Kemper Profiling Amp?

[Ritchie200]

I've seen more and more people use this amp on the road and many are now using it in the studio.  It's not a modeling amp, its a profiling amp.  It uses completely different technology to "copy" the target amp.  It's also an expensive German import.  Lots of players swear by it.   If you have watched some of Doug's links to the EH pedal videos, they are using a Kemper.  I have a good friend and builder who is selling profiles of his custom amps, his amp mods on different amps, and off the shelf stuff.  It takes just a few minutes to profile the target amp. The Kemper connects directly to it and it injects all sorts of noise into it.  Then you are good to go.  Amazing technology.

I wonder though, how ethical is it to "Buy" the sound of a $2000 amp for $20?  Who owns that?  I always thought digital would catch up.  This is kind of depressing...

Here is an actual profile session of a Bogner.

These guys do hilarious videos on equipment reviews.  However, being tube heads, they are just about in tears doing blind tests with the Kemper and their fav amps.

[tubenit]

I've been listening to these Kemper videos for a few years now.  My opinion is that with a live band that 90+ % of an audience would be fine with the tone and probably impressed with it.  Maybe an audience in general couldn't tell any difference at all?  I think it would be interesting to be in a live setting and simply dial up a "new amp tone" for each song.

Having said that,  the Kemper "Dumblish" videos don't quite sound like a Dumble to me & I think (?) I would hear a difference live.  I think there is a touch sensitivity with some tube amps that the Kemper can't capture (yet).

The other aspect for me is I can't service or mod a Kemper and the are very expensive.  I can service, mod or build a tube amp.

I am impressed with the technology and like the way they sound, but I'll stick with what I'm doing.

with respect, Jeff 

[EL34]

I have one boys
I have been using it for a couple years now

It is absolutely awesome
I control it with a Behringer FCB1010 pedal

My Kemper is fed into a stereo mixer and then into a large stereo power amp and then into two massive Pioneer 6 way speakers with 18 inch woofers

You have access to a library of over 9000 user created profiles when you use the computer based library software
Just click on a profile in the library on the computer screen and your Kemper loads it so you can see if you like it
I keep the profiles I like and then dial them in to my taste

The other major cool thing it does is Morphing with a expression pedal
So say you rock the pedal heal down all the way and then set a profile up a certain way with a zillion different tweaks, like eq, reverb, delay, etc
Then you rock the expression pedal all the way toe down
Now change the settings anyway you like, like up the gain, lower the treble, etc

Then save that profile

Now every time you move that expression pedal it morphs between those two settings in increments
So you can go from super clean to to overdrive and anywhere in between
Or a little reverb into more reverb, etc
But you can change a zillion different things at the same time by morphing with an expression pedal

[Willabe]

I have one boys
I have been using it for a couple years now

It is absolutely awesome
I control it with a Behringer FCB1010 pedal

Say it ain't so! Our own fearless leader! 

[Ed_Chambley]

I knew Doug bought one. They are very nice. Blind testing doesn't do any convencng to me. All of the recorded music we hear today is digital, reamped and overdubbed with direct capture.
Years age there was a computer program called Amp Farm. I used it to simulate my blackface deluxe and recorded a track using it while I was alone in the studio. Next session when everyone was back not a single person noticed I used the software. Even the sound engineer.


That was early 80s  I think.


I checked out the kemper and it isma very nice unit,. So is the Rocktron Voodoo Valve processor I own. Kemper claims their profiler amp is not a processor, but it certainly is. A very full featured one. Any high end processor can sound good providing the patch is not too overprocessed. We are coming back around to signal processing, calling it a profile. It was not the processor, but the player who rejected the difficulty. The player wanted simple stomp boxes and amp.


As everyone becomes more tech savy the objections of the learning curve is diminishing. Latency issues have been solved and I see players today playing through an ipas direct to front house with amp switching.


It is also amazing how many players are using line outs from simulators and no longer micing their amps.


If someone uwns the amps and makes a profile using the Kemper, that is no different than making plugins and selling those.

[EL34]

I have one boys
I have been using it for a couple years now

It is absolutely awesome
I control it with a Behringer FCB1010 pedal

Say it ain't so! Our own fearless leader! 

