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Offline Thisismyname

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P2P Tweedle Dee Completed Build
« on: January 30, 2023, 05:15:59 pm »
Pictures at the bottom if you don't want to read the long post.

I finished the amp a week and a half ago. I was waiting to upload until I could get some good audio samples, but I still haven't recorded it yet.

It took me about 56 hours within 13 days to finish it.
Converting the free-hand layout in DIYLC into actual measurements and then marking the chassis took a few hours.
Drilling and filing the square hole for the PT required a lot of patience. The hole for the IEC and rotary switch required some filing too, but it didn't take long.

I didn't care for the heater wire I bought for this build. It was really slippery and stripped weird. It led to somewhat loose winds. I was going to redo it if the amp was noisy, but it's not.
Just like my first amp with turrets, it took me a 5-10 connections to the T-strips to get comfortable soldering to them. The whole soldering process was uneventful. There was nothing to test my patience like, in the past, a solder joint with only one crappy angle to get at it from. I splurged a little more on parts, which was just Sozo caps, Toyko Cosmos pots, and NOS tubes. The rest is what I normally buy.

Sound-wise, it sounds amazing!!! It's very warm and articulate. I only play it where I can play at any volume, so NOT my apartment haha
I liked this circuit on paper because of how little is in the circuit path, the single tone knob, and no NFB. I wanted something that had a very pure tone that wouldn't lose or cancel out anything that it didn't absolutely need to (ya, I know about the LNF). I wanted something where I would hear every detail and also where the differences between pickups, guitars and picks was very clear. So I knew I wanted something that did "no NFB" well.

I could say a lot about my experience with the NOS tubes I'm using, but I'll try to keep it brief (edit; I failed haha)

I'm still experimenting with the combination of 12AX7s, a ribbed Telefunken, short-plate Mullard and Bugle Boy, and a short plate GE JAN.
I really loved the Telefunken in a BF style amp, but it's too smooth for this circuit. For now, I've been using it in V2 and swapping out the other tubes in V1.

The RCA blackplate 6V6s are AMAZING!!! I had first played the amp with the newest EHs and JJs to play it safe. As soon as I tried the RCAs, it was game over. They won by a longshot. The depth, warmth, and balance they have is amazing. That, combined with these specific NOS preamp tubes, is why this is my favorite amp that I've played through.

I experimented with the same NOS 12AX7s in my last build a bit (BF Bandmaster with an OD channel, cathode/fixed bias switch, NFB switch, presence and resonance controls. It was the first amp I sold!). The difference these NOS tubes make isn't subtle for me.
In short, they're more versatile and better balanced. Like they always sound good no matter what guitar, pickup selection, pick, volume settings, and tone settings. I don't even have to touch the tone knob when I play because these NOS tubes always sound good.

With the new tubes I've played, they sound harder and shallower, feel louder at lower volumes, and they aren't as versatile. I have to adjust tone settings a lot to make different pickups sound their best, and even still, I notice weaknesses. The NOS tubes I've tried just seem to keep everything tame and balanced no matter what I try, and they sound really good really loud. No pain or fatigue.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2023, 10:23:27 pm by Thisismyname »

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Re: P2P Tweedle Dee Completed Build
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2023, 05:16:18 pm »
Anyway, back to the amp. It has a really low noise floor, which was actually my main goal. There is no hum or buzz at all. The only white noise is a small amount between 8-10 on the volume, but by that point, the noise floor from my Les Paul is louder. Other than that, the amp is dead quiet.

I wanted to design my own point-to-point amp because of the first amp I built; a DR clone inside a reissue chassis, which I rebuilt 6 years later when I REALLY got into amps. I had discovered Rob Robinette's website during that time and ended modifying that amp into something very different.
It had miles of wire and massive hum, even though the circuit was simple with no FX. It was just the layout. I learned a lot about what not to do with that amp. It made me very concerned about noise in my later builds. Although with this amp, I didn't use any shielded wire because I figured the short runs are probably short enough, but I may do it down the road.

