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Building a Tele
« on: October 01, 2015, 06:00:44 am »
I thought some of you guys who have never built a guitar but have been interested in trying might be interested in this thread.

Flame maple (left over from another project) over alder.

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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2015, 06:01:35 am »
Adding a decorative strip in the middle

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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2015, 06:02:13 am »
Analine dye

You can NOT tell from the photos, but the guitar has an arm rest meaning the maple top was bent/arched over for comfort.  And there is a tummy cut on the back similar to a strat but not quite as intense.
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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2015, 06:23:12 am »
Poor quality picture.  Neck headstock was laminated with some quilt maple veneer
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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2015, 08:57:36 am »
Hey now, that's looking great T!    :icon_biggrin:

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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2015, 11:48:52 am »
Tutorial condensed version.  Dan Erlwine has a great book on this.

Sand body down to 220 grit.

"Pop" the flame by applying water based analine dye to top. Sand off the dye.  Repeat 2-3 times. The flames now start looking MUCH more pronounced.

If open grain wood like mahogany and you want it filled:  I prefer to dye the back and sides, then add wood filler, sand smooth and dye it again.  Others will fill, sand and dye.   Sometimes I leave it open grained & just dye it.

I only use a t-shirt rag for the sunburst as I like the burst to be subtle and fade from one color to another and NOT have a crisp spray line.  I've sprayed a burst and did not like it and sanded it off and started over.  I don't like the crisp line type sunbursts on Fender guitars or on some Carvin guitars. Particularly the black edged sunbursts.  Look at PRS or Tom Anderson guitars for an idea for a good sunburst. Print off a picture and have it displayed near your work bench as a reference.

I mix up my water based analine dye to my preference and have tested it on scrap wood.  I simply dip the rag into the dye and wipe it on to the wood gently using a circular motion.   (I only use alcohol analine dye for a solid red guitar)

To do the bursts like I do them.  You need yellow, amber, red, and a brown (with some red in it).  Those 4 colors will give you lots and lots of options to mix.

The sunburst:  Analine dye with weak yellow dye.  Lightly sand.  Analine dye with amber.  Sand again and then reapply amber a 2nd time. These are across all the top.  This is part of the "popping" the flame stuff I refered to.

Mix your accent darker color to taste.  Do a first pass application around edges of about 1 inch. Now take a t-shirt rag and gently fade that from inside to outside edge.  Now do a 2nd pass about 1.5" - 2" and fade from inside to outside again.  This will leave you a color change that darkens as it moves to the edge with the yellow/amber burst in the middle of the top.

Now take a slightly water dampened  t-shirt rag and soak it with Windex.  Yes, Windex!  Start in middle and wipe to edges. Continue doing this until you have a gentle sunburst fade that is subtle.  Then you look at it and wipe and fade wherever you feel like it helps the appearance to get a finished sunburst that you like.  Let it dry for about 20 minutes and come back with a slightly water dampened rag & apply Windex again and wipe down the entire guitar starting with the top in the middle to edges.

I use two rags for two colors on the top and a different rag (for a total of 3) for the side/backs.  I use several more rags for the water/Windex wiping.

This is NOT hard to do. You just have to use your eyes to shape the sunburst to what you want.  It takes me about 15-20 minutes to dye a guitar with a sunburst top using a rag.

Let it dry overnight.  The next morning it will look pretty washed out, faded, 1 dimensional and like a failure.  It's not !
(if you did it right).   It will take about 4-7 coats of lacquer to restore the brilliance and intensity of the color and figured wood.

I use Deft Clear Wood finish OR  Min-Wax Lacquer (Home Depot) and after 7 coats sand very lightly with 320-400 grit.  Add 7 more coats and same thing. Add 7 more coats for about 21 coats total.  This takes 2-3 spray cans.

(NOTE:  I think the Deft Clear Wood finish is more transparent.  I think the Min-Wax lacquer is easier to work with and polish out)

At 21 coats I start sanding with 800 grit and go to 1000-1200 grit using a block sander which is very critical.  A good flat orbital sander will work as a start. Then I use blocks of wood with sandpaper.  This is ALL done wet sanding.  You must stop and wipe the top numerous times with a dry towel to check the sanding.

When the "orange peel" is sanded out, you will probably have about 12 coats of lacquer thickness left and half of the initial lacquer has been sanded off.

By hand, I use blocks of wood covered with t-shirt rags and Meguire's (auto)  Ultimate polish. And I polish very very very gently in circular motions until a glassy super high gloss that looks wet.  It takes about 3 hrs minimum to polish a guitar top for me.   I do very little polishing on sides and back. I don't care if they look more semi-gloss.   A tip is if you have a 1/4" foam pad, you can wrap a t-shirt rage around it and that will add in polishing.

