Comparison of Political Parties

[tubenit]

I found these thoughtfully written and useful. They could use some updating given there have been shifts within both parties.

Having said that, I think they are a good starting place to think more deeply about what each party stands for rather than forming opinions based on personalities or sound bites.

My personal values in politics:

- follow the Constitution. It was well thought out and well written.
- smaller government with less intrusion in our lives
- states rights over federal control
- live debt free within a budget like I do

On an emotional level, my cynicism around politics is sort of like "Do you want a cinder block dropped on your left foot or right foot?".   However, today there is a vast difference in the size and destructive intent/power between those two cinder blocks.

With respect, Tubenit

[shooter]

"Do you want a cinder block dropped on your left foot or right foot?".   However, today there is a vast difference in the size and destructive intent/power between those two cinder blocks.

well stated!
very nice compare/contrast sheets, thanks

[EL34]

Me being an independent, I can go with either party
The choice is very clear right nowThe democratic party has lost it's mind and has no interest in the US constitutionThey are only interested in maintaining powerThey censor on social media if it does not suit themI can go on with a huge list or other reason
So I choose to try and restore the horrible damage that the current administration has perpetuated on the people of this country
And now that RFK Jr is on board, that brings another level of perks because of his expertise in certain areas.

[dude]

With all due respect, as you say tubenit, the agency that writes your posted reports, sounds very politically sided, it’s not written like our Constitution.
And l believe the recent political posts on “Other Topics” is not an acceptable choice for this amp forum and a possible determent to it’s existence. My post is not intended to offend anyone, regardless of political affiliation.
Sencerely,
dude

[zendragon63]

For what it is worth to my fellow ampsmiths—me thinks politics and preamp voltages do make for strange bedfellows but here goes…
I agree with the comparisons—pretty much the fundamental party planks there. Gaslighting notwithstanding. Informed intentional voting makes results believable.
I appreciate that there are still many of us that still believe in free speech, personal responsibility, civil liberties, free markets and self-reliance. And the second amendment. Our nation’s constitution is one of the most incredibly genius policy of governance ever—it addresses so many the follies of human nature and failed governments of the past. We should all understand it and protect it as well as our rights—and responsibilities—as Americans citizens.
Regards (and I mean it)
dennis

[shooter]

We should all understand it and protect it as well as our rights—and responsibilities—as Americans citizens.

I believe this is why we have the state of affairs we do, Politicians come, go, like dust in the wind n Corporate CEO's, but then the citizen loses sight of a "common understanding" we're open to "hostile take-overs" n "venture Capitalist" looking for a quick buck.

[tubenit]

With all due respect, as you say tubenit, the agency that writes your posted reports, sounds very politically sided

Is there something in the comparisons chart that you feel is biased?   If so, what is it?

Can you offer a comparison of political parties that you think is more objective than this one? 

Are you knowledgeable enough that you could have explained the differences  to someone without referencing some document?

I think this is useful information and a good starting place to be more informed about what each party has stood for over the recent decade.


With respect, Tubenit

[EL34]

I'd rather we keep it to the current election rather than getting into this side is better than that side debates.

What I have been posting is the insanity coming from the left and their lack of policies regarding the upcoming election.
Also the huge list of illegal and unconstitutional activities like censorship and prosecuting political opponents.
I can print the long list again below why the Democratic party has gone off the rails and should be voted out


Restricting free speech on social networks. Twitter, Facebook, etc.
Twitter files revealed all of this activity
Deleting anything to do with the COVID
Deleting Trump postings regarding the 2020 race
Google and Facebook are still up to this in 2024

Constant attacks to disarm citizens. Second amendment and First amendment attacks.

Illegal immigration nightmare. Trying to get them to vote. Over 8 million illegal immigrants and the crime they are causing.
The Democrats want these immigrants to vote for them without being US citizens

Not to mention all the left wing crap like children can transgender, Puberty blockers, Porn content in the books in school libraries.
Jan 6 FBI plants in the crowds and stiring up hate before that on forums
Prosecuting political opponents
De funding the police nonsense
All the crap going on in dem cities, San Francisco, New York, Chicago,
Letting criminals and illegal immigrants go after they have been arrested
Anti Israel pro Hamas demonstrations
Shop lifting crimes are no longer a crimes
Letting convicted criminals go and not prosecuting the crimes they have committed.
The COVID cover up.
Biden nominees refusing to answer questions when called into congress

Now we have the complete failure of the Secret Service and possibly doing that on purpose.

