline Willabe

  • Global Moderator
  • Level 5
  • ******
  • Posts: 10524
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Vibratone/Leslie build
« Reply #61 on: October 12, 2017, 09:00:50 pm »
Yes, very nice, clever design!  :bravo1:

Offline TIMBO

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2878
  • Blues Forever
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Vibratone/Leslie build
« Reply #62 on: October 17, 2017, 01:34:14 am »
Thanks mate, This is how I did the switching.

Offline Willabe

  • Global Moderator
  • Level 5
  • ******
  • Posts: 10524
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Vibratone/Leslie build
« Reply #63 on: October 18, 2017, 09:12:27 pm »
Tim do you have a diagram with measurements of this new cab?  :icon_biggrin:

 

Offline TIMBO

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2878
  • Blues Forever
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Vibratone/Leslie build
« Reply #64 on: October 25, 2017, 01:54:45 pm »
Hi Willabe, The design is very basic.
Base measures 490mm x 490mm
Height 400mm
The taper at the front is 200mm up from the base and is set in 50mm.
The workings are all mounted on the one board and is removed through the base.
There is another board that is fixed flush to the bottom is seal the cab.
Hope this helps. :icon_biggrin:

Offline Willabe

  • Global Moderator
  • Level 5
  • ******
  • Posts: 10524
Hoffman Amps Forum image
Re: Vibratone/Leslie build
« Reply #65 on: October 25, 2017, 07:35:43 pm »
Hope this helps. :icon_biggrin:

Yes it does, thank you Timbo!  :icon_biggrin:

 


Choose a link from the
Hoffman Amplifiers parts catalog
Mobile Device
Catalog Link
Yard Sale
Discontinued
Misc. Hardware
What's New Board Building
 Parts
Amp trim
Handles
Lamps
Diodes
Hoffman Turret
 Boards
Channel
Switching
Resistors Fender Eyelet
 Boards
Screws/Nuts
Washers
Jacks/Plugs
Connectors
Misc Eyelet
Boards
Tools
Capacitors Custom Boards
Tubes
Valves
Pots
Knobs
Fuses/Cords Chassis
Tube
Sockets
Switches Wire
Cable


Handy Links
Tube Amp Library
Tube Amp
Schematics library
Design a custom Eyelet or
Turret Board
DIY Layout Creator
File analyzer program
DIY Layout Creator
File library
Transformer Wiring
Diagrams
Hoffmanamps
Facebook page
Hoffman Amplifiers
Discount Program