Yep, I rarely turn on one of my tube amps any more for these reasons

They are way too loud to play along with backing tracks.
They only do one sound, but that one sound is really good
I don't own any pedals and I really like expensive reverbs and expensive delays

With the Kemper,
I can click a switch and be doing Neal Young tunes
Click a switch and be doing Joe Satriani tunes
Click a switch and be doing Surf tunes or Scorpions or any number of other sounds instantly with any number of cool effects

Before the Kemper I was using Guitar Rig
The Kemper is a hardware unit and Guitar rig was a software unit
I prefer the hardware unit


You boot up the Kemper just like a computer
You do system updates and all kinds of other things just like you would on a computer, but it is a stand alone hardware unit

[Ritchie200]

Well, Kemper must be doing something different from the others. The AxeFX at twice the price still sounds processed and the Helix just sounds like an expensive POD...  They all seem to do OK clean but where the rubber meets the road is the distortion characteristics.  I've seen video after video A/B with the Kemper and the real amp and you just can not tell, and that is the same reaction of the people in the room.  Judging by their popularity, I'd say they got a leg up on the competition.  Like Doug said, he feeds a full range speaker.  Some folks will put it back into a 4x12 and wonder why they still have to tweak.  Like Ed said, players live go direct with a board feed back to a monitor for some speaker/guitar interplay.  I've also heard you can capture the target amp with the tone controls in a flat position and the Kemper allows enough onboard control to mimic the host amp tone stack.  Maybe Doug can elaborate.  Tubenit, watch the review I posted with the two guys.  They run the volume control up and down to compare the two for breakup characteristics.  Pretty impressive results that had them both shaking their heads.

Jim

PS, Ed, were you using a Tele with the Amp Farm software? Could be the reason.....

[EL34]

Well, Kemper must be doing something different from the others. The AxeFX at twice the price still sounds processed and the Helix just sounds like an expensive POD...  They all seem to do OK clean but where the rubber meets the road is the distortion characteristics.  I've seen video after video A/B with the Kemper and the real amp and you just can not tell, and that is the same reaction of the people in the room.  Judging by their popularity, I'd say they got a leg up on the competition.  Like Doug said, he feeds a full range speaker.  Some folks will put it back into a 4x12 and wonder why they still have to tweak.  Like Ed said, players live go direct with a board feed back to a monitor for some speaker/guitar interplay.  I've also heard you can capture the target amp with the tone controls in a flat position and the Kemper allows enough onboard control to mimic the host amp tone stack.  Maybe Doug can elaborate.  Tubenit, watch the review I posted with the two guys.  They run the volume control up and down to compare the two for breakup characteristics.  Pretty impressive results that had them both shaking their heads.

Jim

PS, Ed, were you using a Tele with the Amp Farm software? Could be the reason.....

You are supposed to feed the Kemper output into a full range system, like a PA or Music sound system
All the tone of the speaker cabinet is already included into the profile output
So you don't want to color the sound with a guitar cabinet

But, you can shut off the cabinet from the output if you want to and send that to a guitar cabinet.

Not only that, but you can change cabinets to any number of a zillion different cabinets with a zillion different speakers and a zillion different mics
The mics can even be arranged in several different configurations across the speaker itself


It can be a bit overwhelming the choices you have

I found the best way for me is to browse the library of the multitude of profiles that users post
Just click on one and your Kemper loads it
Play a couple chords or notes and see if you like it
Go on to the next one if you don't like it
Or save that profile in your Kemper and then tweak it to your heart's content

[EL34]

I have profiled several of my amps and they sound ok
But I don't have the really good mics or the proper technique to get to quality profiles

There are so many really good ones in the Kemper library that it does not matter that I use my amps

[Ed_Chambley]

The Kemper is a nice iece of gear, no doubt. I checked one out at a high end music store in Asheville and I am quite familiar with how different amps sound. Doug hit the nail when he said he prefers high end (I read as studio quality) verb delay and echo. What kemper did is pair their unit with their amp and not just signal processing. Doing both gives more control over a do everything processor.


I still use a voodoo valve into a Marshall 50/50 and an old Ampeg 4 12 when I play outside as tube amps are loud when they are sounding their best. From the Marshall I get a very tight tone that doesn't happen when using all amps. I tried it with a mesa 20 20 and it was loose and I could not do anything.


In looking at the Kemper profiles Kemper doesn't dime everything, but if you go into the profile and turn up effect mixes it will tirn into a processed signal. It is just a good design and they control everything from the input to output. This makes a difference.
I like new stuff and this is very cool, but with anything that has so much capabilities, you gotta be careful or you will be playing with it instead of through it.