Biden is not who is running the show. Obama and other Democrats are really in control.

The Democrat party is not the same party as my Dads party. They have become power hungry, socialist for the most part.
Hiring people based on race and sex and all this other DEI crap.

The list is longer than this and I will add to it.
Anyone who votes for the Dem party must be watching the main stream media that is not giving them all the info
I hope people wake up and vote to get rid of this current mess.

[shooter]

and I content the only way your "Dem-list" happens is with a pubic (we the people) so distracted and dumbed to numb that they are clueless to the "actual" world around them making it easy for corruption the take-over. 

[rake]

How about a viable Democrat challenger for president being denied Secret Service protection when his father and uncle, a sitting president, were both assassinated?
This is just my humble opinion but with a fair and honest media and a fair and honest primary election RFK jr. would be the nominee right now and not the installed party insider candidate Kamala Harris. Why? Because RFK jr. would not have been an Obama / Soros puppet. Voter ID, paper ballots & one day elections! If need be make election day a work holiday! What the American people should be asking is who is really pulling the strings?

Okay, can a couple of you young bucks help this gimpy old man down off of this damn soapbox? 

[johnnyreece]

With all due respect, as you say tubenit, the agency that writes your posted reports, sounds very politically sided

Is there something in the comparisons chart that you feel is biased?   If so, what is it?

Your comment wasn't addressed to me, and I'm not trying to put words in anyone's mouth, but I also see a pretty clear bias in this document.  For example, the "Freedom of Religion" part.  Party A says "A person can hold their beliefs in private or in their place of worship."  Party B says "A person can hold and live out their beliefs in their private and public life."  As a member of Party A, I believe I can safely say, pray all you want!  Christians, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Budhists...whatever.  I believe Party A just doesn't want to be forced to worship.  For example, I'm old enough that there was prayer in school when I was a child.  When a person of authority tells you to bow your head and pray, that's pretty awkward for a non-believer.  And, if it doesn't feel that way to you, imagine the person leading the prayer was Hindu, then reimagine your comfort level. 

Another one is Marriage.  Party A says marriage should be "redefined" to be between any sex.  I beg pardon, but I would argue that's always been the definition.  For example, Nero married a man, ceremony and all.  One might argue that it's actually Party B who wants to change the definition. 

For the record, I know that the very first item, "The Constitution", is meant to make Party A look bad, but a deeper dive makes Party B look silly.  I mean, if the Constitution were a "fixed charter", there would be no Bill of Rights (also known as the first 10 changes to the "fixed charter").

The "Freedom of Speech" one seems a little off, too.  Makes it sound like Party A can't take free speech and Party B says anything goes.  Which sounds cool, but it doesn't reflect real life.  For example, if someone kneels during the anthem or burns an American flag, which are both protected free speech, which party throws a fit?

Anyhow, I did a quick search and found, what appears to be, an unbiased document (granted, it's from 2012, but I'm just trying to show an example).  It's not nearly as expansive as this list, but it pulls from the actual party platforms.  Here goes:  https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/26/2014/10/PartiesCompared_vers.2.pdf

I'm sure there's something better out there.  If not, maybe I'll make up my own sometime!  Seems like there should be something out there that is comprehensive, and doesn't lean one way or another in its descriptions.  Shoot, maybe it would be kinda neat if we, as a forum, came up with one together?  There's a lot of intelligent people here, and I truly believe there's more that unites us than separates us. 

[tubenit]

Thanks for sharing another comparison chart.


