Mozilla Foxfire crashing.

[Willabe]

Last week my PC was freezing up and I started getting a popup box saying "Mozilla has crashed." So after a search for what to do, they said to uninstalled Mozilla, clean the registry, then reinstalled Mozilla, worked for a day.

The next morning, hit the space bar to wake up my PC, wouldn't wake up. I have to shut down from the PC tower, turn back on, then screen says "entering power save." So I have to do it a 2nd time, then I can log back on. But then it's freezing up again.

So I called a friend, he said it's not Mozilla but some other program that's messing up Mozilla. He said to uninstall Adobe Flash, Java and Mozilla, clean registry, reinstall all 3. So I did that, again worked for a day, next morning, PC wouldn't wake up, had to shut down/restart from the tower twice as explained above and then it was freezing up like before.

What am I missing?

I'm wondering if I need to uninstall Nvidia graphics card drivers at the same time with the other 3?

Here's the programs I have;         

[shooter]

my 1st step when things go sideways, if I can, I run task manager, all processes and see which one is gobblin cpu time and end process.  Then I surf for what's "this" program.

[Willabe]

This;

[shooter]

yup, look for processes that are running > say 50%, they may be "intermittent", I've had 2 bugs in the last year that hid inside regular programs, the last was a Microsoft program called presentation fonts(?).  It would spike to 99%, hang my browser.  I goggled, found how to "update" that program, bug killed.  Another option if you have a "go back" feature, pick a date before your "issues" and re-load from there.

[pompeiisneaks]

A lot of the troubleshooting steps you've done seem to indicate it's not firefox itself.  It could be a core OS problem, and/or a problem with the hardware.  One good thing to try next is there are apps to clean out the registry of old cruft/crap, I used to use 'regclean' all the time it removes all old stuff, and backs it up incase things go wrong, you can just double click it to restore them.  Another thing to try is a good app like 'spybot search and destroy' to clean up any adware that maybe interfering with Firefox itself, sometimes those get installed outside the main 'cache' via semi nefarious means.  This app usually finds quite a bit AND speeds up the PC by removing a lot of useless crap.  I don't know how many people's computer's I've "SAVED!" by doing these two tools.  The 'right' links for them would be:

(I guess regclean is no longer current, try CCleaner instead)
https://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download

Also here's spybot search and destroy, process would be to download the app, install, do updates, then do a full scan and clean.
https://www.safer-networking.org/

Also make sure you have the Micrsoft windows defender installed if you don't have a good paid AV app, it's actually pretty decent at keeping the machine clean.  (just disable Spybot Search and Destroy's active thing or don't enable it so they don't fight, I just us it for periodic manual scans after updating).

~Phil

[PRR]

FWIW, yesterday FireFox was going-dead after 10-20 pages on Home Depot site. Not crashed, just not rendering most of each page or allowing any clicks or text copy.

I am suspecting H-D changed a script and is giving FF indigestion (in a way that is not triggering a timeout or crash).

For more Mozilla aggro-- every time ThunderBird updates, something goes wrong with Calendar. *When* it works it is useful. But it stops working or just vanishes more often than I get dates to remember.

[pompeiisneaks]

I've stopped using Thunderbird this week because it's been SO slow lately, I happen to have Outlook, which I normally hate, but since it isn't as slow as thunderbird, I'm using it instead.  /sigh.

~Phil

[EL34]

Thunderbird works great for me
Never have any problems
But I don't use any of the other features like calendar

[pompeiisneaks]

I don't even use the calendar, they put in the calendar module in a previous release and you have to go in and shut it off manually, becuse it causes thunderbird to be brutally slow.  This is on my machine with 32 Gb ram, an 8 core CPU, Raid 0 dual SSD's with Dual SLI NVIDIA 900 series graphics cards.  The cpu is getting to be about 3 years old, but that's not a problem with the ram I have.   

Firefox has also become a bloated slow pig, thus why I moved to chrome.  (done by the same team as thunderbird, the mozilla project).

~Phil

[Willabe]

Thanks guys, a friend came by today and said he thinks my mother board is dying. 

We took the tower out in my garage, opened it up to blow it out but it was very clean, I cleaned it last year. He popped the Ram card out to see how much it was and wiggled my graphics card that I installed in the last year, we closed it back up and hooked it back up to the screen. Then he saved everything from my PC onto a 2TB Seagate portable drive he gave me just in case.
 
After he left I re-installed Mozilla Firefox and it's working great. 

