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Offline Esquirefreak

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Push/pull reverb driver
« on: June 08, 2024, 03:51:30 am »
Anyone here tried driving a reverb tank with a dual triode tube in push pull - rather than parallel SE like in Fender amps? Thinking that hum rejection would probably be better? Any direct down sides?

Just thinking out loud here.

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Re: Push/pull reverb driver
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2024, 05:05:06 am »
You’ll need to think about how you achieve phase inversion - self-split vs another stage for PI etc. And the PP xformer. Go for your life.
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Re: Push/pull reverb driver
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2024, 06:51:46 am »
The Silvertone 1484 used a twin triode push/pull cap coupled reverb driver in it's cheesy circuit.

Not exactly what you asked for but probably worth a look/see. The Ampeg Echo Twin used a foldback reverb circuit. The reverb tank was driven from the push/pull output transformer.
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Re: Push/pull reverb driver
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2024, 11:00:31 am »
Kevin O’Connor has a push/pull reverb kit on his London Power web site.
I don’t know if this is covered in any of his TUT books

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Re: Push/pull reverb driver
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2024, 03:15:57 pm »
Maybe a solid state phase inverter would do the trick? Like a cathodyne mosfet? To clarify, I'm not aiming to build anything (yet). Just thinking about alternative ideas. Might be unnecessesarily complicated, though.

Thanks everyone!

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Re: Push/pull reverb driver
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2024, 07:35:29 pm »
Kevin O’Connor has a push/pull reverb kit on his London Power web site.
I don’t know if this is covered in any of his TUT books
Yes, it's in his books.

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Re: Push/pull reverb driver
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2024, 09:46:22 pm »
... Thinking that hum rejection would probably be better? ...

Most people don't turn their Reverb control full-up.  That implies there is plenty (too much?) reverb available if wanted.

"Hum Rejection" would only be hum present in the power supply when thinking SE vs PP.
   - We could simply feed the reverb transformer from a different, more-filtered point in the power supply.
   - We would reduce total supply-voltage available at the reverb transformer, which could limit how hard the tank is driven.
   - However, the observation earlier suggests we don't need as much reverb-drive as we have, so some reduction would be acceptable.


The challenge of a push-pull reverb transformer is that London Power seems to be the one source (though I suppose one could buy over-capable transformers from other places).

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Re: Push/pull reverb driver
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2024, 10:37:16 pm »
I was thinking maybe the Hammond 125B would be a good choice? 5w push pull with a multiple primary impedance alternatives. 22,5ΚΩ for one.

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Re: Push/pull reverb driver
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2024, 11:16:28 pm »
Maybe steal some ideas from the Firefly...
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Re: Push/pull reverb driver
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2024, 01:38:20 am »
Cool! Thanks!

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Re: Push/pull reverb driver
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2024, 04:07:39 am »
Yes you can use a push-pull driver, and yes it is more immune to PSU hum and magnetic hum from the PT. The Vox AC30TBR used a push-pull driver for a 600 ohm tank.
Note that KOC's push-pull driver seems to have a drawing error in it; the tail resistor is way too small.
Here's a push-pull driver I have used, the OT is a small power transformer. An SRPP is also a push-pull driver, technically speaking!
« Last Edit: June 10, 2024, 04:20:42 am by Merlin »

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Re: Push/pull reverb driver
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2024, 11:28:13 am »
That looks awesome, thank you!

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