With respect, Tubenit

[dude]

Tubenit, not going to get into, "who a person votes for and the reasons" on this forum, but johnnyreese gave a good answer to your question for me.  Like I said previously this is an amp forum not a place, IMO, to discuss political opinions.  Doug obviously has a strong opinion on the party that should lead this country and that fine.  Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and I respect that. These opinions posted in this part of the forum (Other Topics), seem to me to be all "talking points" by party leaders, opinions and not true facts. A lot of things RFK JR had said are conspiracy theory's, proven inaccurate like vaccinations cause autism, Sandy Hook shooting were staged, and many more crazy theories.   He seems to change his views faster than his underpants, I would not believe anything he says, so to say he is an asset for Trump is crazy.  Most all the opinions in this topic are totally Right leaning, not to say the Left is correct. Politicians will say almost anything to get elected, on both sides.  But Donald Trump lies like a rug, he caused Jan 6th, no doubt about it, I saw it on TV, heard his speech, he stole government documents from the white house when he left, the FBI did not try to execute him during the raid. He was given over a year to return the documents, he lied about them. His people were taped moving the document when he knew the FBI was was going to search for them. He should never be President again. I voted for Regan, Bush and yes Obama, I am an Independent like Doug but Harris or Mickey Mouse is better than Trump for President.
I read all these posts about how dangerous the Left is, I shut my mouth, figuring I'd be banded from this forum, never have a question answered but at this point I can't hold back. Any other Republican for President except Trump, I might vote for, I'll take the better of two evils. So thank you johnnyreese for answering for me.God Bless You All,Sincerely.Allan Lang

[Willabe]

Oh phooey. That's all wrong. Where are you getting your news from?

You talk about talking points, all of what you just wrote is what the propaganda the Dems and  press pushed as the story line. This is exactly what we've been talking about.

A very large portion of the press in this country is absolutely in bed with the Democratic party, have been for many years and function as the parties propaganda arm.

And they blanket the airwaves/internet/print and block out any other side of the story. They have been proven to have been doing this last election on FB and twitter. After Musk bought twitter he found what they were doing and released the information.

Your getting the phony news.

2 examples;

Biden, Dems and the media/press have been saying this for ~7 years. Biden used this to run on, he said when he heard Trump say this, he knew he had to run. And Biden said it in his speech at the DNC. And they've known it was false the whole time. 

It took Snopes almost 7 years to fact check this as false;

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

... he caused Jan 6th, no doubt about it, I saw it on TV, heard his speech,

I saw it on TV, heard the speech too, your wrong.

What the press/media did with this was they edited out, again, the part where Trump said peacefully and patriotically protest at Capitol. 

From Snopes;

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-peacefully-and-patriotically/

And your telling me Trump lies like a rug?

[Willabe]

The Dems and press have been saying and are still saying that Trump said he was going to be a dictator since this Hannity interview, it's a lie. And the press/media has not fact checked it so the Dems still say it. And they knew this was false too.
 
From Snopes;

     TRUMP: He says, "You're not gonna be a dictator, are you?" I said no, no, no … other than Day One. We're closing the border and we're drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I'm not a dictator, OK?

    HANNITY: Well, that … that … that sounds to me like you're going back to the policies … (Trump laughing) … when you were president.

    TRUMP: That's exactly …
 
Snopes;
"Trump's remarks, when viewed in their full context, came as he pointed and smiled at Hannity and clarified that his usage of the term "dictator" — which came from Hannity's own reading of reporting and remarks made in the news media — referred to two items: Trump's policies regarding the U.S.-Mexico border and the drilling of oil. "After that, I'm not a dictator, OK?," Trump said, laughing and then agreeing verbally just seconds later when Hannity said Trump was only referencing his own policy proposals."

It's long so I just posted the main thing. Here's the link to read it yourself; https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/01/24/trump-dictator-day-one/

[Platefire]

The deep divide in this country is Spiritual. True Bible believing Christians will vote for the lesser of two evils that they believe is closer to being right. If you don't have a relationship with Jesus or don't know the Bible, it's a good chance you want know which one is closer to being right. Our Nations moral laws were originally created right from the Bible.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath Light with darkness?

[shooter]

^^^^

[tubenit]

JohnnyReece and dude,


I'm somewhat puzzled to see you both criticizing the Comparison chart I posted as making Party A "looking bad".
And then you use Nero and his values as an example to argue in favor of Party A having the same value?

Neither of you seem to care for Trump ............    How do you feel about Nero's record on "human rights" and freedoms?

