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Offline tdvt

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Another 5F2A build
« on: January 20, 2016, 02:32:57 pm »
 Just fired up my first build (scratch or otherwise) today, a 5f2A, & I am happy to report that it works without any issues!


It was in large part due to all the shared expertise here, as I have been pouring over the board trying to get back a small bit of the electronics knowledge that I once had.

 
Anyway, THANKS to all the more experienced guys who take the time to offer advice & guidance.


I stayed with Doug’s board layout but wish I had added the extra filter stage when I made the board, but didn’t find that thread until after. But, I made provisions to add it easily if needed, which I’m not sure it is.


I would say it’s very quiet, but not silent. There seems to be a small amount of hiss when it’s turned way up. But it’s at least as quiet as any of my other amps (Fenders, Ampegs)


The only thing I would like to do is possibly tune the tone controls as the amp seems heavy on bass.  I DID use an over-sized SE OT (20W, that I had on hand for another project) so I wondering if this is the root of the extra bass? I am not adverse to putting a smaller OT in either.


Playing through it with a HB/SC Tele, it sounds very nice with the Tele bridge but the HB get much darker than I would like.


Suggestions?


And thanks again


TD

 
 

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2016, 08:34:53 pm »
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the amp seems heavy on bass

try lowering the V1a cathode cap from 25uf to 4.7uF.  if that didn't make you smile, try 470pF in place of the .001uf in the TS
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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2016, 08:51:36 pm »
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the amp seems heavy on bass

try lowering the V1a cathode cap from 25uf to 4.7uF.  if that didn't make you smile, try 470pF in place of the .001uf in the TS

Thanks, I will give both of those a try.

I thought I had read something about lowering the bypass cap to roll-off bass. I don't have that one on hand though, but should have the other.

TD

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2016, 09:19:51 pm »
... The only thing I would like to do is possibly tune the tone controls as the amp seems heavy on bass.  I DID use an over-sized SE OT (20W, that I had on hand for another project) so I wondering if this is the root of the extra bass? I am not adverse to putting a smaller OT in either. ...

You can buy another OT if you like which is under-sized like an original tweed Champ/Princeton. Then again, if you don't have another project in the works for that 20w OT, you just have an extra lump of iron sitting around.

But there are plenty of places to cut bass in that amp. Preamp tube cathode bypass is a good place to start. So are the 0.022uF coupling caps.

If it were my amp, I'd get it to sound largely how I like with the tone control half-up, so there's room on either side to adjust for different guitars. I'd personally change the tone control caps as a last resort (and even then most likely by making the cap to ground smaller so the amp didn't go as far into the "mud" range).

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2016, 06:49:07 am »
I had bought the 20W OT with the hope of building a parallel 6V6/6l6 SE harp amp but didn't get to it.

So, I figured I had it on hand & it would allow swapping output tubes (6L6, EL34) since it's up to the task. The PT is also more robust than a standard Champ but better matched to the amp than the OT.

If I can get the tone sorted I think I would just leave the 20W in, since it's all done.
I can always get another OT if I revive the harp amp project.

I'll start with the caps as you have suggested.


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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2016, 09:52:02 am »
 Thanks for the good suggestions to tame the bass in this amp.
I swapped out the first bypass cap to a 4.7uf  & the 1st coupling cap to a .01uf which helped dramatically.
I have ordered up several different cap values for future tuning, if need be.


Though I haven’t totally finished the cabinet yet, I cobbled it together enough to give the amp a shake down with both guitar & harp with a guy I play with. He especially liked it for harmonica, so it will stay as-is (w/adjusted cap values) to be used for a few dates at the end of the month as a harp amp. It seems that the harp guys are actually looking for some extra bottom end anyway, so it’s all good.
We swapped around rectifier tubes too & we both thought that the harp worked well with the 5Y3 but guitar sounded better with a GZ34 that I grabbed out of a BFPR. There was a roughly 35+V difference in  B+.


The cabinet is the same size as a Blues Jr & has a salvaged Rola 12”, one of a pair pulled from a Hammond. Interestingly , what I assume was the Hammond bass speaker (ribbed cone vs. smooth cone w/whizzer) sounded much better.


