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Joe B. playing Lazy
« on: January 06, 2017, 05:31:33 am »
I thought this was a pretty cool tune!  Great vocals, organ and guitar on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69EcnxJmnd4

I think this song was done by some other group once?  Maybe Jim might know since he's kind of into obscure little known groups and guitarists?

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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2017, 06:33:12 am »
Well done!
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Re: Joe B. playing Lazy
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2017, 11:31:18 am »
Man I like this, but I am a huge fan of Joe's anyway.

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Re: Joe B. playing Lazy
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2017, 02:48:00 pm »
The JB's are cookin :m6 :m7

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Re: Joe B. playing Lazy
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2017, 04:53:59 pm »
Great tone, timing's on the money. Love the B3. Bands great, notice all the guys are older than J. Bonamassa.

BUT, I think they needed a few more close ups of the drummer!  :huh:

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Re: Joe B. playing Lazy
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2017, 09:35:08 pm »
Ok, I LOVE Jimmy Barns.  He is a relatively unknown (in the US) screamer with the best of them.  Michael Rhodes is on bass.  He is an accomplished COUNTRY thumper!  Did you see him a-head-bobbin'!  Too cool...  Drummer is Anton Fig, who can drum with the very best. Arlan Schierbaum is on keys.  He is Joe's keyboard guy.  He needs to throw away the Moogerfooger that he keeps diddling!!!  It sounds like crap!  Just blast away or use ONLY the ring modulator feature.  Joe....Joe....Joe....  Not a fan.  Although this is the FIRST time I've heard him do something that doesn't sound like an Eric Johnson seminar.  Brad Whitford. :worthy1:   After Brad's first solo Joe should have put his guitar down and listened to someone with something to say on the guitar, instead of wanking off for another 5 minutes.  Brad is the glue that held Aerosmith together.  Certainly anchored this one too.


Just my humble opinion!  Flame away all you Joey B fans!!! :cussing:


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Re: Joe B. playing Lazy
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2017, 09:36:23 am »
Jim, I do get your opinion and Joe does do a lot of the Cliffs of Dover sounding string runs like EJ.  I also know he spent over a year just doing this so he could learn it.  It is not his jamming that makes me a fan, but his understanding of the song.  I have a link for you where I feel it shows more to the man than just guitar.  Maybe open you mind a touch and listen to the album this comes from.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTG-bCMG05E

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Re: Joe B. playing Lazy
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2017, 09:40:31 am »
"Rusted Strings on my Old Guitar speaks volumes of who you are."  What a Killer line.  She is so special she makes him put his guitar away.  Maybe too sappy for some, but I wish I could write like that.

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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2017, 12:58:12 pm »
Haha!  I knew I would get a reply from you!  I LOVE Glenn Hughes.  I think he is one on the top ten singers of all time.  I like his writing and melodies.  And his voice for a guy his age, or ANY age for that matter, is simply unbelievable!  I really really really really want to love Black Country Communion.  And Glenn gushes over Joe.  In my humble opinion, Joe completely ruins this band.  It's like he is constantly fighting the direction, groove, and tone of the band.  I'll relate it to a personal experience years ago.  We auditioned a drummer for our ROCK band.  He was super talented, BUT, with a jazz background.  He couldn't stay in the basic beat without going crazy after a few bars with all sorts of crazy fills and back beats.  Very similar to the way Joe has ruined Glenn's band, oil and water.  Again, IMHO, it seems he is caught up in his own hype.  I just can't get into what this guy is doing as it seems he does not have his own identity.  HOWEVER, I will give your link a listen!

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Re: Joe B. playing Lazy
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2017, 01:15:01 pm »
Will Joe Bonamassa be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame? He'll be eligible in 2019.
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Re: Joe B. playing Lazy
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2017, 02:32:07 pm »
Will Joe Bonamassa be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame? He'll be eligible in 2019.
Sluckey, I guess thats all what Rock is considered them.