 


With respect, Tubenit

[johnnyreece]

JohnnyReece and dude,


I'm somewhat puzzled to see you both criticizing the Comparison chart I posted as making Party A "looking bad".
And then you use Nero and his values as an example to argue in favor of Party A having the same value?

Neither of you seem to care for Trump ............    How do you feel about Nero's record on "human rights" and freedoms?

 


With respect, Tubenit

I never hailed Nero as a hero (heh...it rhymes).  I simply stated that there's precedent for same-sex "marriage", therefore, the definition of "marriage" has historically included same-sex marriage.  I find it strange that the party who proclaims they represent freedom wants to withhold a freedom from another group.  Almost like, "Everyone is free to do what they choose, as long as they believe the same as me."  Please see my earlier reference to kneeling during the anthem and burning the American flag as further evidence towards this.   

You are correct about my dislike for Trump.  I could list the reasons, but I have a feeling it would be a waste of time typing for something that really isn't relevant.  As to your question on my view on Nero?  Anyone fiddling while their city burns is not okay in my book (kinda like a president who watches his supporters attack the capitol for hours before asking them to stop with the same energy as Willy Wonka telling Mike Teevee not to get in the WonkaVision machine).  Doesn't mean I don't think he shouldn't be able to marry another fella if he wanted. 

[shooter]

Anyone fiddling while their city burns is not okay in my book

how about looting the Treasury, $35 trillion is a lot of loot'n


Pretty sure we'll have Banjos playing this go around

I simply stated that there's precedent

all well n good, til a guvmint "forces" it's population to "participate" or be jailed, killed, et al

[johnnyreece]

Anyone fiddling while their city burns is not okay in my book

how about looting the Treasury, $35 trillion is a lot of loot'n


Pretty sure we'll have Banjos playing this go around

I simply stated that there's precedent

all well n good, til a guvmint "forces" it's population to "participate" or be jailed, killed, et al

I must be a little slow.  Would you mind elaborating on these points? 

[Willabe]

Anyone fiddling while their city burns is not okay in my book (kinda like a president who watches his supporters attack the capitol for hours before asking them to stop

Like Governor Tim Walz of Minnesota. He let Minneapolis burn for 3 full days with the Mayor begging him to send in the National Guard. They lost over 1050 buildings and business. 

It wasn't hours before Trump spoke to the rioters. Time line from;
1:49 p.m.: Trump tweets a video of his speech at the Ellipse, when he'd falsely claimed the election "stolen." DC Metropolitan Police at this time declare a riot at the Capitol. White House staff pleaded with Trump to make a strong public statement calling off the rioters.

2:38 p.m.: Trump tweets: "Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!"
3:13 p.m.: Trump tweets: "I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!"

Timeline: What Trump Was Doing As His Mob Attacked the Capitol on Jan. 6 - Business Insider
And the FBI knew things might go bad, they had information and never told them what they had and never told them to get extra police/Nation Guard before Jan. 6 to stop it from going bad.
 

[shooter]

Would you mind elaborating on these points?

then it would be wordy and nobody wants to read a lengthy post


"The last act of a corrupt guvmint is looting the Treasury"   Then Nero played ava-Maria 

[EL34]

The first act is censorship
The second act is disarming the people.

[rake]

I guess it makes a huge difference which side of the isle y'all are reading this BS from? 
Just my opinion but if you believe in cancelling anyone who doesn't think exactly like YOU,
I'm voting against your candidates. The cancellation of women in sports by allowing biological
males to pummel women is sinful. Riddle me this batman: Britney Griner claims to be the baby daddy.
Can we get some DNA testing? 

[shooter]

I guess it makes a huge difference which side of the isle y'all are reading this

a nation is bigger than politics, we as individuals should be free to be a baby-daddy, a saint or a sinner.
the problem is the nation was busy doing just that and not watching the barn, corruption got a foothold, greed, power took over, on BOTH sides.  and here we are.


so what do we do, point n blame.    this should be a no-brainer election;
option 1 stay a Constitutional republic as founded
option 2 join the world government with "Uniform" laws for "the world"


If you are unable to simplify it to those 2 options, no amount of reality will change a single mind.  When you make your choice, you WILL own the consequences of that choice.