Looking ahead, I am thinking I would like to build another SE but with more headroom for cleans as this guy starts to break up at around 2/3 volume & gets grittier from there. It has very nice clean tones but they are obviously not loud at 5-6W or less.


What would be the most logical route to accomplish this? An additional stage &/or adjusting voltages/ component values?


Thanks, TD
 

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2016, 08:36:11 pm »
Looking ahead, I am thinking I would like to build another SE but with more headroom for cleans as this guy starts to break up at around 2/3 volume & gets grittier from there. It has very nice clean tones but they are obviously not loud at 5-6W or less.

Tell me what you mean by "more headroom". Do you need more clean volume in the room, or do you just want the distortion to set in at the same room-volume but higher on the volume knob?

These are 2 very different things. Also I'd call this amp maybe 3-4w. If you wanted a meaningful step up in room-volume, you'd likely need to switch to a 5E3 Deluxe, which is exactly what Fender did in the old days.

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2016, 08:41:07 pm »
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I am thinking I would like to build another SE but with more headroom for cleans as this guy starts to break up at around 2/3 volume & gets grittier from there. It has very nice clean tones but they are obviously not loud at 5-6W or less

use the same *design*, but beef it up to run a 6L6 or KT88
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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2016, 09:47:48 pm »
I am liking the SE sound pretty well & realize the limitations. So I would say the overall volume is OK & I think it will be well-suited as a harp amp, which we are mic-ing anyway.

But it would be nice to build one that gets a similar room volume but that stays cleaner longer.


The amp I just finished should be able to run the larger tubes with the PT/OT that it has. Any recommendations on component changes for the output stage? I might use it as a test subject before starting another.

 
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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2016, 12:12:48 am »
... the overall volume is OK ... we are mic-ing anyway.

But it would be nice to build one that gets a similar room volume but that stays cleaner longer. ...

This simplifies things a LOT. We can set aside the typical path of a bigger output tube/OT/PT.

The most organic & simplest way to go is Swap your preamp tube for a lower-gain 12A_7 type. If you already have a 5751, 12AT7, 12AY7 and/or 12AU7, you can swap each of those into the preamp tube socket to get a lower gain structure.

Maybe you want the gain to stay exactly like it is, but only want existing sounds shifted to a different Volume knob setting. Start by measuring your present volume pot from wipe to ground with the knob set halfway. A 10% taper volume pot should read ~100kΩ (+/- a little) at half-up. A lot of typical audio pots are more like 20-30% taper (200-300kΩ @ half-up) which will have the effect of bringing up volume (and distortion) faster. If this is the case with yours, swapping a true 10% taper audio pot may tame the gain back enough for you.
  • NOTE: The stock volume control in a 5F2A was a linear 1MΩ pot. If you did indeed use a linear pot, it will absolutely do what you're describing; i.e., all the volume change seems to happen from 1-3 and everything after is just more distortion. So if you used a linear pot, getting an audio taper pot (whether 10%, 20% or 30%) will sound like a big improvement in available sweep of clean volume.

Maybe you want to play in a range of the volume control that more on the verge of clean/dirty and rarely turn the volume control full-up (too dirty or not where you'd like to keep it most of the time). You could add some series resistance between the coupling cap out of the 1st stage and the Volume pot. You might even use a ~250kΩ pot wired as a rheostat to figure out which value of fixed resistance works best for you. What you'd listen for is the acceptable amount of volume/gain reduction at the max pot setting, along with usable sweep left in the existing volume pot. Replace your rheostat with a fixed resistor of the same value and you're done. You might want the wire from the Volume pot to the Tone control wiper to be moved to the junction of the coupling cap & newly-added resistor (or try both and see which works best for you).

Of all, the first thing to do is check the taper of the existing volume pot. If it's linear, swap for an audio and test again. If that's still not enough, you can try any or all of the above.

Last ditch is actually changing some cathode resistor values to alter the actual gain in the preamp stages.