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335 on left is Min-Wax lacquer     Tele on right is Deft Clear Wood Finish    Both guitars done using this method
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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2015, 09:08:42 pm »
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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2015, 06:15:27 am »
Wow that 335 looks GREAT!  Awesome work as usual!


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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2015, 01:21:13 pm »
Guitar continues to come together.  I'm happy with how it's looking overall & think it will be a good sounding guitar.

Headstock is now polished. Graphite nut temporarily set in place for the neck set up. I ran a very fine whetstone over some of the frets above the 12th fret.  Not much was removed doing that.  Looks like the original fret job was reasonably well done for an inexpensive replacement neck.

I added some quilt/flame veneer on the headstock.  It is extremely thin but looks pretty nice, IMO. I've never done a "sunburst" on a headstock before so the look is kind of unique but I like it.

The original tortoise shell Tele Thinline pickguard has been redone and is dramatically smaller allowing much more of the figured wood to show.

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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2015, 06:18:07 am »
Stunning guitar - have fun with it!

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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2015, 06:17:45 am »
Not completely finished.  Haven't wired the pickups yet or done the neck set up and intonation. I'm going to use "top hat" Gibson type knobs
but they haven't arrived yet.  And it still needs the graphite string-Tees installed.

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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2015, 10:23:04 am »
Man you do beautiful work!!!!!!!!     :icon_biggrin:

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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2015, 06:38:22 pm »
But look how far apart those strings are!
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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2015, 07:01:10 pm »
But look how far apart those strings are!

 :laugh:     He's got big hands!!!!!!!!

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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2015, 10:43:11 am »
OK!   Set up, tuned up, wired up and it sounds FABULOUS !   Ironically, this was a  really inexpensive neck ($39) and it's perhaps the nicest feel neck of any guitar I've built.  Go figure!

It has Alnico 3 in the neck and Alnico 2 in the bridge.  The DPDT mini-toggle goes from parallel to series switching which is a very useful mod.

The body is 1/8" thicker then my other Tele's & when you strum this one unplugged ............... the body resonants like crazy!!!  Very very vibratnt.

Not my best looking build but may possibly be the best sounding?

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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2015, 04:07:08 pm »
This Tele was built as "the electric guitar" for my church as a gift.  It ended up sounding better then either of my personal Tele's.  It's just got this incredible resonant bright/warm balance expressive vibe to it.  Hard to explain. Really great sounding guitar.  I love it!

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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2015, 10:53:07 am »
Let me add my voice to the chorus: Tremendous looking guitar!! And if it sounds better than it looks (as you appear to be saying), then you really made something incredible. Great job!!

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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2015, 11:33:21 pm »
Fabulous guitar build!   :worthy1:


Did you come up with chambering pattern yourself or is it based on some other Tele clone?


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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2015, 04:59:44 am »
Chip,

This was my own chambering pattern.  IF I am not using an arm rest or belly contour, then I simply make the chambers to extend to 5/8" of the side of the guitar. 

Because the alder blank was reasonably lightweight and because I was using an arm rest with about a 3/16" drop and a belly contour,  I did this way. 

I did the same thing on my own flamed maple guitar that is from the same wood but with no pickguard (in the photo of the 3 Tele's). My flamed top Tele was made out of prima vera wood which is a very very light weight white mahogany.

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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2016, 12:37:36 pm »
LOVE it! Funny how Jimbo only commented on the 335 (but typically consistent  :laugh: )
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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2016, 02:38:12 pm »
I don't know what you are talking about....

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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2016, 03:01:39 pm »
(tele) ignorance is bliss  :sleepy2:
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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2016, 04:28:03 pm »
fabulous! that's a magnificent instrument!


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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2016, 09:44:20 am »
Thanks guys!    (minus Jim of course   :icon_biggrin:)

This particular Tele sounds incredible in a band mix! I've heard all 3 of them in the same band and this is the one that has "that" great warm tone.  Maybe the alder wood back?

Jeff

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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #24 on: February 29, 2016, 02:33:33 am »
Always great work.

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Re: Building a Tele
« Reply #25 on: February 29, 2016, 02:33:14 pm »
You're like Ted Greene with all those Teles in the backyard.


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I can't find a pix of him in his yard with the 5-6 Teles he had. They are in Chord Chemistry, perhaps the greatest guitar chord book ever published.
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