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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2017, 02:39:43 pm »
Haha!  I knew I would get a reply from you!  I LOVE Glenn Hughes.  I think he is one on the top ten singers of all time.  I like his writing and melodies.  And his voice for a guy his age, or ANY age for that matter, is simply unbelievable!  I really really really really want to love Black Country Communion.  And Glenn gushes over Joe.  In my humble opinion, Joe completely ruins this band.  It's like he is constantly fighting the direction, groove, and tone of the band.  I'll relate it to a personal experience years ago.  We auditioned a drummer for our ROCK band.  He was super talented, BUT, with a jazz background.  He couldn't stay in the basic beat without going crazy after a few bars with all sorts of crazy fills and back beats.  Very similar to the way Joe has ruined Glenn's band, oil and water.  Again, IMHO, it seems he is caught up in his own hype.  I just can't get into what this guy is doing as it seems he does not have his own identity.  HOWEVER, I will give your link a listen!

Jim
I am not disagreeing completely, I just think we sometimes do not give artists time to mature.  Also listen to Seesaw CD with Beth Hart singing and the band.  You have to remember I like Deep Purple, but I like a LOT of other music too.


Joe was like Kenny Wayne Shepard and every other young blues guitarist.  It is simply a passage for some and a trap for others and while he has done his share of hot dogging, I think we all have.  I remember distinctly when I learned people came to hear our band because of the beat and not so much guitar.  And you know those of us who have had really good bands are hard on others.


Let me know if you think he is overdoing it in this song.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdeWl1KaRv4




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Re: Joe B. playing Lazy
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2017, 11:58:31 am »
Flame away all you Joey B fans!!! :cussing:
Joe is one of the greatest guitarists of our generation and he really cant do any wrong in my book...period.
He has had to try to fit into this new era of 'the music buisness' and he has built himself a career by adapting to many different situations and just ripping everyone else's heads off along the way. He's shared a stage with many BIG names and never once been out-shadowed. (especially by Whitford - you are kidding right?)
Sure he sounds like Eric Johnson sometimes, but he's one of a few people that can play what Eric plays and take it to another level.
His "wanking" makes everyone else's wanking sound like spla-fukin-anking. (quote me on that)
 
 
"Rusted Strings on my Old Guitar speaks volumes of who you are."  What a Killer line.  She is so special she makes him put his guitar away.  Maybe too sappy for some, but I wish I could write like that.
I always knew you had much better taste than Jimbo.
 
That's one of my favorite songs that I found in the last few years as my shit was coming apart.
No overdoing it there and only the hint of a guitar solo. A little repetitive, and almost too much so, but for me a groin kicker of a song.
 
Let me know if you think he is overdoing it in this song.
Sounds like his best Les Paul (the man) impression...love it, and no, not overdoing it. Sounds similar to a track that LP would've put out himself
 
I'm humbled by JB's playing and it was very evident in this track that I'll never come close to this kind of command of the instrument.
Fast forward to 4:20, take a toke, and crank it up.
Who does he sound like here?...definitely ain't Jimmy E.  :rolleyes:     :d2: 
I kinda like when he overdoes it.....put's plenty of naysayers in thay place.
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Re: Joe B. playing Lazy
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2017, 03:06:42 pm »
Ok ok so he can chicken pick and ok ok he can sound like Brian Setzer and ok ok he can do an even BETTER Eric Johnson - and he even got about 70% of Ritchie's notes on the main Lazy run.  I can go to my local music store and hear the same thing out of a zit faced kid on any Saturday. My point is what does fricken JOE sound like?  Joe?  Bueller?  I don't think even he knows. He's been in the biz long enough to have "matured" into his own identity. He's a great session guitarist, I'll give you that!  And oh please, Brad Whitford has forgotten more about guitar playing than Joe will ever learn.


I'll give you a great example of a guy who followed a similar career path but DID mature into his own and that is Marc Bonilla. I can hear anything he has done and know immediately who is strumming.  And yes in the beginning he was figuring himself out.  But he did!  PLUS he didn't ruin one of my fav singers band....  I can name a whole SLEW of guitarists that you know from the first few notes or chords who it is.  Joe?  You got me, could be anyone.


SG, no I don't have a record deal but nobody sounds like me when I play, like it or not.