And no Jim, I was playing an Ibanez Gambale S model, HSH, coil tap, series tap and a Wizard 2 neck which has a 14 radius and 6505 frets, tall and thin wires.


First it was hardware and we were told when computer amps came along it woild be better and cheaper because we were not buying hardware multiple times. Now it is back to hardware with updates. I am seeing more used live, but live ani't really live these days. Drummers play with clicks, leslie fills with no leslie on stage. Harmonizing with a single vocal and a pedal. I was duagged to see Hotel California the Eagles Tribute band.  No cabinets on stage. They have 5 members and Take it Easy had a banjo, but no one was playing a banjo. All of their songs sounded just like the record, no improvising.


Thanks, but no thanks. I have always rated a band on how good they are live, I find it hard to compare live to playing with a recording.


The Kemper is a nice studio must have IMO. I still prefer when I play live to sound like me and if the drummer is rushing, I know he has a poor meter or too excited.


And Jim, son I assure you I have never played with what is considered processed sound, but have had to play Willie Nelsons Crazy followed by Ozzy Crazy Train followd by That long Black Train Josh Turner, followed by Back in Black ACDC. Having a setup to cover this well is doable, and now easier with the Kemper.

[Ritchie200]

Haha!  Ed, you know I just be poken the bear!  Yeah the upper end Kemper has the 600 watt amp (I think?).  What the heck you do with that?  Unless you are a one man band and can input your computer backing track into it? And I think that model is like $6K.  Not much on stage these days.  That's why you gotta go see Robin!  He still got that blazing stage volume! We talked about this a few years ago, but I miss that unpredictability of the old concerts.  A little feedback here and there never hurt anyone.  And nothing makes a guitar sing like some air moving behind you.  Like you said about the tribute band, I don't want to hear the record!  I want to hear you play!  I don't like all the sampling and effects either. At EPCOT down at Disney they have a UK section and there is a band that plays all the UK classic rock like the Who, Queen, Beatles, etc.  Excellent players and singers and not an amp in sight.  How do they sound?  Like crap.  I can hear the processed mess.  However, the average listener does not care...  You want to see something old school and cool, look up ACDC rig rundown on utoob.  Angus using 9 Super Leads and they are all on and pumping on stage.

Jim

[jojokeo]

Interesting in that I saw the Hotel Calif band last summer at our local fair and just enjoyed the concert for what it was. I wasn't analyzing and being critical of the amp's tone per se other than taking note of their chops and enjoying their interplay and showmanship. I did  see an actual banjo and mandolin being used on various songs too by the leather wearing slick lady's dude on the left ( looking at the stage). Nothing was mailed in and the other git playing Jeff Bridges looking guy played a hell of of a solo including Star Spangled Banner half way through. He got my respect, one hell of a player if you ask me.


I'm not really sold on processed bs and sort of takes the fun out of things for me. It's easier and cheaper in many cases except the kemper but as Ed says I'd spend too much time fiddle farting around with it all the time? Then ultimately Id have a favorite or two and likely play just those? Then Id likely get bored with it and move on? Who really knows? I'm just going by my own nature and habits. I love putting various amp configurations together and really have fun putting pedal ideas together for my tone tweaks. Then mixing various cab/speakers and I'm good.


As I told Jim recently, I took a modeling Fender amp to a rehearsal last year just for fun think it might work good and it was totally different in a live situation - not in a good way either. I could not get the projection or punch or boost for leads and the cool (so I thought) voicings all paled in that larger setting. The sag effects, high gain settings, etc all were nice and fun at home but totally sucked in the warehouse. I'm sure this is probably a bad example but seems it could be more like the norm than the exception for live performances and modeling stuff?


You guys know better than I do though and have actually used this gear as I haven't. So I have to trust your opinions and feedback.

[EL34]

Hey Jim, I feed my kemper into a 500 per channel stereo crown power amp

500 watts is not the same in solid state power amps

You want as clean of a signal in the power amp as you can get and so high wattage power amps are the ting to be using

Running a Kemper rig is totally different that running a tube amp rig

Here's a pic of the stereo power amp ant the Pioneer speakers I use

[Ed_Chambley]

Interesting in that I saw the Hotel Calif band last summer at our local fair and just enjoyed the concert for what it was. I wasn't analyzing and being critical of the amp's tone per se other than taking note of their chops and enjoying their interplay and showmanship. I did  see an actual banjo and mandolin being used on various songs too by the leather wearing slick lady's dude on the left ( looking at the stage). Nothing was mailed in and the other git playing Jeff Bridges looking guy played a hell of of a solo including Star Spangled Banner half way through. He got my respect, one hell of a player if you ask me.