BUT, I'll know in the morning after my PC goes to sleep tonight, if I can wake it up from my key board. That's when things have been going south.

It's an 8+ year old Dell with only 4Gb Ram. It's served me well but it's time to move on/up. But $$$$$$!         

[EL34]

Every now and then, I take my desktop boxes outside and use a leaf blower set on low speed to blow out all the dust.
A shop vac set to blow would probably also work

The fan blades, heat sinks and every nook and cranny gets very dusty.

I stand back a bit with the leaf blower and hit the inside and outside from all angles
It's amazing how must dust come out of the cases

[EL34]

I don't even use the calendar, they put in the calendar module in a previous release and you have to go in and shut it off manually, becuse it causes thunderbird to be brutally slow.  This is on my machine with 32 Gb ram, an 8 core CPU, Raid 0 dual SSD's with Dual SLI NVIDIA 900 series graphics cards.  The cpu is getting to be about 3 years old, but that's not a problem with the ram I have.   

Firefox has also become a bloated slow pig, thus why I moved to chrome.  (done by the same team as thunderbird, the mozilla project).

~Phil

I have 8 core, 32 gig, SSD desktops also
Actually, two 8 core AMD's and one six core AMD

Two are running windows 7 pro
One is running Windows 10

I rarely use Firefox
When I do I use add on's like file download managers and other things

Everything else I do is Chrome

But when you look at the windows task manager, you can see how many processes Chrome is runnning
It seems to be a computer hog

[shooter]

But $$$$$$!

I switched to a notepad, I like ASUS, I have a usb hub, and just dock it to my big stuff.
$150 (still big dollars in my new out-sourced world:)

[EL34]

I can't work on tiny devices

I need real keyboards with real switches - I use keyboards with Cherry keys, not membrane keys
And I need big monitors. I work on dual 23 inch monitors all day long

I need lots of ram and several cores because I may be running 8 programs at one time all day long


I have 4 desktops
1 notebook with a dual core pentium just for backup if the power goes out
1 Samsung tablet
1 Samsung phone

The mobile devices drive me crazy because they are so lame compared to desktops
I use them only to get notifications and then I go to a desktop to do the real work

[PRR]

> how many processes Chrome is runnning .. It seems to be a computer hog

I think the trend is to isolate each window and many scripts in separate processes, to reduce risk of malware in one tab cross-infecting other tabs or the main browser process.

While a Windows "process" is not exactly low-cost, the per-process overhead is probably much less than the crap that many modern web-pages fling at you.

[Ed_Chambley]

Thanks guys, a friend came by today and said he thinks my mother board is dying. 

We took the tower out in my garage, opened it up to blow it out but it was very clean, I cleaned it last year. He popped the Ram card out to see how much it was and wiggled my graphics card that I installed in the last year, we closed it back up and hooked it back up to the screen. Then he saved everything from my PC onto a 2TB Seagate portable drive he gave me just in case.
 
After he left I re-installed Mozilla Firefox and it's working great. 

BUT, I'll know in the morning after my PC goes to sleep tonight, if I can wake it up from my key board. That's when things have been going south.

It's an 8+ year old Dell with only 4Gb Ram. It's served me well but it's time to move on/up. But $$$$$$!     

Not sure what would make a determination of a mb going from your description. If the box is 8 years old replace the battery on the motherboard. Go to dos prompt and type msconfig
When it opens you can turnoff processes that launch on startup. This will free memory. Check your hard drive available space, you need to have 20% free space. If not move some things to another drive. Personally, i never use the drive windows is installed on, i either create a partition or use a separate drive. Currently I am using solid state drives for OS and programs and use another drive for storage.


I like the speed and I have never liked my downloads going to my main drive.


Signs of a bad motherboard usually begin with something not working like your network port or onboard video. Meaning something quits working.


I am not a fan of registry cleaners. If the Dell is that old it should have a restore disk. You could run this and after it boots renove all those silly package programs and get to the basic os. Then start running updates till you are current. Install the software you need.


After you should be good for another 8 years. A new computer is nice, but simply a waste of money if you do not need it for anything. If you need 64 bit processing, a lot of newer programs run best d some will no longer run on 32 bit systems.


I have a computer at work that runs windows 2000. Yes it is old but it does what I need. I also have a dual processor Mac Pro with dual 27 and 16 gigs of ram, a 512 ss drive and 3 mirrored 3 tb drives in a raid array.
I have tablets, iphone, and a couple dual processor Windows one of which is our work server. I have windows 10, 8.1, 7, xp and 2000 running. There is a lot more.