Not to get my into another one of my "hey you kids get off my lawn!" ramblings, but.... In this age of utoob and "have you got tabs for that?", nobody has had to sit down with their headphones on and run the grooves out of a record on 16 or ruin a tape playing it over and over trying to figure out a guitar lead or chords.  A magical thing happens when you do that, you don't get it quite right and you develop your OWN STYLE.  I haven't heard anything new in over 20 years.


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Re: Joe B. playing Lazy
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2017, 03:35:00 pm »
A magical thing happens and you develop your OWN STYLE.  I haven't heard anything new in over 20 years.
Wait a minute! I've sent you a countless amount of my own riffs and runs while demo'ing my stuff...! Where's Rodney Dangerfield's line when I need it?  :laugh:
PS, SG that's why I need those jazz tabs!!!!
You've always told me you don't understand all those chord voicings when I try to give you the four one one...now you want SG's?  :help:
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2017, 03:58:32 pm »
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I haven't heard anything new in over 20 years.
Neither have I. I quit listening to the radio when disco took over in the early '80s. Well, except for John Boy and Billy. But that was mostly about Robert D. Raiford. Everytime PRR comes up with another wise ole sayin', I think of Raiford.  :icon_biggrin:

But Joe is my boy. He's my link back to the stuff from the '60s and '70s that I love so much. If he had auditioned for DP back in the '60s y'all would have never heard of Blackmore!   :icon_biggrin:  Hey, just sayin'. I still love you Ritchie, even if you didn't make it to the HOF!

So now, you kids get off my lawn!
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Re: Joe B. playing Lazy
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2017, 04:09:52 pm »
Jojo, I'm talking about everyone BUT my friends here.... :icon_biggrin: :brushteeth:

Chord voicings?  If it's more than two stings barred or THREE at the most... :huh:

Oh I also forgot.  Ed, NOBODY listens to more diverse stuff than me.  I'm a passionate Purple fan but you would be surprised what I listen to....  Shut up Jojo...

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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2017, 04:13:53 pm »
If he had auditioned for DP back in the '60s y'all would have never heard of Blackmore!   :icon_biggrin:   


GASP!!!!! :huh:


Ugh, I feel so dirty after THAT comment....


Oh, that was a joke!  Ahhhh, sorry, a little slow at my age... :l4:


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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2017, 04:29:38 pm »
Fish on! :wink:

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Re: Joe B. playing Lazy
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2017, 06:30:01 pm »
but.... In this age of utoob and "have you got tabs for that?", nobody has had to sit down with their headphones on and run the grooves out of a record on 16 or ruin a tape playing it over and over trying to figure out a guitar lead or chords.  A magical thing happens when you do that, you don't get it quite right and you develop your OWN STYLE. 

I think that's true but I think it's the smaller part.

The bigger part is ear development.

You have to use your ears not your eyes to pull things off of recordings. There comes a point when you hear something you can just reach for it. I don't think most guys even realize that's what has happened. It's not just that they have already learned a lot of licks.

I often try to learn to play the melody of a lyric. When I'm out of practice I can't for the life of me 'reach' for the notes. But when I'm in practice, it's 80%, 90%, 95%+ on the mark. 

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Re: Joe B. playing Lazy
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2017, 08:01:50 pm »
Here's my rule of thumb ......................

IF the guitarist is better then I am (which doesn't take much obviously),  I refrain from criticizing them or their playing and simply say that I either like or dislike them & their playing .

Needless to say, I don't criticize very many people's playing & tend to enjoy ALOT of individuals playing!  If someone's having fun with it and they are humble enough to enjoy the playing of other's ............... I tend to be a fan of theirs.

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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2017, 10:16:41 pm »
Oh Tubenit, you are ruining all the fun....  I was finally just getting everyone's blood pressure up!!!  We haven't had a good discussion since....the last discussion SG and I had!!!  It's usually Willabe that spanks us! :sad2:

Haha! Joe's ok in my book.

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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2017, 10:25:16 pm »
Oh I also forgot.  Ed, NOBODY listens to more diverse stuff than me.  I'm a passionate Purple fan but you would be surprised what I listen to....  Shut up Jojo...

Oh boy...if they only knew???!!!!  :m15
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2017, 11:16:35 am »
I know you listen to diverse music Jim, but to state NOBODY listens to more diverse music than you is rather egocentric is it not?