The additions I made to the stock Tweedle Dee circuit are 1K screen resistors, the NFB switch, a 470k grid stopper for the PI, and leaving the 5Y3 in. Currently, a 300R cathode resistor for the RCAs. I don't plan to modify it. If this circuit is what Dumble thought was the "best" version, that's good enough for me. I have plenty of other amps to tweak if I really need to solder something (it's a little addicting haha)

So 4 amps later, I finally got to design my own layout to optimize all the things I wanted to. I'm very happy with it. My friend Kyle will build the head cab for it in the coming weeks. I'll update when that's done. His woodshop is amazing.

Enough rambling, here are some pictures.
Feel free to criticize anything you see, I won't be offended. I always enjoy learning new stuff, so be as nitpicky as you want. There are some things I'd do differently if I build another one, so I'm already aware of some "flaws."

« Last Edit: January 30, 2023, 10:26:00 pm by Thisismyname »

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Re: P2P Tweedle Dee Completed Build
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2023, 05:22:17 pm »
I'm currently using my empty DRRI cab with a new Eminence Texas Heat speaker. I like it a lot, but I'm not sure how close that is to an actual tweed Deluxe speaker. That wasn't my goal.

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Re: P2P Tweedle Dee Completed Build
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2023, 05:40:22 pm »
My GoPro pictures are too large, so my crappy phone pictures will have to do.
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Re: P2P Tweedle Dee Completed Build
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2023, 05:41:13 pm »
More pictures.

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Re: P2P Tweedle Dee Completed Build
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2023, 05:42:10 pm »
More pictures.

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Re: P2P Tweedle Dee Completed Build
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2023, 05:42:58 pm »
More pictures.

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Re: P2P Tweedle Dee Completed Build
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2023, 05:44:25 pm »
More pictures.

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Re: P2P Tweedle Dee Completed Build
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2023, 05:46:51 pm »
More pictures.

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Re: P2P Tweedle Dee Completed Build
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2023, 09:35:27 pm »
I'm glad you love the sound. That's quite a bolt forest you have there on the top of the chassis. :icon_biggrin:
And my experience with NOS tubes is much more mixed, as is my experience with new tubes. But, in the end, experiment and find what you like is the way to go.
Cheers!
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Re: P2P Tweedle Dee Completed Build
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2023, 10:20:42 pm »
I'm glad you love the sound. That's quite a bolt forest you have there on the top of the chassis. :icon_biggrin:
And my experience with NOS tubes is much more mixed, as is my experience with new tubes. But, in the end, experiment and find what you like is the way to go.
Cheers!

Ya, I'll admit I haven't tried every new tube. And I certainly haven't tried every old tube. I do have some I found at a garage sale that sound very bland, but I forget about them a lot. I think they were used in a stereo or something because there's a bunch of other tube types mixed in.
The NOS tubes I have are some of the best, so actually, it's probably not a fair comparison.

I intended to get shorter screws, but my local hardware store didn't have the size, so I decided save shipping costs and not care about it  :icon_biggrin:
If I ever built this for someone else, I'd get the right size and maybe mount them inverted.

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Re: P2P Tweedle Dee Completed Build
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2023, 04:41:48 am »
I intended to get shorter screws, but my local hardware store didn't have the size, so I decided save shipping costs and not care about it  :icon_biggrin:
If I ever built this for someone else, I'd get the right size and maybe mount them inverted.
or use rivets for the terminal strips as i've done

« Last Edit: January 31, 2023, 04:45:24 am by Tirol29 »

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Re: P2P Tweedle Dee Completed Build
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2023, 05:41:37 am »
My GoPro pictures are too large, so my crappy phone pictures will have to do.

One option is to upload to a hosting site like Imgur.com then use the link to post the photos here.

You could also re-size your original photos.  And either way, you might need to adjust the displayed width or height (also at the link).

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Re: P2P Tweedle Dee Completed Build
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2023, 06:28:04 am »
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maybe mount them inverted
That's what I was good naturedly needling you about. :icon_biggrin:
Nice build, even with the lower res pics, it looks like you took a lot of care with it.
Mac
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Re: P2P Tweedle Dee Completed Build
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2023, 01:34:29 pm »
Thanks guys!
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