I'm not really sold on processed bs and sort of takes the fun out of things for me. It's easier and cheaper in many cases except the kemper but as Ed says I'd spend too much time fiddle farting around with it all the time? Then ultimately Id have a favorite or two and likely play just those? Then Id likely get bored with it and move on? Who really knows? I'm just going by my own nature and habits. I love putting various amp configurations together and really have fun putting pedal ideas together for my tone tweaks. Then mixing various cab/speakers and I'm good.


As I told Jim recently, I took a modeling Fender amp to a rehearsal last year just for fun think it might work good and it was totally different in a live situation - not in a good way either. I could not get the projection or punch or boost for leads and the cool (so I thought) voicings all paled in that larger setting. The sag effects, high gain settings, etc all were nice and fun at home but totally sucked in the warehouse. I'm sure this is probably a bad example but seems it could be more like the norm than the exception for live performances and modeling stuff?


You guys know better than I do though and have actually used this gear as I haven't. So I have to trust your opinions and feedback.

Joe, I did not write the musicians were not good players.  The crew I saw were from Canada.  I guess it has to do with how much the gig pays as to haw many musicians they use.


In talking just about live shows, I prefer a group to rearrange a song to their abilities and not use a backing track.


For instance, the song Hooch Coochie Man has been done by a LOT of folks.  There is some variety in versions I have heard, like the Allman Brothers Version, but when Jeff Healey recorded it he owned it.


This is what I like because you never know when it is coming and it is surprising, but if the band is exactly covering the songs you may as well drink your beer at home and listen to the music.  Is it live or is it Memorex?


Just me I suppose as a lot of folks attend these type of shows.  When you are a musician and can hear the clicks and recorded instruments playing along with the band it seems like it restricts the players.  It has to and it also limits audience interaction because you cannot adjust like cutting a 7 minute song down because you can tell the crowd is no into it or keep it going when they are.  Seems to limit the energy.


Getting lost in the mix is what I meant when using too much levels.  Seems most players who have access to be able to add so many effects will program them to get an overall sound they like.  This is done at home usually because it is difficult while playing.  Then the preset ends up having some of every effect available, whereas if you are using stop boxes and you step on one and it does not sound good you immediately switch it off.


Cannot do this with any modeling, profiling, processor or whichever you prefer to call it.  It seems the Kemper is much more popular used live with heavy groups according to their Discography on the website.  I have used a lot of multi-effect devices and this unit is really good.  All the effects are really good as well.


Of all the things I have owned through the years the only things I have kept the whole time is a Les Paul and a Super Reverb.  These are not my first purchases, but seem to have stayed where everything else I have traded back and fourth.

[jojokeo]

Yes, I understand what you are saying Ed and if I heard or even sniffed a backing track, click track, etc I'd sour on the event in a nanosecond. At our annual summer fairgrounds event we have a nicely set-up venue much smaller than the much larger outside amphitheater. They've been booking horrible acts in that for the most part but the inside smaller one is much more intimate while having almost no drink or bathroom lines! A major win compared to everywhere else on the grounds, especially that amphitheater. It's horrendous there.

Anyway for only a few more bucks in getting entry to the fair we get to see a decent clone tribute band as well. Some are obviously better than others but it's all good fun and entertainment. A David Bowie band did okay but the singer overplayed some of David's quirky moves and the sax parts were played by the organist using a sax setting! A Queen tribute band was really good as "Freddie" was awesomely talented and remarkably similar in so many ways with a great voice that was so close BUT...wait for it..."Brian May" played left handed! What??? Hahaa, I know that brings a smile to many right? But again close your eyes and most things were really done spot on.

There's a pink Floyd band that is so musically perfect with pinging/panning back and forth, crazy guy laughing, dogs barking, and they even bring in a few soul sisters to sing those parts too. Overall close your eyes and you are at an official Floyd concert from back in the day. A Van Halen tribute was another that was almost flawlessly done.

I enjoy going to the fair a few times and seeing something different each year if possible? As Forest Gump said, "you never know what you're going to get." I look at it the same way and just enjoy being surprised, not to mention there's usually quite the array of female talent running around on those hot summer nights which isn't a bad thing and worth the price of admission right there! I've got my wife conditioned perfectly and she's a great sport so no worries. We all just have a lot of fun and be sure to take Uber these days so it always ends well.