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2016, 11:28:13 am »
Thanks for your reply.

I believe that it's an audio taper pot as that is what is spec'ed in Doug's BOM, which I used as a guide to order what I was missing. But I will double-check it.

I will plan to try the adjustable resistor idea but think I will leave it for now until it's gets an official shakedown at a few dates.


I AM intrigued with bumping up the output stage as a possibility as well. It is loud enough now for mic-ed gigging & practice but a little louder wouldn't hurt anything either. As I mentioned to OT/PT are already over-sized.

Thanks again,

TD

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2016, 01:02:59 pm »
I believe that it's an audio taper pot as that is what is spec'ed in Doug's BOM, which I used as a guide to order what I was missing. But I will double-check it.

Gotcha. It likely is an audio taper pot in your amp for the reason you said. I was looking at the original Fender 5F2-A schematic/layout. The linear pot designation is shown on the layout portion.

So it looks like the easiest first change is swapping preamp tube types to see if that nets you enough change.

... I AM intrigued with bumping up the output stage as a possibility as well. It is loud enough now for mic-ed gigging & practice but a little louder wouldn't hurt anything either. As I mentioned to OT/PT are already over-sized. ...

I don't know which specific PT/OT you're using.

Let's say your OT can be configured to reflect half the primary impedance it has now. Let's also say your PT can supply double the B+ current it does now. B+ voltage is the same.

With the above scenario, you get the same output tube voltage swing (because B+ hasn't been made larger) by having double-current swing through half-primary-impedance. Power = Voltage * Current, and this scenario is Voltage * (2 * Current) = 2 * Power. So you'll move up from ~4w to ~8w.

Double-power is not "WOW!" loudness increase. Kagliostro posted a graphic in another thread which shows the increase of loudness going from ~4w to ~8w is equivalent to turning up a volume knob from just under "4" to just under "5".

This is why I suggested a 5E3 Deluxe as the next step up in apparent clean power. However, it's complicated... Using a bigger output tube like a 6L6 will necessitate a larger bias voltage, which will require a bigger drive signal from the preamp to reach full clean output power. That will seem like the dirt starts on a higher volume knob setting ("perceived headroom increase"). That may/may not fulfill your requirements.

Of course, if your PT will support the heater current you could just plug in a 6L6. Output power will not go up just by plugging in the 6L6 but you will have the effect of increased bias/higher volume knob setting. That may be enough, or you could combine it with a lower-mu preamp tube. In my opinion these are fine changes, but in your application that may be all the difference needed.
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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2016, 01:08:33 pm »
Excellent posts, HBP, as usual. Thank you!

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2016, 02:15:17 pm »
Yes, Thank You! 
They are excellent posts & appreciate the time taken to reply.


I pulled the sheets on the PT & OT used in this amp.
The PT is a 275-0-275 @/100mA. 3A of heater current.


The OT, which I had purchased a while ago for a more ambitious project, is a 20W SE with 2K3 & 3K primaries & 4,& 16 Ohm secondaries.  I currently have it hooked with the 3K primary & I am using the 4 Ohm tap for an 8 Ohm speaker, for an effective 6K primary (6V6).  I think this was the right way around to get close to the correct input for the 6V6.


I thought I had written down more voltages, but with a 5Y3, B+ was 306V & with the GZ34, B+ was 343V.
I measured P8 of the 6V6, but only with the 5Y3, which was 17.48V.
V1/P1 were 148V & 169V depending on the rectifier tube.


As I mentioned, it sounds better for harp with the low B+ but I wouldn’t mind swapping out tubes etc. to hear the differences before I start another.
 
Thanks ,
 
TD


Isn't a 5E3 P-P?

 

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2016, 04:24:17 pm »

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2016, 05:20:21 pm »
Isn't a 5E3 P-P?

Yes. What I was suggesting there is stepping up to a whole different amp in order to get more clean output power & headroom. This amp also has the same tone control that you have now (and another channel, but we'll ignore that), so it's the most logical step up from what you have.