I assure you my blood pressure is just fine.  I learned a long time ago everyone has the right to be right and the right to be wrong.  I do however applaud your integrity by sticking by your statements and will not take issue with anyone's personal music preference.  It is theirs to have.


What I do take issue with is someone stating that they have knowledge that is impossible to attain to attempt to form a argument.  So I will ask a simple question.  How did you find out that of all the people in the world, your music listening is the most diverse?


Better go get a home blood pressure kit and remember we were expressing our opinions, everyone was.  Make sure it is in check and then reply. :l2:


Joe playing guitar for Purple has got to be better than Steve Morse, who took Danny Gatton's  comment about playing out of key seriously and could you ask him to lighten up on pinch harmonics next time you see Morse?


And yes, I do know Jojo is not the Straw Man.

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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2017, 04:27:37 pm »
And yes, I do know Jojo is not the Straw Man.
Did my strawman disappear?  :w2:
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2017, 06:01:09 pm »
Ed I'm a guitar player, egocentricity is my middle name!  No I just didn't want you to think I ALWAYS have my Deep Purple blinders on! 


Hmmm Joey B for Stevie M?  SG would never forgive me and he's already ruined one deep purple singers band!  I'll remain neutral as usual because I don't like to stir things up around here, like SOME people....


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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2017, 08:06:09 pm »

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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2017, 05:37:49 am »
Ed I'm a guitar player, egocentricity is my middle name!  No I just didn't want you to think I ALWAYS have my Deep Purple blinders on! 


Hmmm Joey B for Stevie M?  SG would never forgive me and he's already ruined one deep purple singers band!  I'll remain neutral as usual because I don't like to stir things up around here, like SOME people....


Jimbob
I cannot believe you of all people would have given so easily.  Getting low T or something.
Your first issue with joe, and we all know it, is that he prefers Les Pauls, but will play a strat.  His Les Pauls are very old and stay in-tune.
Of all things, a cover of further on up the road and you are a "diverse" listener of music?

And if you would have read more closely, I began my statement by saying I know you listen to diverse music.

And yes, I am guilty of egocentricity, how can I not be.  I pose arguments based on someones comments that I know the writer did not think through. 
Thank you for letting it pass as I know you had a better comeback, didn't you?  You are just letting me slide, aren't you?

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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2017, 10:26:48 pm »
Ed,


Are we talking about the same Joey B?  The one in almost tears as he describes the FIRST Les Paul that Gibson made for him, "sniff"....  That showed up one day on his front porch like a lost puppy...  The Les Paul marked "Bonamasa Proto"?  There is only ONE marked this way!!!!  It's MINE!!!!!  The one where "I" came up with the idea of different knobs for the volume and tone (uhhh, no. please see Gary Moore and a slew of other real guitar players...), so I could adjust my guitar while I sing and keep eye contact with my adoring fans...."sniff"... The one "sniff, sniff" that changed my life!!! "sniff"  THE gold top Les Paul that I played FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS ON TOUR - these are REAL belt buckle scratches!!!!!  It's just....just....just....too overwhelming to talk about....  Because it's a part of ME!!!!!! :sad2:


And it's for sale right here at Normans Rare Guitars!  I'm sure one of my BEST fans will come out and purchase this important piece of MY history!  Because after all....it is all about ME! :icon_biggrin: 


Wait, what happened to the tears?!?!?!  (Where is the puking smiley?)


Ed, Ed, Ed.....  Search your mind, you know it to be true...I AM your daddy!  A tiny dose of humility would obviously cause a massive cardiac arrest of this guy's fragile psyche...  The only reason I posted those two vids is to show how coddled he was as a kid and how he played over Clapton in yet another self indulgent episode so much reminiscent of Prince-does-While-My-Guitar-Gently-Weeps-for-ME!-ME!-ME!-ME! 


The only reason you pose an argument (after you preface your comments with "I learned a long time ago that everyone has the right to be right and the right to be wrong."), is because you take issue with my right to be right!  I had post after post of "I think" and "IMHO", etc, etc...  And yet I am personally accused of being short sighted, being less than a man's man, and having an ego!!!  Ok, so you got me on those...  HOWEVER, I can assure you I DO have unobtainable knowledge!


