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Offline alathIN

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Phase Two of rookie amp build.
When I was just starting Phase One I was trying to figure out how to put an add-on reverb in my Trinity TC-15 kit. Some wiser more experienced folks suggested I put in an active effects loop instead, and then build a standalone reverb. So I ordered a Metropolous Zero Loss Effects Loop and today had some time to install it.

Metropolous is mosly about Marshall-type amps and the instructions are definitely geared that way. If your amp isn't in the Marshall family you will have some adapting to do. I didn't get a lot of help on the Metropolous forum, for what its worth - thankfully I got good suggestions from Stephen at Trinity and here on el34world.

One of the issues I ran into was that since I built my kit with Trinity's VRM - an attenuator that works by decreasing B+, and since the zero loss circuit board is powered by B+, it would often be getting power supply well below the recommended voltage range.

The only place I could tap "upstream" of the VRM was before the standby switch, off the first filtering cap (on a TC15 that is the first half of a can capacitor).
That meant likely a very noisy signal, so the unanimous advice of Sluckey and Stephen at Trinity was to use an additional 47uF filtering cap on the zero loss power supply line. There was a conveniently located empty spot in the chassis, so I put in an extra terminal strip (it's a big cap and I didn't want it just hanging in the air). Instead of a wire lead, I just used the coupling resistor to bridge from the can cap source to the terminal strip. Here's what that wound up looking like:


I couldn't find a spot to put the zero loss board that I was 100% happy with, but I wound up putting it just over V3 (I guess it's just under when you're done and the amp is right side up again!). And it wound up that putting the board upside down fit better. This made it slightly tricky to get the wires the right length but not too bad. It does get a little crowded where you run the new leads to the effects loop take off and return points suggested by Trinity.


Here's what it looks like from the back. I knew I would never remember which jack was which, so I printed a decal at Kinko's.


I did have a "what the heck is going on" moment until I realized I had forgotten to put a needed jumper wire across two terminals of the bypass switch.

For some reason Metropolous sends you two-conductor shielded wire, and you twist the conductors together to use them as one. This made the wire a bit bulky and hard to work with. I'm not sure why they did it this way but I figured there might be a reason for it and used the wire they sent.

If you install the effects loop where suggested by Trinity, it only works on Channel 2. I'm pretty sure that's correct and not just an error on my part, because I remember this same issue mentioned in an add-on reverb thread over on the Trinity forum and it does make sense looking at the schematic.

So far quite pleased with this installation.
I haven't tried an A-B comparison test yet. I will say that my entry level Zoom multieffects unit has never sounded so good. But then again, until a couple weeks ago I never had an amp this good either  :D

The real fun will come when I get my standalone reverb-trem unit on line.... but that project is at a very embryonic stage.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2018, 03:06:04 pm by alathIN »

Offline Willabe

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For some reason Metropolous sends you two-conductor shielded wire, and you twist the conductors together to use them as one.

Can you post a pic of a scrap of that wire, the end with the 2 conductors and shield showing?

And what brand is it, what's stamped on the side, name, numbers?

Looks like nice wire for a shielded twisted pair?

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This is from the Metro instruction pdf. The wire is shielded twisted pair (STP). Very common in communication audio. Maybe Metro has a cousin that works in an FAA control tower!   :icon_biggrin:
A schematic, layout, and hi-rez pics are very useful for troubleshooting your amp. Don't wait to be asked. JUST DO IT!

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Thanks Sluckey.  :icon_biggrin:

Looks like nice wire. 

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Maybe Metro has a cousin
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Philips medical used a lot of it also, I still got 40' or so.  We used it for switching +5 / +300 on a pin diode that turned off the receive coil during transmit, you could ALWAYS smell when it failed  :icon_biggrin:
Went Class C for efficiency

 


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