... effective 6K primary (6V6). ... with a 5Y3, B+ was 306V & with the GZ34, B+ was 343V.
I measured P8 of the 6V6, but only with the 5Y3, which was 17.48V.

Now we can analyze your output stage.

17.48v/470Ω = 37mA of cathode current; pretend it's all plate current. Fully-driven, the 6V6 could ideally swing from idle up to 74mA and down to 0mA (37mA peak in each direction). 37mA * 6kΩ = 222v peak plate voltage swing. 222v * 37mA = 8.2w peak power, or 4.1w RMS output power.

PT should be sized to at least deliver 37mA * 0.7071 = 26mA plus the idle 37mA = ~63mA, plus screen current and preamp current. 70-80mA is likely more than enough, and well under your 100mA rating.

... The PT is a 275-0-275 @/100mA. 3A of heater current. The OT ... is a 20W SE with 2K3 & 3K primaries & 4,& 16 Ohm secondaries.  ... with a 5Y3, B+ was 306V & with the GZ34, B+ was 343V. ...

Going with the preferred lower B+ voltage, 6L6 variants at 100% dissipation will idle at:
6L6 (19w)               -> 62mA
6L6GB/5881 (24w) -> 78mA
6L6GC (30w)          -> 98mA

Peak plate current in the output stage will be double each of those. Taking RMS value of the peak and adding to the idle current, we get 106mA (19w 6L6), 133mA (24w 6L6GB/5881) and 167mA (30w 6L6GC). With the higher B+ you quoted, the currents required would be 94mA (6L6), 120mA (6L6GB) and 149mA (6L6GC). And your B+ will sag lower than your present measurements because of the increased current draw. So that gives you an idea of how much current capacity you'll need to get every last watt out of your upgrade to a 6L6.

But the 106mA draw for the 19w 6L6 at 305v B+ is essentially within your PT's capabilities, so let's roll with that one for further calculation.

We will have a 62mA peak current across our OT primary impedance, with 2.3kΩ, 3kΩ, 4.6kΩ and 6kΩ as readily available impedances. Peak voltage swing for 62mA across each of these will be:
2.3kΩ: 142.6v peak
3kΩ:    186v peak
4.6kΩ: 285.2v peak
6kΩ:    372v peak

Obviously the 6kΩ impedance is excluded because the peak voltage swing would exceed the B+ voltage. The 4.6kΩ would be good, but you'd need the 343v B+ to leave 343v-285v = ~60v of plate voltage across the tube for it to function properly. So the 3kΩ condition looks usable with the 4.3kΩ condition a possibility if we change some things.

The 3kΩ's 186v peak times the 62mA peak current yields 11.5w peak, or ~5.75w RMS output power. The 4.6kΩ 285v peak would yield ~17.7w peak or 8.8w RMS output power.


I ran numbers for other tactics, like using a solid-state rectifier to boost B+. However, if you wanted to get 20w RMS output power, you'll be looking at parallel 6L6's (or some tube which swings comparable current). At 400v, a 6L6GC could idle at 75mA, with 75mA peak current or 150mA peak for the parallel pair. 150mA peak * 2.3kΩ = 345v peak (well within the 400v B+), and 150mA peak * 345v peak = 51.75w peak or ~25.9w RMS. Your OT could pass that with somewhat restricted bandwidth.

However we don't have the rating specified for maximum unbalanced d.c. I'd need to know that to know if 2x 6L6GC's is viable in the condition I gave. Your PT would have to be 450v / 1.414 = ~320-0-320v minimum @ ~130mA plus screen current for 2x output tubes and preamp current.

You see how everything depends on everything else, and uprating any one part isn't sufficient to get more real power output/headroom on its own...

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2016, 06:45:58 pm »
 WOW!  This reply is above & beyond…. & greatly appreciated!



If it’s any consolation, it is actually making sense to me & believe I am following the line of reason.


I had started down the path, calculating the cathode current but then lost my way, the AC/ P-P/ RMS things can throw me off big time. I will certainly refer to this tutorial again!
I also didn’t appreciate the differences between the 6L6 variants, it seems that will really make a huge difference choosing the correct components. Nor did I appreciate the power requirements of the SE output as compared to a P-P.