Shut up Jojo!


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« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2017, 12:06:32 am »
Shut up Jojo!

 :l2:    Yeah, Shut up Jojo!

Wait, Jojo didn't say anything.  :dontknow:
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« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2017, 12:12:46 am »
And yet I am short sighted, less than a man's man, and having an ego!!!  Ok, so you got me on those...
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« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2017, 04:54:17 am »
Ed,


Are we talking about the same Joey B?  The one in almost tears as he describes the FIRST Les Paul that Gibson made for him, "sniff"....  That showed up one day on his front porch like a lost puppy...  The Les Paul marked "Bonamasa Proto"?  There is only ONE marked this way!!!!  It's MINE!!!!!  The one where "I" came up with the idea of different knobs for the volume and tone (uhhh, no. please see Gary Moore and a slew of other real guitar players...), so I could adjust my guitar while I sing and keep eye contact with my adoring fans...."sniff"... The one "sniff, sniff" that changed my life!!! "sniff"  THE gold top Les Paul that I played FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS ON TOUR - these are REAL belt buckle scratches!!!!!  It's just....just....just....too overwhelming to talk about....  Because it's a part of ME!!!!!! :sad2:


And it's for sale right here at Normans Rare Guitars!  I'm sure one of my BEST fans will come out and purchase this important piece of MY history!  Because after all....it is all about ME! :icon_biggrin: 


Wait, what happened to the tears?!?!?!  (Where is the puking smiley?)


Ed, Ed, Ed.....  Search your mind, you know it to be true...I AM your daddy!  A tiny dose of humility would obviously cause a massive cardiac arrest of this guy's fragile psyche...  The only reason I posted those two vids is to show how coddled he was as a kid and how he played over Clapton in yet another self indulgent episode so much reminiscent of Prince-does-While-My-Guitar-Gently-Weeps-for-ME!-ME!-ME!-ME! 


The only reason you pose an argument (after you preface your comments with "I learned a long time ago that everyone has the right to be right and the right to be wrong."), is because you take issue with my right to be right!  I had post after post of "I think" and "IMHO", etc, etc...  And yet I am personally accused of being short sighted, being less than a man's man, and having an ego!!!  Ok, so you got me on those...  HOWEVER, I can assure you I DO have unobtainable knowledge!


Shut up Jojo!


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That is so much better, well almost.  Only the part of your right to be right.  Everyone only has access to choices made based on their knowledge gained through time and experience.  It is a fact that you must think it before you decide and decide before you act.

And if every action is born in thought, one can only act on their own thoughts.  We cannot decide or act on what we do not know and you cannot know what you do not know.

These are universal truths, the big problem most have is they will NEVER believe we are not in control of the thoughts that come into our minds.  They think they have control over those thoughts so I ask you not to think of an Elephant stomping your Major.

Now that you are not thinking about the Elephant anymore :icon_biggrin: understand you have not real control of your mind.  And if you do not have control of your mind and every action is born in thought, well then, you are not in control of your actions.

And this is why you have the right to be right.  I certainly am not the person responsible for your thoughts and therefore it would be me thinking I control the universe if I believed you did not really believe you are right.  Based on my knowing others can only extract from their minds the knowledge they have to form their opinion, another truth.  And since my knowledge actually extracts the meaning of opinion, how could you possibly question my thoughts on your rights.  I am not in control of you thoughts, Elephant.  Only you can take actions such as writing you thoughts.

Now if I do know this, how is it possible for me to think you think you are not right?  You see, those who think they are right on opinion are delusional.  The only way to believe someone's opinion is wrong it to believe the thoughts that come into your head are controlled by you. Now Elephant, we know better than that.

So you see, it is only when someone believes their knowledge is superior to someone's opinion that the need to be right establishes itself. This is being egocentric as opinion is not based on fact, it is based on the thoughts in each of us and we have by now established we do not create thoughts, but follow them. Since if each individual believes what they think is right, and if I possess just a thread of humility, I will then understand it is possible for 2 differing opinions to be right.

Now would you like to speak on jealousy?