Maybe some day I'll get a chance to play through a Kemper to see what all the talk is about? To hear Doug speak about it it seems like a much higher powered JC120 with a greatly improved and designed preamp? Speaking of which:

Doug - I've heard most of your recordings done using the Guitar Rig software but have you done any newer ones on the site using the Kemper to hear?

[EL34]

Oh man, I have been so busy that the last time I recorded anything was over a year ago after I finished my purple Jazz-O-Caster guitar
I did these tunes on the Kemper at that time to demo the purple guitar
They are all super clean tones with lost of verb and some delay

http://el34world.com/Misc/Music/files/LullabyoftheLeavesJazzOCaster.mp3

http://el34world.com/Misc/Music/files/LayLadyLay2.mp3

http://el34world.com/Misc/Music/files/SurferGirl_JC2.mp3

http://el34world.com/Misc/Music/files/11thHour2016.mp3


I don't have any overdrive stuff to demo on the Kemper
If I ever retire I will have more time to play
This work shit is eating into my play time

[jojokeo]

That jazz-o-caster should be named the Doug-o-caster. Sweet sounding rig but what tremolo is that? Stays in tune well. Is that All Parts or Warmoth?
They sound good but the last one - 11th hour was cool with the sound of the gentle shore washing up next to the speaker cab...

[Ritchie200]

Hey Jim, I feed my kemper into a 500 per channel stereo crown power amp

500 watts is not the same in solid state power amps

You want as clean of a signal in the power amp as you can get and so high wattage power amps are the ting to be using

Running a Kemper rig is totally different that running a tube amp rig

Here's a pic of the stereo power amp ant the Pioneer speakers I use

Doug, that is similar to my Scholz/Rockman setup.  I run stereo out of the modules into a 250 watt stereo power amp into two cabs with 12", mid, and tweeters.  I run mono through both sides of a stereo EQ before and after the front end module and there is a mono out for a sub woofer on the EQ.  That really adds some dimension to the Boston fuzz!

Jim

[EL34]

That jazz-o-caster should be named the Doug-o-caster. Sweet sounding rig but what tremolo is that? Stays in tune well. Is that All Parts or Warmoth?
They sound good but the last one - 11th hour was cool with the sound of the gentle shore washing up next to the speaker cab...

I built it with All Parts Body and neck
Mojo wound the Jazzmaster pickups
I machined the body on my CNC machine for the larger jazzmaster pickups
The trem is the Fender deluxe trem and it stays in perfect tune with the graphite nut
It's a floating bridge with knife edge post and is extremely smooth and accurate
I love the graph tech saddles

I have more build info here in the guitar board
http://el34world.com/Forum/index.php?topic=19570.0

[EL34]

Hey Jim, I feed my kemper into a 500 per channel stereo crown power amp

500 watts is not the same in solid state power amps

You want as clean of a signal in the power amp as you can get and so high wattage power amps are the ting to be using

Running a Kemper rig is totally different that running a tube amp rig

Here's a pic of the stereo power amp ant the Pioneer speakers I use

Doug, that is similar to my Scholz/Rockman setup.  I run stereo out of the modules into a 250 watt stereo power amp into two cabs with 12", mid, and tweeters.  I run mono through both sides of a stereo EQ before and after the front end module and there is a mono out for a sub woofer on the EQ.  That really adds some dimension to the Boston fuzz!

Jim

Yeah, I love stereo rigs
I run my guitar into that stereo tube pre amp (in the photo below the Kemper) first and then into the Kemper.
So I do get some tube goodness in my tone chain

[jojokeo]

So I do get some tube goodness in my tone chain

Or you could try this one??? It's even made in Jimbo's home town...

[EL34]

That's a modeling amp
I did not read everything about it


The Kemper lets you profile real amps

[jojokeo]

Crap got 'em confused...modeling, profiling, emulating, cloning, replicating - what ever could possibly be next?

[EL34]

It's probably more like a POD or one of those gadgets?


Don't know, never messed with one of those

[EL34]

Just saw this Kemper video on importing Celestion ir files and creating cabinets for the Kemper


Pretty cool

[Ritchie200]

Doug,

Went and saw a band last night called Musical Blades with my daughter.  They are a pirate themed band.  Before you guys start giving me crap, I gotta say its been the most fun I've had at a show in YEARS!  These guys have honed their craft for over 15 years of working in bars and Ren Fairs and they were seamless.  There are many Youtube vids for any who might be interested.  It didn't hurt that the violin player was hitting on me after the show...   My daughter was like, what's up with her!!!!?????   My wife, however, would not have been so amused....