I will have work through the steps a few more times to digest it all.


How does the “unbalanced DC” PT rating figure in & is that a typical spec?


I suppose this a "single-ended" quest as we have several smaller P-P amps in the band "pool"; BF & SF PR, Blues & Pro Jr, SF Deluxe as well as a few larger ones.



Thanks again for being so generous with your time and carrying many of us along
 
Best, TD
 

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2016, 07:29:39 pm »
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I suppose this   a "single-ended" quest
IS?
If so, All but 1 of my builds have been SE, and they are big 'ol heaters, and heavy.
I like PSE.  They range in Power from about 8W to 16, did 1 QuadSE that measured about 23W.
Run them through a 2X or 4X and you'll keep up p-p bigger boys :icon_biggrin:
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2016, 09:07:24 pm »
If it’s any consolation, it is actually making sense to me & believe I am following the line of reason.

That's good! There is some unstated background I'm not explaining, and the approach I've used is back-of-napkin and generally assumes the output tube is an ideal device. In all cases where the tube deviates from the ideal, the result is less-than-calculated clean output power.

A pre-requisite for understanding this stuff is basic Ohm Law, the Equation for Power, and basic properties of a.c. & d.c. voltage, current and resistance/impedance. If you know those things, you can pick up the rest over time.

I also didn’t appreciate the differences between the 6L6 variants, it seems that will really make a huge difference choosing the correct components.

Well, it may not make a huge difference to total clean power output...

I brought up the different 6L6 versions because any big device can be used at less than its full capabilities. So you could idle a 6L6GC at 19w, and get less power output. This may matter if you want to build an amp and not care which 6L6 variant winds up in the socket. If you build to take advantage of everything a 6L6GC can do, the 19w 6L6 (and some modern Russian types sold as "6L6") or the 6L6GB/5881 (or Russian & Chinese tubes sold as 6L6's) may not fare well in the socket.

I might be overestimating the PT requirement some in my examples. Also, a PT can usually have more than the rated current drawn from a winding, but the voltage output will sag.

My examples also gloss over some of the complications, like selecting the required bias voltage and how that adds to the required B+, as well as calculating the cathode bias resistor to use. But output stage design is an iterative process, and I just worked the first-pass to see if it was worth bothering to take any particular condition further.

How does the “unbalanced DC” PT rating figure in & is that a typical spec?

Not every OT you buy will have that specified. But if you're doing something uniquely your own (or not copying a known-good circuit), you should know that rating.

Look at this page of Hammond SE OT's. The 125FSE is a 20w SE OT with multiple secondary taps which can be loaded to give a number of primary impedances. Note the 3rd column in the table says, "Maximum D.C. Bias". That is the maximum direct current you can pass through the primary as idle current for your output tubes.

Transformers work by the magnetic energy from the power applied to one winding and using the core to transfer that energy to another winding. There is a maximum amount of magnetic energy a core of a particular size can handle & transfer; if you try to apply more energy to that core beyond the max,  the core just saturates and no additional energy is transferred to the other winding.

Standing d.c. (idle bias current) uses up a chunk of that energy handling ability, and single-ended transformers are specially designed to cope with it. But they are also only designed to handle a certain, reasonable amount, hence the maximum rating.

In a push-pull OT, the B+ power is applied at a midpoint in a winding, and flows in opposite directions to either opposite end. If the tubes attached at either end have the exact same idle currents, the magnetic energy of the idle current to one end offsets the magnetic energy of the idle current to the opposite end, and none of the core's capability is used up. That's "balanced d.c."

SE OT's may be rated to handle unbalanced d.c. of up to several-hundred mA's (for a VERY big SE OT), while a push-pull OT may not be able to handle much unbalanced d.c. That's because there is a special construction feature to a SE OT for this task and they are very large for their rated power; while push-pull OT's take advantage of the presumed nearly-balanced d.c., lack the SE model's construction feature and generally use a much smaller core for the same rated power.