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« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2017, 10:53:34 am »
As a matter of fact, I would!  I am jealous you managed to craft a much longer response than mine!  And that is a FACT!  So therefore it is an absolute truth.  Much like my fact based opinions expressed above. Absolute truths. I never thought that you would have come to MY side of the tracks so easily!  You could have avoided all that typing by just saying, "Yup, I agree with you.  I have recognized the error of my ways and beg forgiveness, oh wise one!" Ok so I would even just accept that first part.


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« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2017, 11:08:22 am »
You could have avoided all that typing by just saying, "Yup, I agree with you.  I have recognized the error of my ways and beg forgiveness, oh wise one!" Ok so I would even just accept that first part.
This just reminded me of what was in the news yesterday just hours prior to Trump's inauguration and ambulance chaser Gloria Allred comes out from under her rock once again just prior to an election (read Calif Gov race btwn Jerry "moonbeam" Brown vs Meg Whitman and Mexican maid worker) to wrestle the spot light for her two minutes of infamy with another bimbo case of "he said she said"...they demand that Trump admit and apologize or it'll cost him >$25mil
 
Good things there's no money being blackmailed here with you two!?  :occasion14:  Now lets jam a nice little "blues-off" in the key Em a la JB & Eric and let the better gun slinger win!!!??? :icon_biggrin: :guitar1 :m11 :headbang:
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« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2017, 11:44:29 am »


Much like my fact based opinions.

Jim


Jojo, I can certainly tell you have a west coast attitude, Dude!  And I certainly am not going to mention anything negative about either, especially Clapton.  Even though I think no one could ever play like Jerry Reed.  Brent Mason is close.


Jim, Yup, you are right as you do have fact based opinions.


Now give a listen to a real guitar player.  Even Clapton said of Jerry Reed, be very cautious taking the stage after someone who can Sing, play rhythm and lead all at the same time and write a good enough song to bring Elvis out of retirement.

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« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2017, 12:00:19 pm »
That was awesome. It's funny how banjo pickers get applause like that when finger picking like that is actually pretty easy. I learned all kind of finger picking with my first songs going way back. I wonder how many players these days ever learn it and just go straight to the flat pick? If I don't pickup an acoustic for a while I get out of "picking shape".
 
Here's the vid that Jim referenced earlier that I'd not seen until now.
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« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2017, 03:14:51 pm »
Joe, that applause comes from what is now called Old Timey music.  Very few people play this style anymore, but it was the raw beginnings of Folk/Bluegrass.  This song I posted is one.  Also She'll be comin round the mountain when she comes.  Loads of it and I have often played it at festivals.  It was Bill Monroe first and then Laster Flatt and Earl Scruggs brought it into our living rooms.  Look it up, Old Timey.  You will recognize a lot of the stuff.  Funny thing is most of the music lyrics are very sad, but played in happy major keys.


To this day if you see a Old Timey group or Bluegrass, it is common for the audience to clap after a solo, but after Earl Scruggs basically reinvented the approach to Banjo, the Banjo players became the show.  Everyone awaits the banjo solo, but if someone can really flatpick a guitar and surprise the audience I have seen the applause take so long where the band has to go around a couple of times before the vocals start again.


If you knew the area well, you would know there are a lot of folks who do not have extra money to go see a concert, but they do go down to the Jam sessions which happen every weekend all through the Kentucky, Tennessee and NC areas mainly in the mountains.  For instance, from my house in Franklin I have 4 weekend Jam sessions every weekend.  If you extend it a few miles outside the city you will have 9.  That is what a lot the people do for weekend entertainment, every weekend.


I guess some Banjo rolls are easy, but I know a few that are no so easy.  When I first took up Scruggs Style Banjo the most difficult part was learning to use those metal finger picks and to make use of the 5th drone string.  I simply began wearing the finger picks all day long and then I got used to them quickly.  It is different tho.  I will say I really did not begin to learn music until I began adding bass run along with inversions up the neck.  I am still astounded how closely this style and Jazz have in common since to play it you must follow the changes because box playing does not fit.


I never use an Acoustic guitar to fingerpick.  I do not want to work that hard.  A big box guitar like an L5 works too well, but I also play every guitar using the thumb and 3 fingers.  I only use a flat pick if I am playing heavy stuff, but I can play so much faster and can get so many different tones using fingers and pick that when I do flatpick it feels like something is missing and even then I will still hybrid pick.