My question for Doug is: One of the guitar players had a Kemper.  When he was wide open it had a huge JCM800 type glorious sustain that sounded perfect.  HOWEVER, when he rolled off the volume on his guitar it sounded very odd.  It was like it had trouble tracking the notes, almost like a sputtering effect - splatty for lack of a better description.  When he rolled the volume up, boom, beautiful.  He was not making any faces but the "effect" didn't match the tune and I can't imagine it was one he was looking for....  In all the Kemper reviews I've read, they all say it is very smooth throughout the range of the guitar volume and reproduces the target amp perfectly.  Have you ever run into this?

Thanks!
Jim

[EL34]

Not sure why it was doing that?

It just thins out nicely on my guitars when rolling off the volume knob
I say thins out because I use caps on my volume controls that roll off the bass a bit when I turn down

Maybe something else in the way he has it set up is the problem?
Or some other piece of gear in the chain, don't know?


BTW, I don't use my volume control that much any more since Kemper came out with Morphing
I push the morph pedal all the way heal down
Then I set the clean sound how I like it and save that


Next I push the morph pedal all the way toe down
Then I adjust what ever I want for a dirtier sound and save that

You can adjust a zillion parameters and the morphing function will just move from one setting to the other progressively as you move the morph pedal
So it gradually goes from my clean sound to the dirty sound and all the parameters move gradually as that happens
It's just too cool of a feature

It would be like someone behind you on a live amp moving all the knobs on the amp at the same time and moving all the knobs on any effects you have also.

[Ritchie200]

Thanks Doug,

Yeah, He did have a few pedals on the front end so maybe that was it.  Maybe he thought it sounded cool - who knows!

Man that thing sounds cool.  I don't know....  Old dog, new tricks!!!   If it wasn't so damn expensive, I might give it a whirl!  Otherwise I'd have to sell my.....my......  Nope, aint gonna happen.

Jim

[jojokeo]

Profiles need refinement “with attitude” it appears (like your approach with the violinist 😜) your daughter says it was the other way around 

[EL34]

Profiles need refinement “with attitude” it appears (like your approach with the violinist 😜) your daughter says it was the other way around 


https://youtu.be/3OiTBwdGWoU

Cool video, thanks for the link


Yeah, the Kempers are expensive
I paid $2k for mine a couple years ago


But, at the push of a Midi controller button, I can go to a bunch of different tones and I can play at a volume level that does not hurt my ears or my two dogs ears
The dogs are always in my shop with me

My thing is playing along with backing tracks for guitar enjoyment
And I can go from surf music to Neil Young, to the Scorpions, to Joe Satriani at the push of a button

[Ed_Chambley]

Thanks Doug,

Yeah, He did have a few pedals on the front end so maybe that was it.  Maybe he thought it sounded cool - who knows!

Man that thing sounds cool.  I don't know....  Old dog, new tricks!!!   If it wasn't so damn expensive, I might give it a whirl!  Otherwise I'd have to sell my.....my......  Nope, aint gonna happen.

Jim

Jim,
I am sure you know I have played stereo rigs for a long time via a wet amp and dry/overdriven amp.  It began in the late 80's with a true stereo rig and cabinets, not 2 little amps.  You know, back before Karaoke vocalists when you had a Robbin Ford backline.


Guitar players doing live shows retreated back to stomp boxes, but I digress.  If you have a true stereo setup and you back down on your guitar the overdrive will naturally cleanup simply because of less signal.  So lets say you have a High Gain ripping tone panned 80% Right and on your left you have a 20%, 600ms delay and a clean tone.  Well you are not really going to hear the delay, it just adds to the soaring sound.


The lower you reduce the signal from the volume one the guitar, the more present the delay becomes simply because the 80% driven side reduces much faster and becomes clean.  This is where that damn ping pong sound comes from.


The solution is to have another MIDI controller be it a momentary on button or expression pedal to reduce either or both the level of delay or the time when rolling to a clean section.  This is where I used to watch guys lose it and go and get their pedals out again.  There is something to having to access a patch and switch internally as opposed to stepping on a physical switch.


Anything can be over-processed sounding, if that is what you prefer.  Sometimes I wonder if Waylon Jennings would have sounded over-processed to Django Reinhardt.  Have to think so.