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2016, 01:27:03 pm »
Finally back to this,

Thanks for another very informative post!

I had a year of electronics school many years ago & the "V over I/R" triangle is still burned into my brain, so I still have that to help me along.

I looked at the data sheet for the OT (They are both from Musical Power Supplies) & there is an operating voltage maximum of 450Vdc & an output power rating of 20VA. I am not clear on the whole volt/amp thing.

Is the unbalanced DC capacity "calculate-able" from those numbers?

I had wondered what made SE transformers separate/different from P-P,  it's sort of just a "given". Thanks for explaining it!

Best, TD

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2016, 01:30:44 pm »
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I suppose this   a "single-ended" quest
IS?
If so, All but 1 of my builds have been SE, and they are big 'ol heaters, and heavy.
I like PSE.  They range in Power from about 8W to 16, did 1 QuadSE that measured about 23W.
Run them through a 2X or 4X and you'll keep up p-p bigger boys :icon_biggrin:
Either way, you *get* the math n science taught here n you'll be set either way

I'll never be able to type well........

I'd be interested in hearing about your SE builds.

Best,

TD

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2016, 03:44:23 pm »
It's good to know exact spec's to get the most out any power tube, valuable info.

But the first thing HBP said was try a different 12a_7, try a 5751. This will decrease the gain factor from 100 to around 70, with the 6V6. Also the type and brand of 6V6 matters too, a JJ 6V6 is more like a 6L6 in a 6V6 form. You'll get more headroom with the 5751 and a JJ 6V6.

I been fooling with a BF Vibro Champ, trying a 6L6, checking the bias, upgrading that little OT and changing the cathode values in the first and second stage. Seems a lot of people like to lower the stock 22uf to anywhere from 1 to 4.7uf, this will cut bass, flab and make the amp sound like it's cleaner. The 5751 will help with less gain and again sound like more headroom. The amp is what it is, you can always build a PP 6V6 for more power.

If you're mic-ing the amp, find the tone you like and turn the PA up. They have pedals that can add back the gain. Ibanez TS-10 is a good one still cheap on ebay and only a few resistor changes away from being a TS-8.

Nice tread with a lot of info.

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2016, 06:09:47 pm »
I looked at the data sheet for the OT (They are both from Musical Power Supplies) & there is an operating voltage maximum of 450Vdc & an output power rating of 20VA. I am not clear on the whole volt/amp thing.

Is the unbalanced DC capacity "calculate-able" from those numbers?

No, because the maximum d.c. current the OT can handle is not related to voltage. "VA" can be equated to "Watts" for most guitar amp uses, though technically VA is a different thing.

However, that site oddly includes the maximum d.c. on the Products Page (90mAdc for your OT), even though it's not on the spec sheet where it should be...

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2016, 08:54:23 pm »
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Below is the OT I like for PSE >10watts;  (pricey and takes a months)
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I go about my builds a little backwards, I *choose* a preamp circuit I like,
see what PA tubes I have , or haven't used before and then define my *specs*.

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2016, 09:56:05 am »
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SE builds

Below is the OT I like for PSE >10watts;  (pricey and takes a months)
I just yawns when I dime the amps :icon_biggrin:
I go about my builds a little backwards, I *choose* a preamp circuit I like,
see what PA tubes I have , or haven't used before and then define my *specs*.

I see a screen tap, never seen that before?
How much is it?
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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2016, 10:24:22 am »
The screen tap is 40%. The cost is $91.02.
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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2016, 11:30:31 am »
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The cost is $91.02
back when money was free :sad2:
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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2016, 12:01:30 pm »
I guess you just eliminate the the rail voltage to the 6V6 screen and use the screen tap on the OT?

If the voltage at the plate is say 375, does that mean the voltage to the screen is 225 (60% of 375) if using the screen tap?

Seems low...? What is the advantage of having such a low screen to plate voltage?

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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2016, 12:05:02 pm »
No, not 60% of voltage, 60% is to be referred to the impedance of the section of the winding


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Re: Another 5F2A build
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2016, 01:47:38 pm »
Oh, ok
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