Playing with some old buddys weekend before last, we jammed on War Pigs and I found myself using my fingers on a lot of the riffs in the tune.  Habits you know.

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« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2017, 05:52:02 pm »
Oh man!  Now Jerry Reed is a guitar man's man's man!!!  I saw Jerry Reed at a rodeo in Iowa back in 1971 while on vacation with my family.  He played all sorts of jaw dropping tunes but got the biggest applause with When your hot your hot.  I'm like NOOOOO!!!  What are you people thinking!  This guy is a master!!!!  I love that old stuff.  I think Ricky Scaggs is about as close as you will get today.  If you have ever seen him?  Wow... :worthy1:




Fingerpicking...  I sent Jojo a Hawaiian slack key tune that I did on my dads 1938 Supro metal resonator guitar.  As a kid my dad tried to teach me how to fingerpick and i could never get it.  But, I found if I stood it up on the floor or in my lap like a stand up bass, I could do it better.  So that's how I played the tune for Jojo.  Habits you know!!! :laugh: 


Ed, you say bass run along with inversions up the neck resemble Jazz?  Are you sure?  I mean this is the best description of Jazz by the experts:


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« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2017, 10:09:55 pm »
Fingerpicking...  I sent Jojo a Hawaiian slack key tune that I did on my dads 1938 Supro metal resonator guitar.


Ed, you say bass run along with inversions up the neck resemble Jazz?  Are you sure?  I mean this is the best description of Jazz by the experts:
Firstly I have to call BS BillybobJim...that sounded waaay too good, too professional, and too well...Hawaiian to be you!? For a bro from Mo that can't even send a simple ukulele sample of his brand new custom uke he brought home from his recent island trip over the summer...again - I need visual proof! Please send even a quick 10 second vid of a simple turn-around? If true I will never doubt you again.

I think Ed is talking about what I was telling you a while back about learning chords not just in root positions but putting the 3rd in the bass, then the 5th, and finally the 7th for chord "inversions". They allow for real slick & fast changes as well as playing melody lines and/or leading tones while making your chord changes.

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« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2017, 10:20:15 pm »
Playing with some old buddys weekend before last, we jammed on War Pigs and I found myself using my fingers on a lot of the riffs in the tune.  Habits you know.
Ed, you don't happen to have an affinity for Big Mac's do you? ;)

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« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2017, 09:56:58 am »
Fingerpicking...  I sent Jojo a Hawaiian slack key tune that I did on my dads 1938 Supro metal resonator guitar.


Ed, you say bass run along with inversions up the neck resemble Jazz?  Are you sure?  I mean this is the best description of Jazz by the experts:
Firstly I have to call BS BillybobJim...that sounded waaay too good, too professional, and too well...Hawaiian to be you!? For a bro from Mo that can't even send a simple ukulele sample of his brand new custom uke he brought home from his recent island trip over the summer...again - I need visual proof! Please send even a quick 10 second vid of a simple turn-around? If true I will never doubt you again.

I think Ed is talking about what I was telling you a while back about learning chords not just in root positions but putting the 3rd in the bass, then the 5th, and finally the 7th for chord "inversions". They allow for real slick & fast changes as well as playing melody lines and/or leading tones while making your chord changes.
Yes, This is what I was talking about.  Jimmy Bruno's playing is one of the best examples and he does quit a bit of discussion about it on youtube.  It is nothing new of course.  Consider a 3 guitar band all playing the same root based chords, well you would not even need the other 2 rhythmically.
Years ago Wes Montgomery records caught my attention.  He only used a bare thumb to play, but listening I was confused on how he could make all those fluid lead and melody lines.  Well it is inversions I became to learn.  Then I saw Willie Nelson's hero, Django Rinehart playing with 2 fingers on his chording hand, Gypsy Jazz as it is called.  Then I began to understand how Willie wrote The Night Life Ain't no Good Life.  Funny this song is so popular and considered Country Music.

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« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2017, 06:47:57 pm »
Yes I know, great examples!  I was just trying to be humorous segueing into the video I posted....


You should know by now not to take what I say serious!


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