My point for saying all of this is if your computer was doing what you needed it to do before the problem started if you fix the problem you will not need another one.

[shooter]

I can't work on tiny devices

I can't either, that's why I just jack it into a real keyboard, optical mouse, 32" monitor, walla Big stuff with little PC

[sluckey]

Kinda like playing a champ through a 4x12!   



I have done that
It sounds awesome!   

[Ed_Chambley]

I am using an asus tablet right now. I got it and it was cheap and I am surprised how many free apps there are for android. I have an iphone and ipad and apple has more music apps, but for business productivity this tabllet wins.


These things are handy and I was tempted to use a bluetooth key and mouse, but didn't. Just like software, when the new version is released and  the following update to fix the bugs I install the new and remove the previous. If I don't I will go back to the old version. If I only have the new I have to learn it.


Same way with tablets. I use the touch keyboard. I have 2 desktops at home, a mac and a win 10, a laptop with win 7 a Macbook. A tablet cannot what a desktop can, but it is getting close. Also, voice recognition google is using works well for searching. Hard to believe with my accent. Having the computers at home allows me to test new upgrades prior to introducing them into work. I learned not to upgrade a working system, but it is necessary  to upgrade, now i just wait a bit to make sure all the bug are worked out.


Software companies are the only companies I know of that sells a product the buying public tests for them, finds and reports the problem so they can fix issues they did not test for. After they get it stable they then charge you if you need assistance.

[shooter]

Kinda like playing a champ through a 4x12!   

Yup, big boy wanabee

this one got "souped up" some, 60gig ram drive, 8gig memory, kinda like mag wheels on a chevette

[Willabe]

Well, my friend gave me a Shuttle DS437, Dual Celeron 1037U 1.8Hz hyper thread, 64GB SSH OS, 500GB file memory, 500GB file memory back up, 8GB RAM installed with Windows 10 installed. He's also going to give me a separate add on CD/DVD unit. 

WAY faster than my old Dell dual core PC that had 4GB RAM. The Shuttle web site says it will handle 16GB RAM max, but I saw some guys on line that said they installed 32GB RAM and it worked fine. I'll have to ask my friend. 

It's just 8"x6.5"x1.5" and is air cooled, no fan.

Windows 10 seems fine so far, I like it.

I just have to learn where to find where everything is at/access, but I think it's gonna be a while.       

PROCESSOR

Intel Celeron 1037U dual core CPU CHIPSET Intel NM70 Express chipset MEMORY 2 x 204 pin DDR3 SODIMM slots,8GB per DIMM (Max 16GB) Dual Channel DDR3 1333 Mhz VIDEO OUTPUT DVI-I + HDMI dual display AUDIO Realtek ALC662 channel High Definition Audio ETHERNET Realtek 8111G X2 100Mb/s and 1Gb/s operation Support Wake-On-LAN function Built in 802.11b/g/n WLAN module STORAGE INTERFACE 6.0Gb/s bandwidth SATA3 ONBOARD CONNECTORS (1) 2.5 inch SATA connector (1) SATA power connector (1) LVDS connector (1) LPC header (1) 4pin fan connector (1) 3pin fan connector BACK PANEL (2) RJ45 Gigabit LAN port (1) DVI-I port (1) HDMI port (2) USB 3.0 ports (1) MIC in (1) Line out (1) External power on header (1) Clear CMOS (1) DC in (1) Kensington lock (2) Wireless Antenna fixture DRIVE BAYS (1) 2.5" HDD / SSD bay DIMENSIONS 200(L) x 165(W) x 39.5(H) mm POWER 65W Power Adapter Input:100- 240V AC Output: 19V 3.42A DC EXPANSION SLOT (1) Full size Mini-PCIE socket (m-SATA support) (1) Half size Mini-PCIE socket for WLAN module OS SUPPORT Windows XP Windows 7 Windows 8 Linux FRONT PANEL (1) Power on button (1) Power LED (1) HDD LED (4) USB 2.0 ports (1) RS232/RS422/RS485 (1) RS232

[Willabe]

That looks like the windows 7 box I bought on New Egg for my mom
Cost me $69

It's an amazing deal for that price
No DVD drive inside to keep the box size super small but they threw in an outboard USB DVD drive on the deal

All she does is crossword puzzles and pay her bills so that box was perfect for here

[EL34]

oh crap willabe, it looks like I hit the modify button again instead of the reply button


The post above is my text
I must have erased willabe's text

Here's that windows box I bought for my mom at new egg
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883158818